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Gist Gold Member Offline I am not a sock, I am a human being! Posts: 5476	Re: Asylum seekers, an argument too good not to post. Reply #210 - Jul 16^th, 2012 at 8:22am Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 15^th, 2012 at 8:10pm: My grandparentage is Czech Republic and Poland. I am not Arab. No? Then you are not jewish.
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Reply #211 - Jul 16^th, 2012 at 8:23am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 15^th, 2012 at 8:35pm:

Gist wrote on Jul 15^th, 2012 at 7:07pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 15^th, 2012 at 12:50pm:

Your 'third alternative' - intolerant of intolerance - was shown to be a contradiction in terms. You have been, are still are, highly intolerant toward those who don't agree with you.

Me? Intolerant? Poor pet... we mustn't show intolerance towards you must we?

So why can't I pick and choose? Are you intolerant of Christians or only Muslims? Why aren't you intolerant of white anglo saxons? After all, they are just as likely to be arseholes as any Afghan or Saudi. Why not hate your neighbours? Your family?

No... you choose Muslim. I choose you. Suck it up.

You've changed your position again. You've gone from 'intolerant toward intolerance' to 'why can't I pick and choose.'

No I haven't.

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Reply #212 - Jul 16^th, 2012 at 8:11pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 8:35am:

What an absolute load of Bollocks ..... you rednecks have no idea

Any refugee in Indonesia can NEVER get a job, Never own a home or business, they live in jails, slums or on the streets begging and stealing for enough food to survive .....the odd ones that do work, do so for cash money only and usually at a lessor rate than an Indonesian may get for the same job .....they have no rights ... this isn't living ... it's no way to raise a family or plan for a future ... I'd like to see any one of you morons settle for that .....

Pass me a hanky will you, I'm crying. Cry

Move to Mexico, Japan or a dozen other countries on the planet and you'll find the same for all foreigners.
What's your point.
Do you have one?
Either way, these economic migrants are diddling real refugees in camps overseas from having the opportunity the settle in Australia.
These economic migrants can fly anywhere on the planet if they choose.
Wake up.

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Asylum seekers, an argument too good not to post. Reply #213 - Jul 16^th, 2012 at 8:17pm Gist wrote on Jul 16^th, 2012 at 8:22am: Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 15^th, 2012 at 8:10pm: My grandparentage is Czech Republic and Poland. I am not Arab. No? Then you are not jewish. 1) Yes i am 2) I am not a Arab. End of the discussion.
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Reply #214 - Jul 16^th, 2012 at 9:04pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 16^th, 2012 at 8:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 8:35am:

What an absolute load of Bollocks ..... you rednecks have no idea

Any refugee in Indonesia can NEVER get a job, Never own a home or business, they live in jails, slums or on the streets begging and stealing for enough food to survive .....the odd ones that do work, do so for cash money only and usually at a lessor rate than an Indonesian may get for the same job .....they have no rights ... this isn't living ... it's no way to raise a family or plan for a future ... I'd like to see any one of you morons settle for that .....

Pass me a hanky will you, I'm crying. Cry

Move to Mexico, Japan or a dozen other countries on the planet and you'll find the same for all foreigners.
What's your point.
Do you have one?
Either way, these economic migrants are diddling real refugees in camps overseas from having the opportunity the settle in Australia.
These economic migrants can fly anywhere on the planet if they choose.
Wake up.

only a moron cannot see the point .... pull your head out of your arse for a second and think about it, and it may hit you .... (I'm doubtful, but I'm an eternal optimist)

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Reply #215 - Jul 16^th, 2012 at 9:04pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 16^th, 2012 at 8:17pm:

Gist wrote on Jul 16^th, 2012 at 8:22am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 15^th, 2012 at 8:10pm:

My grandparentage is Czech Republic and Poland.

I am not Arab.

No? Then you are not jewish.

1) Yes i am
2) I am not a Arab.

End of the discussion.

He's not Arab ...Arab are decent people ....

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #216 - Jul 16^th, 2012 at 9:47pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 16^th, 2012 at 8:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 8:35am:

What an absolute load of Bollocks ..... you rednecks have no idea

Any refugee in Indonesia can NEVER get a job, Never own a home or business, they live in jails, slums or on the streets begging and stealing for enough food to survive .....the odd ones that do work, do so for cash money only and usually at a lessor rate than an Indonesian may get for the same job .....they have no rights ... this isn't living ... it's no way to raise a family or plan for a future ... I'd like to see any one of you morons settle for that .....

Pass me a hanky will you, I'm crying. Cry

Move to Mexico, Japan or a dozen other countries on the planet and you'll find the same for all foreigners.
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Bullshit.

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darkhall67 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1935	Re: Asylum seekers, an argument too good not to post. Reply #217 - Jul 16^th, 2012 at 9:49pm This "argument" that is "too good" comes from someone who thinks "It's in the bible" is a good argument.
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Reply #218 - Jul 16^th, 2012 at 9:51pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 16^th, 2012 at 9:04pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 16^th, 2012 at 8:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 8:35am:

What an absolute load of Bollocks ..... you rednecks have no idea

Any refugee in Indonesia can NEVER get a job, Never own a home or business, they live in jails, slums or on the streets begging and stealing for enough food to survive .....the odd ones that do work, do so for cash money only and usually at a lessor rate than an Indonesian may get for the same job .....they have no rights ... this isn't living ... it's no way to raise a family or plan for a future ... I'd like to see any one of you morons settle for that .....

Pass me a hanky will you, I'm crying. Cry

Move to Mexico, Japan or a dozen other countries on the planet and you'll find the same for all foreigners.
What's your point.
Do you have one?
Either way, these economic migrants are diddling real refugees in camps overseas from having the opportunity the settle in Australia.
These economic migrants can fly anywhere on the planet if they choose.
Wake up.

only a moron cannot see the point .... pull your head out of your arse for a second and think about it, and it may hit you .... (I'm doubtful, but I'm an eternal optimist)

These cashed up economic migrants mascarading as refugees are displacing all the refugees in camps who cannot self-select buy paying people smugglers.

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ABDIKADIR Omar's dream of bringing his wife Aisha and their three young sons to Australia is turning to dust inside the world's largest and most dangerous refugee camp.

His hopes, and those of a generation of displaced people in camps around the world, are being crushed by a gross distortion in Australia's humanitarian program, caused by the flood of asylum-seeker boats. People such as Mr Omar in Kenya's giant Dadaab camp do not have the money or access to people-smugglers and their boats. He has no choice but to apply through proper channels for the fast-shrinking number of humanitarian places being offered to those who do not arrive in Australia by boat.

"I thought about going somewhere to catch a boat (to Australia) because I have been waiting so long to go there," Mr Omar told The Weekend Australian from the Dadaab camp yesterday. "But I have no money and going by boat is illegal and dangerous. So I worry I have no hope of ever getting my family to Australia."

Instead, Mr Omar and his family are forced to live in desperate conditions in the 465,000-person camp, which Medecins Sans Frontieres says is rife with "bomb attacks and assassinations" and where women live under constant threat of attack and rape.

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Reply #219 - Jul 17^th, 2012 at 12:37am

this is not an easy situation to solve .... in truth i believe it is UNsolvable... there is not enough compassion and care left in this whole world to succour the starving and the dispossessed.

THIS is UNDENIABLE. We are now basically warring camps.. the HAVES and the HAVENOTS.
True this has been so for many ..in past times. NOW WE get to experience some of what much of the rest of the world has been dealing with in one way or another, for centuries.
But now the BAR has risen... we swarm on the earth... we face an ever increasing demand for resources which are jealously guarded by those more fortunate.

the millions of dispossessed around the world are human, just like you and I. The fact that we have been fortunate enough to have escaped the worst of human desperation doesn't mean we own it.
For the Christians... the Lord helps those who help themselves.

Human nature demands that the most desperate circumstances demand the most desperate actions.... and yet we sit here in our comfy rooms, and denigrate , deride and condemn these fellow humans. Fate, or circumstance, means that some are doomed to be prisoners and homeless till they die. While others gamble their lives and win. How can you condemn them, when many of you would do the exact same thing in similar straits. !!

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Reply #220 - Jul 17^th, 2012 at 1:53am

John Smith wrote on Jul 16^th, 2012 at 9:04pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 16^th, 2012 at 8:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 8:35am:

What an absolute load of Bollocks ..... you rednecks have no idea

Any refugee in Indonesia can NEVER get a job, Never own a home or business, they live in jails, slums or on the streets begging and stealing for enough food to survive .....the odd ones that do work, do so for cash money only and usually at a lessor rate than an Indonesian may get for the same job .....they have no rights ... this isn't living ... it's no way to raise a family or plan for a future ... I'd like to see any one of you morons settle for that .....

Pass me a hanky will you, I'm crying. Cry

Move to Mexico, Japan or a dozen other countries on the planet and you'll find the same for all foreigners.
What's your point.
Do you have one?
Either way, these economic migrants are diddling real refugees in camps overseas from having the opportunity the settle in Australia.
These economic migrants can fly anywhere on the planet if they choose.
Wake up.

only a moron cannot see the point .... pull your head out of your arse for a second and think about it, and it may hit you .... (I'm doubtful, but I'm an eternal optimist)

John Smith,

So excluding all of the abuse in your post, ......YOUR ARGUMENT IS, WHAT ?

That REAL refugees trapped inside refugees camps, have got to 'get in line',
.....behind those 'poor' moslem refugees in Indonesia, who have demonstrated that they have the financial means, to travel half way around the planet, and then, still have the financial means to pay another US$6,000-US$10,000 to a people smuggler, to get onto a boat to Australia ?

Dictionary;
smuggle = =
1 move (goods) illegally into or out of a country.
2 convey secretly and illicitly.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #221 - Jul 17^th, 2012 at 1:59am

John Smith wrote on Jul 16^th, 2012 at 9:04pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 16^th, 2012 at 8:17pm:

Gist wrote on Jul 16^th, 2012 at 8:22am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 15^th, 2012 at 8:10pm:

My grandparentage is Czech Republic and Poland.

I am not Arab.

No? Then you are not jewish.

1) Yes i am
2) I am not a Arab.

End of the discussion.

He's not Arab ...

Arab are decent people ....

......if you are the example.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21612 A cat with a view	Re: Asylum seekers, an argument too good not to post. Reply #222 - Jul 17^th, 2012 at 2:03am darkhall67 wrote on Jul 16^th, 2012 at 9:49pm: This "argument" that is "too good" comes from someone who thinks "It's in the bible" is a good argument. Well what are you ! ? An infidel ? Yup.
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Reply #223 - Jul 17^th, 2012 at 2:32am

well excuse you Yadda....
religion rears its UGLY head yet again

infidel shmimfidel ...who gives a sweet FA about that.. really..... only the nutters of the world.
and so sad... the world is full of you and yours..... oh wouldnt it be a better place by far if you just weren't around to fester and foster the hatred and resultant violence of religious frikkin dogma.

YES - it would be a MUCH BETTER PLACE.

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Reply #224 - Jul 17^th, 2012 at 2:36am

Emma wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 12:37am:

this is not an easy situation to solve .... in truth i believe it is UNsolvable... there is not enough compassion and care left in this whole world to succour the starving and the dispossessed.

All problems arise, and are caused, by people choosing to do what is wrong.

Most problems are solvable.

This one is too.

But we do not have the wisdom, or, the will, to solve our problems.

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THIS is UNDENIABLE. We are now basically warring camps.. the HAVES and the HAVENOTS.
True this has been so for many ..in past times. NOW WE get to experience some of what much of the rest of the world has been dealing with in one way or another, for centuries.
But now the BAR has risen... we swarm on the earth... we face an ever increasing demand for resources which are jealously guarded by those more fortunate.

This world is full of, wickedness.

HAVES and HAVENOTS ?

There are some sheep, but most are wolves.

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the millions of dispossessed around the world are human, just like you and I. The fact that we have been fortunate enough to have escaped the worst of human desperation doesn't mean we own it.
For the Christians... the Lord helps those who help themselves.

No.

HE DOES NOT!

Isaiah 59:1
Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.
4 None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.

Isaiah 1:21
How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.
22 Thy silver is become dross, thy wine mixed with water:
23 Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them.
24 Therefore saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts, the mighty One of Israel, Ah, I will ease me of mine adversaries, and avenge me of mine enemies:

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Human nature demands that the most desperate circumstances demand the most desperate actions....

Thus creating the circumstances for yet more 'problems', looking for a 'solution'.

People who solve problems, solve problems, for themselves, and for others, through personal sacrifice.

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and yet we sit here in our comfy rooms, and denigrate , deride and condemn these fellow humans. Fate, or circumstance, means that some are doomed to be prisoners and homeless till they die. While others gamble their lives and win. How can you condemn them, when many of you would do the exact same thing in similar straits. !!

We are all prisoners.

And we are all, strangers in a strange land.

But not all of us are, or choose to be, criminals.

Not all of us choose to commit and justify our criminal acts, by pleading our poverty.

The poor man, can choose, not to be a criminal.

Romans 13:13
Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.

1 Corinthians 1:26
For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

Luke 18:24
And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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