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Reply #15 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 8:44am

John Smith wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 8:35am:

What an absolute load of Bollocks ..... you rednecks have no idea

Any refugee in Indonesia can NEVER get a job, Never own a home or business, they live in jails, slums or on the streets begging and stealing for enough food to survive .....the odd ones that do work, do so for cash money only and usually at a lessor rate than an Indonesian may get for the same job .....they have no rights ... this isn't living ... it's no way to raise a family or plan for a future ... I'd like to see any one of you morons settle for that .....

Then they should make an application to come to Australia. They are atleast safe for now. They could also go back to their country of origin.

UN want open borders, same as Soreass. Isnt going to happen.

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Reply #16 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 8:57am

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 8:44am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 8:35am:

What an absolute load of Bollocks ..... you rednecks have no idea

Any refugee in Indonesia can NEVER get a job, Never own a home or business, they live in jails, slums or on the streets begging and stealing for enough food to survive .....the odd ones that do work, do so for cash money only and usually at a lessor rate than an Indonesian may get for the same job .....they have no rights ... this isn't living ... it's no way to raise a family or plan for a future ... I'd like to see any one of you morons settle for that .....

Then they should make an application to come to Australia. They are atleast safe for now. They could also go back to their country of origin.

UN want open borders, same as Soreass. Isnt going to happen.

many of them have already made applications and been in limbo for 2 or 3 years , some refugees wait 8 or 9 yrs for 'applications' to go through ... I don't blame anyone for wanting a future for their families ... the way things are in Indonesia, there is no future ...just a constant state of limbo ... never knowing when they'll be arrested, if they'll be deported or worse ..

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Reply #17 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 9:03am

Shane B wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 8:23am:

Well they're getting in to Indonesia. Why aren't they fettuing turned away at the airport?

They then stay in Jakarta or wherever, sometimes for a couple of years or more until they can get on a boat. There doesn't seem to be too many getting locked up.

It is a corrupt trade, and the 4 Corners report speculated that kick backs from people smuggling are reaching very senior government officials. They have an incentive to turn a blind eye.

Well I have to ask where you are getting your information that not too many are getting locked up because all three of those articles say that they are

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Reply #18 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 9:05am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 9:03am:

Shane B wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 8:23am:

Well they're getting in to Indonesia. Why aren't they fettuing turned away at the airport?

They then stay in Jakarta or wherever, sometimes for a couple of years or more until they can get on a boat. There doesn't seem to be too many getting locked up.

It is a corrupt trade, and the 4 Corners report speculated that kick backs from people smuggling are reaching very senior government officials. They have an incentive to turn a blind eye.

Well I have to ask where you are getting your information that not too many are getting locked up because all three of those articles say that they are

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The liberal party policy booklet on the other thread perhaps?

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Asylum seekers, an argument too good not to post. Reply #19 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 9:29am Yadda wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 1:15am: Yadda wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 12:43am: Let me guess, you are a moslem ? Gist, You are either, a Mohammedan, OR, you are 13 years old. Right ? hey watch it! I know quite a few 13 yr olds and they have a much better vocabulary than this one..
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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Asylum seekers, an argument too good not to post. Reply #20 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 9:32am I guess the Imam on Christmas Island where there are 300 muslims in residence.. claims even his followers doubt these are true asylum seekers.. is also a redneck...of course he is anyone that say different to a lefty is most definitely a redneck.. CHEERS ALL REDNECKS.
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Reply #21 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 9:34am

John Smith wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 8:35am:

What an absolute load of Bollocks ..... you rednecks have no idea

Any refugee in Indonesia can NEVER get a job, Never own a home or business, they live in jails, slums or on the streets begging and stealing for enough food to survive .....the odd ones that do work, do so for cash money only and usually at a lessor rate than an Indonesian may get for the same job .....they have no rights ... this isn't living ... it's no way to raise a family or plan for a future ... I'd like to see any one of you morons settle for that .....

So WTF do they travel to Indonesia? Why not buy a ticket to a country that has signed the Refugee Convention (in green)??

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Reply #22 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 9:44am

John Smith wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 8:35am:

What an absolute load of Bollocks ..... you rednecks have no idea

Any refugee in Indonesia can NEVER get a job, Never own a home or business, they live in jails, slums or on the streets begging and stealing for enough food to survive .....the odd ones that do work, do so for cash money only and usually at a lessor rate than an Indonesian may get for the same job .....they have no rights ... this isn't living ... it's no way to raise a family or plan for a future ... I'd like to see any one of you morons settle for that .....

That's their problem - they choose to stop there.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26500 Australia	Re: Asylum seekers, an argument too good not to post. Reply #23 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 9:57am Why not choose where they go? They are desperate and need to find a new country. Why not choose which one? Its not like many of them overall choose australia either. SOB
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Reply #24 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 10:00am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 9:57am:

Why not choose where they go? They are desperate and need to find a new country. Why not choose which one? Its not like many of them overall choose australia either.

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Because it's not supposed to be about 'choice'.....it's supposed to be about survival.....

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Shane B Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1473 Canberra Gender:	Re: Asylum seekers, an argument too good not to post. Reply #25 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 10:04am Well if they've got the cash to pay a people smuggler US$10,000 or more they can't be too destitute. That type of money buys a lot in Indonesia.
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Reply #26 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 10:22am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 9:57am:

Why not choose where they go? They are desperate and need to find a new country. Why not choose which one? Its not like many of them overall choose australia either.

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Turkey. Azerbaijan. Turkmenistan.
Signed the Refugee Convention. Tick.
Majority Muslim. Tick.
Walkable. No need for airfares nd to pay smugglers. Tick.

Egypt. Tajikistan. Kyrgisistan. Kazakhstan.
Signed the Refugee Convention. Tick.
Majority Muslim. Tick.
Cheap, short flights. No need for intercontinental airfares and to pay smugglers. Tick.

So why don't they go to these places, on their door steps?

They could have asylum in any one of these countries, all good and faithful signatories to the all-important Refugee Convention.

Because they are not refugees. They are migrants. And who wants to migrate to these places?i

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Reply #27 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 10:26am

Shane B wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 10:04am:

Well if they've got the cash to pay a people smuggler US$10,000 or more they can't be too destitute. That type of money buys a lot in Indonesia.

Because its not about money.

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Because it's not supposed to be about 'choice'.....it's supposed to be about survival.....

So? If they can choose why shouldn't they?

Maybe they dont want to be under extremist muslim rule Maybe thats what they are fleeing from.

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Reply #28 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 10:28am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 10:00am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 9:57am:

Why not choose where they go? They are desperate and need to find a new country. Why not choose which one? Its not like many of them overall choose australia either.

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Because it's not supposed to be about 'choice'.....it's supposed to be about survival.....

well , the world is full of things that aren't as they are supposed to be ... a person isn't supposed to killed for differing religious or political beliefs , but it happens ....

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Reply #29 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 10:29am

John Smith wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 8:35am:

What an absolute load of Bollocks ..... you rednecks have no idea

Any refugee in Indonesia can NEVER get a job, Never own a home or business, they live in jails, slums or on the streets begging and stealing for enough food to survive .....the odd ones that do work, do so for cash money only and usually at a lessor rate than an Indonesian may get for the same job .....they have no rights ... this isn't living ... it's no way to raise a family or plan for a future ... I'd like to see any one of you morons settle for that .....

So? They don't get jobs here either. Why would they, when they can fleece the infidels instead?

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