So Soren Have you thought about what I have said??

I don't think you want to hear things like that eh?

Much rather follow the mob of populism. Which ever swing of the pendulum you choose.

Was thinking about Fahrenheit 451 last night... how desperately those powers that were.. sought to deny truth and history by burning all those books.


Vonnegut had a grip on a real idea ... and yet now technology has made the premise redundant.

Today ...we are much more malleable... much  shorter in concentration and lacking knowledge of our past.  But we have access to knowledge like never before in human history.
The problem???  Most of us are too ignorant to take advantage.

Truth is a philosophy, not a reality.

There are many people who pretend to be refugees and are not refugees at all.

The purpose of the policy that Australia must have is to keep this people out.

Stop boats from coming to your country and stop allowing them to come in and make fun of your system.

To do that you must be strong.

Emma wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 10:52pm:

Not helpful at all, I'm afraid.
You said that the 'pragmatist' solution is not available since Indonesia will not do as Sri Lanka. SO that solution is not available.


SO what is your actual solution, then?

Concentrate on Indonesia.
Request, require, INSIST,,, that Indonesia watches its borders much more carefully.  INSIST.
And back it with naval ships along the 'trade route'  at their borders.

They are the enablers.  IS that CLEARER.  ??

Not perhaps a very diplomatic approach  -- BUT ..  its the only real approach to take.

IF however our current government is as ineffective as previous successive governments in the face of Indonesian opposition, ...as it has been since before the invasion of New Guinea by the Indonesians.. then we just have to swallow it. Don't we.?   Or effectively order the deaths of innocents. 


Take these poor people in, and make them Australians.  Else lose everything we consider important... in the nearing future.

Forget the furphy's.... Nauru / Malaysia. Lot of BS.
Red herrings....  distractions from the real game.

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 10:59pm:



Correct.
You have to make some strong decisions.

In Israel we make the decision to ignore the UN Convention and not process any refugees at the border who come through neutral countries.

The UN is not the overall law on this.

Aussies need to understand this.
You do not have to do anything because the UN says.

Emma wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 11:22pm:

Then again you could just be preaching self serving tripe on behalf of Big business and the financial benefit of a separatist minority shadow economy or you could be some outsider altogether seeking territorial and economic advantage from Australia....either way you did not make a point.

It seems to me that the only ones who benefit from open national borders and undermined social security are greedy exclusive corporations who greedily preserve their own separatist shadow collective economic borders and demand freedom for themselves that they seek to deny other citizens.  Lets remember those who seek to deny us our economic borders and security, robbed us  of our national assets, resources and infrastructure through privatization and robbed us of our Government.
Greed is at the heart of those who seek open borders, because while they seek to dissolve our economic borders, they raise their own corporate economic borders - as separate self Governing economies yes we... have your number jalane, so willing to fight against the rights to economic & border security of all, so that corporate collectives as shadow self governing entities can hoard more for themselves.  And this motive is self evident and miserable.