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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #75 - Jun 30^th, 2012 at 9:09am

MOTR wrote on Jun 30^th, 2012 at 9:01am:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:34pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:32pm:

this is complete bulls1t. abbott is opposition not government. he has no right to block gillards policy and insist she use his. she is pm. her policy is the one that he needs to let pass to save lives.

The assumption here that abbotts policy should pass is wrong. Gillard is the government. Her policy should pass and abbott is blocking it. He is responsible fpor the deaths - all in the name of politics.

Of course imo the greens idea is the best but they arent the goernment either and also cant demand thier policy be adopted.

Howards policy was removed because it was inhumane. Reinstating it is more inhumane because now we know its inhumane. Malaysia is just as bad but the government has the call. Not abbott. He is just obstructing.

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Yeh yeh. If labor wanted to save lives like liberals do, then she would pass a policy that would save lives, has a track record of a raging success. She would not at this stage in the game, play experiments(malaysia policy) against peoples lives.

Pacific solution is called solution because it is.

malaysia policy is a policy, an experiment, not a solution.

Progs, why would interning people in Malaysia be less effective than interning people in Nauru.

Think outside the box.

If you were an Aseeker that wanted to go to malaysia, you would go to indonesia, then to Australia, then back to malaysia to have all the trappings(the goodies) that the Australian government puts on the 800 going to malaysia.

That is just one reason.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74647 Gender:	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #76 - Jun 30^th, 2012 at 9:11am VOTE 1 : 'Tony Abbot, the man who always put politics ahead of lives '
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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25972 Gender:	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #77 - Jun 30^th, 2012 at 10:12am John Smith wrote on Jun 30^th, 2012 at 9:11am: VOTE 1 : 'Tony Abbot, the man who always put politics ahead of lives ' That one sentence shows how ignorant, uneducated and biased you are.
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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #78 - Jun 30^th, 2012 at 11:45am The problem I can see on here is also about "the UN says we must do this" etc. As if complying with the UN is a must be done. I can tell you from personal experience the UN gets it wrong and you should not always listen to them f it does not suit your country security.
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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #79 - Jun 30^th, 2012 at 11:47am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 30^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

The problem I can see on here is also about "the UN says we must do this" etc.

As if complying with the UN is a must be done.

I can tell you from personal experience the UN gets it wrong and you should not always listen to them f it does not suit your country security.

And what gives a terrorist credibility in this matter?

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Reply #80 - Jun 30^th, 2012 at 11:54am

Wilkie introduced a bill to re-open Nauru. Why didn't Gillard go with it? She wants offshore processing, Nauru is offshore, has signed the UN convention, could be ready sooner than any other offshore location - but Gillard said no.

Why?

Because it would amount to admitting that scrapping it in the first place was wrong.
SO now she is slippin' and slidin' and blaming Abbott even though she is in coalition with the Greens, not Abbott. If she can't persuade her own coalition partners with whom she has control of the parliament, why is that Abbott's fault.

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #81 - Jun 30^th, 2012 at 1:15pm This thread is about Tony's hypocrisy, not Gillard's. When given the opportunity to stop the boats, Tony knocked it back for his own political advantage.
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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #82 - Jun 30^th, 2012 at 1:49pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30^th, 2012 at 10:12am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 30^th, 2012 at 9:11am:

VOTE 1 : 'Tony Abbot, the man who always put politics ahead of lives '

That one sentence shows how ignorant, uneducated and biased you are.

show me one major decision Abbott as made where he hasn't put politics first?

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #83 - Jun 30^th, 2012 at 2:44pm

MOTR wrote on Jun 30^th, 2012 at 1:15pm:

This thread is about Tony's hypocrisy, not Gillard's. When given the opportunity to stop the boats, Tony knocked it back for his own political advantage.

This thread is about Gillard's hypocrisy, not Abbott's. When given the opportunity to stop the boats, Gillard knocked it back for her own political advantage.

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Reply #84 - Jun 30^th, 2012 at 4:41pm

This thread is about Tony's hypocricy, Gillard did not go around the country moronically chanting stop the boats. When given the opportunity he shamelessly voted with the greens to continue onshore processing. Was he putting the welfare of asylum seekers above a mindless slogan or does he want to ensure the boats keep on coming for his own political advantage. It seems most of us realise he wants the boats to keep on coming.

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #85 - Jun 30^th, 2012 at 5:12pm But I read on here and I admit it's only since this year I read, but lots of you are crazy enough to also want these boats to come? There are things you can do to make it much more hard for these people and you don't want it??
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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #86 - Jun 30^th, 2012 at 5:16pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 30^th, 2012 at 5:12pm:

But I read on here and I admit it's only since this year I read, but lots of you are crazy enough to also want these boats to come?

There are things you can do to make it much more hard for these people and you don't want it??

Avram, I would tell you in yiddish if I thought it would help you understand (even though I don't know the language ...) we want them to come and you to go ....

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #87 - Jun 30^th, 2012 at 5:16pm "These people" spoken like a true racist.
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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #88 - Jun 30^th, 2012 at 5:22pm Tell me why you want people to come who offer you nothing and you have to pay for them? I must also add looking at what Australians are saying both who I know and in the media - no most Australians do not want them to come true? You must be in the minority.
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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #89 - Jun 30^th, 2012 at 5:24pm These people has nothing to do with race. I dont know what race they are, these people means boat people who turn up in Australia on boats with no visa and burn their ID papers to expect them to just be allowed in. Race is irrelevant.
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Question: Why has Abbott voted against stopping the boats.
Concern for asylum seekers 2 (8.3%) Political advantage 18 (75.0%) Other 4 (16.7%) Total votes: 24 « Created by: MOTR on: Jun 29^th, 2012 at 3:23am »