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Dnarever Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 58166 Here Gender:	Re: Asylum seekers, an argument too good not to post. Reply #135 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 6:30pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 6:26pm: No. But that doesn't answer the question. I'll ask again, for the third time, are you pro-Muslim? Is that relivant? Do you need to be pro any group in order to be anti discriminating against them?
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Reply #136 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 6:30pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 6:26pm:

Gist wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 5:51pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 4:02pm:

Gist wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 4:00pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 3:47pm:

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The "moslem" form is used - by anti-muslim racist pig sphincters like yadda.

Islam isn't a race. It can't be racist, then.

Are you pro-Muslim, Git?

Oh look! The sock guy has got the whole laundry basket out to play.

Correct, Islam is not a race. You score half a point for that stunning observation.

Are you pro-Muslim, Git?

I'm anti-racist pig sphincter. Is that a problem for you?

No. But that doesn't answer the question. I'll ask again, for the third time, are you pro-Muslim?

Well, OK, I could give another smart arse answer but just for you this once I'll give you the straight up answer - I'm neither pro nor anti Muslim. Frankly, I don't give a rats what they do or do not believe in.

Now your turn: Are you a racist pig sphincter?

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Reply #137 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 6:44pm

Gist wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 6:30pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 6:26pm:

Gist wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 5:51pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 4:02pm:

Gist wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 4:00pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 3:47pm:

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Git wrote
The "moslem" form is used - by anti-muslim racist pig sphincters like yadda.

Islam isn't a race. It can't be racist, then.

Are you pro-Muslim, Git?

Oh look! The sock guy has got the whole laundry basket out to play.

Correct, Islam is not a race. You score half a point for that stunning observation.

Are you pro-Muslim, Git?

I'm anti-racist pig sphincter. Is that a problem for you?

No. But that doesn't answer the question. I'll ask again, for the third time, are you pro-Muslim?

Well, OK, I could give another smart arse answer but just for you this once I'll give you the straight up answer - I'm neither pro nor anti Muslim. Frankly, I don't give a rats what they do or do not believe in.

Now your turn: Are you a racist pig sphincter?

It's very telling that a simple question devoid of any ad hominem sends you into a rage. I've hit a nerve here.

That aside, if you're neither anti or pro Muslim, then your position is one of indifference. Then why would you get angry at those who dislike Muslims?

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Reply #138 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 6:47pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 6:30pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 6:26pm:

No. But that doesn't answer the question. I'll ask again, for the third time, are you pro-Muslim?

Is that relivant? Do you need to be pro any group in order to be anti discriminating against them?

Well, you do to an extent. Multiculturalism tolerates or celebrates, depending on which way you look at it, different cultures. Therefore, you have to be pro-Muslim enough to allow it to exist. If you're indifferent, like our friend Git here has just confessed, then it shouldn't matter to him how they're viewed.

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Reply #139 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 6:50pm

tonegunman1 wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 6:20pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 5:21pm:

tonegunman1 wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 5:11pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:

tonegunman1 wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 12:58pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 12:42pm:

tonegunman1 wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 12:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 8:35am:

What an absolute load of Bollocks ..... you rednecks have no idea

Any refugee in Indonesia can NEVER get a job, Never own a home or business, they live in jails, slums or on the streets begging and stealing for enough food to survive .....the odd ones that do work, do so for cash money only and usually at a lessor rate than an Indonesian may get for the same job .....they have no rights ... this isn't living ... it's no way to raise a family or plan for a future ... I'd like to see any one of you morons settle for that .....

So these people smugglers obviously don't charge anything...so on your argument they're humanitarians giving a lift to refugees out of the goodness of their hearts...

It doesnt matter if they have any money if they cant get accommodation or food or a job Savings will go fast Besides i think most of them get the money form relatives already settled in other countries.

SOB

So Indonesia is happy to have them until the money runs out?

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Congratulations on being devoid of an argument or a point.

Congratulations for being a dick. So where exactly did i say anything about indonesia being happy to have them? Did you read the smacking thread?

Ok idiot. Baby talk.

Your point: ppl smugglers work for free and indonesia welcomes refugees

My point:
Refugees are not welcome in indonesia.
Refugees cannot get a job or home or go to school in indonesia
If they are caught refugees get locked up in indonesia
Sometimes refugees have relatives that can send them money so they can get out of indonesia

SOB

You send them money and a decent boat then kunt...

Rather than misrepresenting others.

I read your fn thread and like most of the shyte you seem to squeeze out is largely anecdotal, unsubstantiated, suppositions on your part and very short on any sort of substantiation.

You an ignorant twat...your mother said so...although it was a bit difficult to understand seeing as she had her mouth full and I was at the other end.

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Reply #140 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 6:54pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 6:47pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 6:30pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 6:26pm:

No. But that doesn't answer the question. I'll ask again, for the third time, are you pro-Muslim?

Is that relivant? Do you need to be pro any group in order to be anti discriminating against them?

Well, you do to an extent. Multiculturalism tolerates or celebrates, depending on which way you look at it, different cultures. Therefore, you have to be pro-Muslim enough to allow it to exist. If you're indifferent, like our friend Git here has just confessed, then it shouldn't matter to him how they're viewed.

At one time people in Australia expected anyone to get a fair go. This is irrespective of if you agree with them or not. You do not need to be pro anything in order to expect people who are to be treated in a reasonable manner.

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Reply #141 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 6:59pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 6:54pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 6:47pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 6:30pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 6:26pm:

No. But that doesn't answer the question. I'll ask again, for the third time, are you pro-Muslim?

Is that relivant? Do you need to be pro any group in order to be anti discriminating against them?

Well, you do to an extent. Multiculturalism tolerates or celebrates, depending on which way you look at it, different cultures. Therefore, you have to be pro-Muslim enough to allow it to exist. If you're indifferent, like our friend Git here has just confessed, then it shouldn't matter to him how they're viewed.

At one time people in Australia expected anyone to get a fair go. This is irrespective of if you agree with them or not. You do not need to be pro anything in order to expect people who are to be treated in a reasonable manner.

I don't agree. Treating people in a reasonable manner means you must be pro-human to some degree.

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Reply #142 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 7:02pm

Grey wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 8:30am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 8:24am:

Australia signed the refugee convention and agreed to grant asylum to genuine refugees.....Refugees are not recognised by Indonesia making it impossible for them to get a job or make a living in Indonesia.....The argument you put forward just proves how you have no idea what you are talking about as usual.....It is not illegal to seek sanctuary in any country who has signed the refugee convention and anyone who makes such claims is ignorant and stupid!!!

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SO why did thy travel to Indonesia and lie to the Indonesians about the purpose of the trip?

About the sanctuary - they o not want sanctuary in Australia, they want permanent settlement.

Normally, a refugee flees the troubles and waits in the nearest safe haven to be resettled in a country that wants him. Post-war refugees did not fly to Indonesia or Cuba and sailed for Australia or the US and then claim refuge. They fled to the US/UK/French occupation areas of Europe and asked for [protection and waited until one of the re-settling countries took them.
Big diff.

Yes the big diff being that they were processed in a month or two and settled into a job. Not imprisoned for years.

Really?

You should ring the BBC and correct them and their sources:

Poland and Slovakia pogroms broke out, in which Jews were killed. Over 100,000 Jews infiltrated to the western powers' occupation zones in Germany and Austria. Most sought permission to enter Palestine - but the British mandatory government there denied entry to all save a handful. They therefore remained stuck for years in so-called displaced persons' camps.

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Reply #143 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 7:04pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 6:44pm:

It's very telling that a simple question devoid of any ad hominem sends you into a rage. I've hit a nerve here.

That aside, if you're neither anti or pro Muslim, then your position is one of indifference. Then why would you get angry at those who dislike Muslims?

A rage? Hardly! Grin

Not even close on that one.

OK, just for you, sans any ad-hom so you'll feel warm and safe:

Pro or anti muslim does not equate to indifference. The issue is intolerance, not religion or race for that matter. I am intolerant of intolerance. That means I dislike people who dislike muslims. Is that clear enough for you?

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Reply #144 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 7:09pm

Gist wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 7:04pm:

The issue is intolerance, not religion or race for that matter. I am intolerant of intolerance. That means I dislike people who dislike muslims. Is that clear enough for you?

And I am intolerant of people who are intolerant of intolerance.

pfft...Intolerant of intolerance...WTF does that even mean? the sort of mindless self deception the weak among us use to justify their complete and utter compliance.

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Reply #145 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 7:09pm

tonegunman1 wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 6:50pm:

tonegunman1 wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 6:20pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 5:21pm:

tonegunman1 wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 5:11pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:

tonegunman1 wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 12:58pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 12:42pm:

tonegunman1 wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 12:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 8:35am:

What an absolute load of Bollocks ..... you rednecks have no idea

Any refugee in Indonesia can NEVER get a job, Never own a home or business, they live in jails, slums or on the streets begging and stealing for enough food to survive .....the odd ones that do work, do so for cash money only and usually at a lessor rate than an Indonesian may get for the same job .....they have no rights ... this isn't living ... it's no way to raise a family or plan for a future ... I'd like to see any one of you morons settle for that .....

So these people smugglers obviously don't charge anything...so on your argument they're humanitarians giving a lift to refugees out of the goodness of their hearts...

It doesnt matter if they have any money if they cant get accommodation or food or a job Savings will go fast Besides i think most of them get the money form relatives already settled in other countries.

SOB

So Indonesia is happy to have them until the money runs out?

http://freefunnypixs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/YouFailfish.jpg

SOB

Congratulations on being devoid of an argument or a point.

Congratulations for being a dick. So where exactly did i say anything about indonesia being happy to have them? Did you read the smacking thread?

Ok idiot. Baby talk.

Your point: ppl smugglers work for free and indonesia welcomes refugees

My point:
Refugees are not welcome in indonesia.
Refugees cannot get a job or home or go to school in indonesia
If they are caught refugees get locked up in indonesia
Sometimes refugees have relatives that can send them money so they can get out of indonesia

SOB

You send them money and a decent boat then kunt...

Rather than misrepresenting others.

I read your fn thread and like most of the shyte you seem to squeeze out is largely anecdotal, unsubstantiated, suppositions on your part and very short on any sort of substantiation.

You an ignorant twat...your mother said so...although it was a bit difficult to understand seeing as she had her mouth full and I was at the other end.

Wow! Not only going into a rage at yourself in public but also publicly admitting to being a mother fvcker at the same time! Way to go retard!

Did we get confused with our socks wesley?
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Reply #147 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 7:12pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 6:59pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 6:54pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 6:47pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 6:30pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 6:26pm:

No. But that doesn't answer the question. I'll ask again, for the third time, are you pro-Muslim?

Is that relivant? Do you need to be pro any group in order to be anti discriminating against them?

Well, you do to an extent. Multiculturalism tolerates or celebrates, depending on which way you look at it, different cultures. Therefore, you have to be pro-Muslim enough to allow it to exist. If you're indifferent, like our friend Git here has just confessed, then it shouldn't matter to him how they're viewed.

At one time people in Australia expected anyone to get a fair go. This is irrespective of if you agree with them or not. You do not need to be pro anything in order to expect people who are to be treated in a reasonable manner.

I don't agree. Treating people in a reasonable manner means you must be pro-human to some degree.

Anyone not pro-human would be a worry - though possibly a good coalition candidate to line up with the rest of them!

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Reply #148 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 7:15pm

Gist wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 7:04pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 6:44pm:

It's very telling that a simple question devoid of any ad hominem sends you into a rage. I've hit a nerve here.

That aside, if you're neither anti or pro Muslim, then your position is one of indifference. Then why would you get angry at those who dislike Muslims?

A rage? Hardly! Grin

Not even close on that one.

OK, just for you, sans any ad-hom so you'll feel warm and safe:

Pro or anti muslim does not equate to indifference. The issue is intolerance, not religion or race for that matter. I am intolerant of intolerance. That means I dislike people who dislike muslims. Is that clear enough for you?

Your 'intolerance of intolerance' doesn't really work. Otherwise, you'd be intolerant of your own intolerance toward me. So we are back to square one: If you're defending them you must be doing so on some grounds. Hence, there must be something about them that's worth defending.

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