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Reply #45 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 8:18am

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 7:08pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 4:13pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 4:05pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 1:32pm:

Its pretty disgusting really. The media gives him this power. They interview him instead of the government whenever anything happens or they have any questions. They show his gob everywhere. We hear his mantra over and over "bad govt this bad govt that". And the fools are listening.

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Perhaps the media are just following the publics opinion??? More people are interested in what Abbott says that what Gillard says???

Lol sorry no thats not the reason. the media actively supports the liberal party for some reason. No idea how they chose since lib and lab about exactly the same. However thats the way it is so the legitimately elected govt doesn't get the airtime.
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im sure you believe that. Im sure you remember that howard banned the ALP from using the media sometime back when.

the media policy is made by the ppl in the positions to set the policy. the "slant" is set by the owner I expect. Rebeccah brooks got her orders from murdoch directly so i expect do the ones here. If you have been keeping up with the leveson enquiry you would know this. there is no law against it but imo there should be because the media has far too much power to manipulate the public. Before you start going off remember they can switch sides @ any time.

Lib and lab are the same though. Beats me how they decided which one to back haha.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49471 At my desk.	Re: Liberals actively encourage price increases. Reply #46 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 8:33am Most small businesses owners would have more sense than to put up those posters. If any do I will be boycotting them.
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Reply #47 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 9:01am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 8:18am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 7:08pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 4:13pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 4:05pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 1:32pm:

Its pretty disgusting really. The media gives him this power. They interview him instead of the government whenever anything happens or they have any questions. They show his gob everywhere. We hear his mantra over and over "bad govt this bad govt that". And the fools are listening.

SOB

Perhaps the media are just following the publics opinion??? More people are interested in what Abbott says that what Gillard says???

Lol sorry no thats not the reason. the media actively supports the liberal party for some reason. No idea how they chose since lib and lab about exactly the same. However thats the way it is so the legitimately elected govt doesn't get the airtime.
SOB

im sure you believe that. Im sure you remember that howard banned the ALP from using the media sometime back when.

the media policy is made by the ppl in the positions to set the policy. the "slant" is set by the owner I expect. Rebeccah brooks got her orders from murdoch directly so i expect do the ones here. If you have been keeping up with the leveson enquiry you would know this. there is no law against it but imo there should be because the media has far too much power to manipulate the public. Before you start going off remember they can switch sides @ any time.

Lib and lab are the same though. Beats me how they decided which one to back haha.

SOB

Perhaps the media are just following the publics opinion???

It has been much more the case that the media have been driving public opinion.

Sections of the media are deliberatly trying to drive ragime change.

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Reply #48 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 9:08am

News.com.au - Just from Today

Note you will not find anything positive to Labor or anything negative about the Liberals.

This is a policy driven outcome.

Julia Gillard in need is a Green friend indeed (Jemma Jones)

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/julia-gillard-in-need-is-a-green-f...

NSW Labor's massive broadside against the Greens has left Julia Gillard looking like a general who wasn't told the war had started.

Labors act cant hide the truth (Piers)

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/piers-akerman-labors-song-and-danc...

Week One of the toxic carbon dioxide tax and the only friends the government can find are those it has paid to come to the party and the Greens…..

It seems that Labor cannot face the truth about the caustic effects of the tax that is itself the subject of

the biggest lie ever told by an Australian politician

during an election campaign to the electorate.

Doomed government applies a full-court press out of spite:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/doomed-government-applies-a-full-c...

Fairfax CEO Greg Hywood declined to join the others, claiming News was responsible for creating a problem for the media industry in this country........

This is a government which is led by a capital "L" liar

(see carbon tax), which has lied about

Editorial

LIKE a bad marriage, the relationship between the Labor Party and the Greens has soured to the point of complete dysfunction.

Tax is one thing, rip-offs another

THE introduction of a carbon tax in Australia, as has been noted in many quarters, is problematic to say the least.

It brings an element of complexity and uncertainty into the economy at a time when it is already potentially fragile and there are no guarantees it will even deliver the environmental benefits it is designed to.

Paul Howes: Labor must turn on the Greens and destroy them

Hadley: Time to tell the people smugglers.

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Shane B Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1473 Canberra Gender:	Re: Liberals actively encourage price increases. Reply #49 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 9:18am Sounds likr they're following public opinion.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59372 Here Gender:	Re: Liberals actively encourage price increases. Reply #50 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 9:30am Shane B wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 9:18am: Sounds likr they're following public opinion. Yes but they used the crystal ball method and started first. The media drive clearly leads the opinion.
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: Liberals actively encourage price increases. Reply #51 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 9:30am Shane B wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 9:18am: Sounds likr they're following public opinion. You obviously havent been following. Read it all again. SOB
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Gist Gold Member Offline I am not a sock, I am a human being! Posts: 5476	Re: Liberals actively encourage price increases. Reply #52 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 9:42am Shane B wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 9:18am: Sounds likr they're following public opinion. FFS! You're slower than a wet week! Go back to page 1 of this discussion and read it all again.
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Reply #53 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 1:54pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 6:38pm:

... wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 6:29pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 6:23pm:

... wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 6:18pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 6:09pm:

... wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 6:06pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 5:45pm:

An interesting anticdote from yesterday in final cooments on insiders.

Tony went to the central coast wheelie bin manufacturer.
Complaining that his electricity bill will go up 185K.
He was asked by a reporter what his turnover was, answer 85million.
A point 0.217% rise.

Now how much will Tonys PPL put on his bottom line, a 1.5% levy, in other word 7.5 times as much.

Ahh but it's unlikely to say the least that electricity is his only expense. 0.217% rise on electricity, 0.217% rise on raw materials, 0.217% rise on fuel, 0.217% on distribution...it all adds up.

Well there's no CT on fuel for a start, so there's fuel and distribution out of the mix.
Raw materials, well I don't know, wheelie bins are made of plastic, can you enlighten me on what the possible ingredients would be subject to the CT.
And even if we ignore the fact that 2 of the 4 examples are not subject to CT we are still at under 1% .5% behind Tonys tax.

Just saying that comparing 0.217% with 1.5% is misleading.

How?
The guy was with Abbott complaing about electricity increases, nothing said about anything else.
His electrity is going up 0.217% of his turnover.
ANY business with a TURNOVER greater than 5mill will be subject to a 1.5% tax.

Whaddaya mean "how"?
Comparing an increase of 0.217% on his electricity bill alone, with 1.5% overall is comparing apples with oranges. Electricty obviously isn't going to be the only increase, so to adequately compare the 2 plans (both rubbish IMO) at least account for all relevant factors.

Well than you will have to tell us what the other factors may be.
The business owner only cited electricity, as far as I know wheelie bins are made by moulding plastic with heat(hence the electricity cost).
Do you think Tony would have highlighted electricity ONLY if he had other ancillaries to add as well?

I've already corrected your assumption that fuel is subject to the CT, do you think you might have been mislead on other things?

What you are insisting on, is that No other expenses are going to rise. You're relying on all of his suppliers not being affected by the tax at all.

What about the people who make the spare parts for his machinery? Pretty sure they use electricity too. Electricity thats going to rise in cost, and be passed on in price rises for the parts he needs to stay operating.

What about the people that make the resin he uses to mould the bins? What makes you sure that they don't use electricity, and so won't have increased costs to pass down the chain too?

And of course, whether one aspect is not "officially" affected or not, lets say fuel, doesn't guarantee that the company will not put in a sneaky price rise to attribute to the carbon tax anyway. Distribution companies have premises that require electricity too. So just because fuel isn't affected, doesn't mean the company isn't affected at all.

Far out - theres a lot more to it than just saying "hey 1.5% is a bigger number than 0.217%. case closed." Though that is just the the sort of superficial "analysis" whoever uttered the statement was relying on Joe Citizen to make.

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Reply #54 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 2:50pm

Shane B wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 12:44pm:

It's amazing how much power and influence Tony Abbott has. You'd be forgiven for mistaking him for PM - given so much he's apparently responsible for.

Didn't the woman on stage at the aboriginal rally in Canberra that turned into a near riot forcing Gillard and Abbott to flee refer to Abbott as PM? I'm sure she said "Prime Minister Abbott".

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Reply #55 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 3:09pm

Grey wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

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"Both RFG [Retail Food Group] and Brumby's Bakery system are apolitical organisations. We would ask that any franchisee who continues to display the placards referenced above immediately remove them from their business premises."

Last month, the Opposition sent posters to small businesses that appeared to suggest a link between price hikes and the carbon tax.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/brumbys-boss-quits-over-carbon-tax-...

If Abbott is for encouraging price rises while the Liberals are in opposition, what will they do for ordinary people when they have real power?

He's made clear this week that the Liberals stand for damaging therelationships with Indonesia. His racist anti-foreigner stance will further damage Australia's international standing, encouraging attacks on 'otherness' in Australia and damaging the economies third biggest income earner education. He will scrap carbon emissions trading scheme, bringing uncertainty to those looking at investing in Australia.

An Abbott led government will be disasterous to Australias short and long term prosperity and race relations within the community. He's a coward and dinosaur.

He's a coward and dinosaur.

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Reply #56 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 3:13pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 3:09pm:

Grey wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

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"Both RFG [Retail Food Group] and Brumby's Bakery system are apolitical organisations. We would ask that any franchisee who continues to display the placards referenced above immediately remove them from their business premises."

Last month, the Opposition sent posters to small businesses that appeared to suggest a link between price hikes and the carbon tax.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/brumbys-boss-quits-over-carbon-tax-...

If Abbott is for encouraging price rises while the Liberals are in opposition, what will they do for ordinary people when they have real power?

He's made clear this week that the Liberals stand for damaging therelationships with Indonesia. His racist anti-foreigner stance will further damage Australia's international standing, encouraging attacks on 'otherness' in Australia and damaging the economies third biggest income earner education. He will scrap carbon emissions trading scheme, bringing uncertainty to those looking at investing in Australia.

An Abbott led government will be disasterous to Australias short and long term prosperity and race relations within the community. He's a coward and dinosaur.

He's a coward and dinosaur.

The Chiknlitlabotasaurous

He is our dinosaur, now if he could just eat that bad egg Gillard.

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Reply #57 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 4:02pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 3:13pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 3:09pm:

Grey wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

Quote:

"Both RFG [Retail Food Group] and Brumby's Bakery system are apolitical organisations. We would ask that any franchisee who continues to display the placards referenced above immediately remove them from their business premises."

Last month, the Opposition sent posters to small businesses that appeared to suggest a link between price hikes and the carbon tax.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/brumbys-boss-quits-over-carbon-tax-...

If Abbott is for encouraging price rises while the Liberals are in opposition, what will they do for ordinary people when they have real power?

He's made clear this week that the Liberals stand for damaging therelationships with Indonesia. His racist anti-foreigner stance will further damage Australia's international standing, encouraging attacks on 'otherness' in Australia and damaging the economies third biggest income earner education. He will scrap carbon emissions trading scheme, bringing uncertainty to those looking at investing in Australia.

An Abbott led government will be disasterous to Australias short and long term prosperity and race relations within the community. He's a coward and dinosaur.

He's a coward and dinosaur.

The Chiknlitlabotasaurous

He is our dinosaur, now if he could just eat that bad egg Gillard.

kinky

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #58 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 4:16pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 4:02pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 3:13pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 3:09pm:

Grey wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

Quote:

"Both RFG [Retail Food Group] and Brumby's Bakery system are apolitical organisations. We would ask that any franchisee who continues to display the placards referenced above immediately remove them from their business premises."

Last month, the Opposition sent posters to small businesses that appeared to suggest a link between price hikes and the carbon tax.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/brumbys-boss-quits-over-carbon-tax-...

If Abbott is for encouraging price rises while the Liberals are in opposition, what will they do for ordinary people when they have real power?

He's made clear this week that the Liberals stand for damaging therelationships with Indonesia. His racist anti-foreigner stance will further damage Australia's international standing, encouraging attacks on 'otherness' in Australia and damaging the economies third biggest income earner education. He will scrap carbon emissions trading scheme, bringing uncertainty to those looking at investing in Australia.

An Abbott led government will be disasterous to Australias short and long term prosperity and race relations within the community. He's a coward and dinosaur.

He's a coward and dinosaur.

The Chiknlitlabotasaurous

He is our dinosaur, now if he could just eat that bad egg Gillard.

kinky

You would have to be a horny bugger to come to that conclusion Grin

steer clear of me Wink

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Reply #59 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 5:51pm

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Greg Earl Asia Pacific editor Darwin

Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono is pressing Australian companies to invest more in its domestic cattle industry as part of a plan to resolve the live cattle export tensions left over from last year, which simmered throughout this week’s annual leaders’ summit.

Dr Yudhoyono stepped up the pressure in three speeches during the summit in a clear warning that Indonesia will not accept a return to trade based mainly on Australian cattle exports after last year’s ban.

http://afr.com/p/national/indonesia_seeks_direct_beef_investment_BIzcJLTHEsZc8by...

Australian beef producers are in talks with Indonesia to change their laws, in order to give foreign investors greater security. They want to invest not only in Indonesian abbatoirs, but also in feed lots. Creating strong ties in the worlds biggest muslim nation will give greater access not only to Asia but also the entire Muslim world.

Abbotts 'like it or lump it' attitude to Indonesia is going to help how?

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