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Reply #315 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 11:36pm

Emma wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 11:28pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 11:07pm:

Emma wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 11:10pm:

Concentrate on Indonesia.

Request, require, INSIST,,,

that Indonesia watches its borders much more carefully. INSIST.
And back it with naval ships along the 'trade route' at their borders.

They are the enablers. IS that CLEARER. ??

Not perhaps a very diplomatic approach -- BUT .. its the only real approach to take.

That 'solution' is not practical.

We cannot [and we should not] force Indonesia to do anything.

The problem is ours, the solution [if WE want a solution] must also be ours.

So, what can WE do, to discourage, or stop the boats these illegal immigrants ???

Duh ?

OK OK OK
I have spent too much time at this keyboard explaining, much earlier in the debate,, maybe even on Yahoo,, what my preferred solution is . I was called, in effect a Nazi.
No probs there, I know what I mean.. and it is hard for me to re iterate my view, as such a world-wide problem DOES NOT HAVE a one sentence answer.!!!

For now...... ' how would i discourage or stop the boats' is a ridiculous preposition. I would not choose to take such retrograde negative actions. Simple.

I would .... resettle these people in a place in Australia, purpose-built, with positve intent, so that they have dignity and ultimately self-determinism, and opportunities to work, achieve and become solid citizens, whilst contributing significantly to all our futures.

We have a huge country, with massive resources, .. but apparently not enough people to max this.
The solution is staring us in the face.

I 've had enough of this for now.

Clearly, you still don't understand the problem, and have not thought this through.

But then, you are convinced that truth is not a reality, too, .....right ?

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Reply #316 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 12:55am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 2:04pm:

I have an idea. How about we do a ppl swap and swap all the ppl that want to leave australia because they dont like all the muslims and the carbon tax for refugees who actually want to be here?

SOB

Hmmm!

Lets think about this.....

So, your solution to illegal immigration [by moslems] into Australia is, to make me [and those like me, who believe that moslems do not deserve to live in a country like Australia] leave Australia.

And we [who despise ISLAM] should go and live in a moslem country ???

More erudite logic from SPOT.
/sarc off

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Hey, SPOT, the genius......

Q #1.
And why do [moslem] 'refugees.....actually want to be here' [in Australia] ?

A.
Could it be [if we accept the explanation of moslem refugees], that moslems don't actually want to live in moslem countries ?

Q #2.
And why is it, that moslems DO NOT want to live in moslem countries ?

A.
Could the reason be, .....because, in moslem countries, there are lots, and lots, of, .......moslems ???

Q #3.
And what is so unappealing about living in close proximity with lots of fellow moslems ???

A.
Is it because moslems [who choose to embrace a form of 'organised' megalomania, and insanity!!!], believe that they, moslems, have the right to murder people, who do not believe, as they believe ???

The Hadith,

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

Dictionary;

megalomania = = obsession with the exercise of power. delusion about one’s own power or importance (typically as a symptom of manic or paranoid disorder).

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The truth is that ISLAM is a deceptive and violent, political philosophy, a cult, which [imo] creates a mental pathology, in those human beings who choose to embrace it.

That mental pathology which afflicts all 'good' moslems, is so all encompassing, that all moslems will deny any accountability for the consequences of their own choices.

And moslems always place all of the blame, for the consequences of moslem violence against non-moslems, upon the victims [of moslem violence]. [e.g. the Jews, and Israel]

Moslems always reject all accountability, for the consequences of THEIR OWN INTENTIONS, AND THEIR OWN ACTIONS IN THE WORLD.

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Reply #317 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 1:23am

well like I've said already Yadda Roll Eyes

Do you actually understand.?
You keep raising the truly ugly spectre of religious dominance of the world.... whatever the religion, but obviously not ISLAMIST faith. You choose to do so. That is OLD ...PAST ITS USE BY DATE. comprende?/

All of these human rights - type questions/problems, including refugees..... can only be dealt with properly, on a secular basis. To drag religious dogma in guarantees unbalanced prejudicial behaviour... Guaranteed.
You say Moslems run away from Moslems of a different sect, else they'll be killed. Religious dogma.!!! It is creating this problem..!!

Are you truly blind???
to commonsense.??? Sad

To approach these social issues from a religious basis is an approach doomed to failure. Repetitious failure.
Let us actually learn from our past.!!

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Asylum seekers, an argument too good not to post. Reply #318 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 1:25am Oh ?? and did you hear that 'news' bite today? that the Indonesian MILITARY are directly involved in people-smuggling. And wonder of wonders.!!! 5 people in the Indonesian Military have been arrested. So they say. Can you believe it.????
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Reply #319 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 5:49am

OMG Thats hilarious! Even the trolls knew i was joking but not yadda. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Seriously yadda isnt your religion supposed to be of tolerance and being nice to your neighbour and stuff? Yet you dont want to help refugees because they might be a different religion to you? Hmmmmm . . . . sounds a lil familiar . . . .

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Reply #320 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 9:16am

plenty of work in NW western australia.
give them all temporary protection visas and put them to work in one of gina's mines.
or they can go chase down the feral camels destroying central australia and start a new export industry .

if after a period on work probation they seem like good blokes, no problems, they can stay.

if they want to spend their day on a mat facing mecca and dont want to contribute to their new country, bye bye.

we can always use more good workers. for each one we keep, we can send a sarah hansen young type back to afghanistan where she can cry crocodile tears and water the desert.

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Reply #322 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 9:39am

Gist wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 4:35pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

I'll give you my solution after you answer my question. (You could just recall our discussion on this topic we had only a few weeks ago and you'd find my answer. Or maybe your memory is as bad as your cognition?).

What is your pragmatic solution to resettlement?

My memory tells me that you gave diddly squat. My memory tells me that you CLAIMED you would answer after I gave an answer. And then you squibbed. Whodathunkit eh?

But perhaps my memory is faulty, as you say. Perhaps I'm confusing you with one of the other foot odour crowd. You are all so alike after all. So perhaps you could provide a link to this answer you gave. Or perhaps you could not.

How are you coming with that link to your post giving your solution there Missed?

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Reply #323 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 10:00am

Yadda wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 12:55am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 2:04pm:

I have an idea. How about we do a ppl swap and swap all the ppl that want to leave australia because they dont like all the muslims and the carbon tax for refugees who actually want to be here?

SOB

Hmmm!

Lets think about this.....

So, your solution to illegal immigration [by moslems] into Australia is, to make me [and those like me, who believe that moslems do not deserve to live in a country like Australia] leave Australia.

And we [who despise ISLAM] should go and live in a moslem country ???

Marvellous idea, Yadda. You don't have to move to another country, just go to Auburn.

There, you could infiltrate the sinister Muslim cells and convert them to your religion. You would be a modern day St Paul (but with your own specific religion).

Q.
Isn't that a great idea?

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Yes.

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Reply #324 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 10:17am

Gist wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 9:39am:

Gist wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 4:35pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

I'll give you my solution after you answer my question. (You could just recall our discussion on this topic we had only a few weeks ago and you'd find my answer. Or maybe your memory is as bad as your cognition?).

What is your pragmatic solution to resettlement?

My memory tells me that you gave diddly squat. My memory tells me that you CLAIMED you would answer after I gave an answer. And then you squibbed. Whodathunkit eh?

But perhaps my memory is faulty, as you say. Perhaps I'm confusing you with one of the other foot odour crowd. You are all so alike after all. So perhaps you could provide a link to this answer you gave. Or perhaps you could not.

How are you coming with that link to your post giving your solution there Missed?

You'll get your answer after you answer the question I put to you first.
This dodging does nothing for your so-called egalitarian stance. If you were really on top of this issue, and if you really cared about 'boat people,' then you'd have the answers ready, in detail, and be only too keen to get your point across. But what's becoming apparent is that this issue for you is no more than a political football, an issue that you play with just to oppose the view of the Conservatives. You give reactionary and flippant responses to give the appearance of 'moral superiority,' when in actual fact it's nothing but a point scoring game.

We went through this before. You should remember. That you don't remember the conversations and opposing views to your own is quite telling; that you forget who and what it is you're arguing against is a sure sign of someone who takes instant reactive positions on issues just to oppose the opposition, and has no intention of really solving this problem.

I'll ask again, what is your pragmatic solution to the 'boat people' issue?

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Reply #325 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 10:52am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 5:49am:

OMG Thats hilarious! Even the trolls knew i was joking but not yadda. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

http://www.genuinekentucky.com/images/laughing_so_hard_hes_crying.gif

Seriously yadda isnt your religion supposed to be of tolerance and being nice to your neighbour and stuff?

No, it's meant to be mean and nasty and separate the wheat from the goats and the sheep and the chaff.

Are you asking for a Bible quote?

Yadda - ?

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Reply #326 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 10:54am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

Gist wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 9:39am:

Gist wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 4:35pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

I'll give you my solution after you answer my question. (You could just recall our discussion on this topic we had only a few weeks ago and you'd find my answer. Or maybe your memory is as bad as your cognition?).

What is your pragmatic solution to resettlement?

My memory tells me that you gave diddly squat. My memory tells me that you CLAIMED you would answer after I gave an answer. And then you squibbed. Whodathunkit eh?

But perhaps my memory is faulty, as you say. Perhaps I'm confusing you with one of the other foot odour crowd. You are all so alike after all. So perhaps you could provide a link to this answer you gave. Or perhaps you could not.

How are you coming with that link to your post giving your solution there Missed?

You'll get your answer after you answer the question I put to you first.
This dodging does nothing for your so-called egalitarian stance. If you were really on top of this issue, and if you really cared about 'boat people,' then you'd have the answers ready, in detail, and be only too keen to get your point across. But what's becoming apparent is that this issue for you is no more than a political football, an issue that you play with just to oppose the view of the Conservatives.

What's it got to do with Conservatives?

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Reply #327 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 10:58am

Yadda wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 12:55am:

So, your solution to illegal immigration [by moslems] into Australia is, to make me [and those like me, who believe that moslems do not deserve to live in a country like Australia] leave Australia.

You seem a little confused.

This thread is about asylum seekers, not illegal immigration.

The illegal immigration problem in Australia is caused by people who come by plane.

"58,000 illegal immigrants in Australia have arrived by plane"

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/illegal-immigrants-arrive-by-plane/story-e6frea6u-...

It's not illegal to seek asylum, no matter what the means of transport.

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Reply #328 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 11:05am

"Oh no the UN has told us we must accept them!!!"

Grin

Quickly, allow all these boats because the UN says they must be processed....

Let me from memory tell you the instruction rule book for border forward checkpoint -

"If civilians attempt to cross through the border without papers, they must be stopped, searched and requested point of access control.
If they are citizens and can prove they are citizens of the country which they are currently in and requesting asylum in the state of Israel, they must be escorted to the border and placed into control of the national police directorate and migrational affairs.

If they can not prove their identity as a citizen of the country where the checkpoint is so, or for example a third country and they are travelling through a country to get to Israel - then they are to be refused admittance through the forward checkpoint and turn away.

If their papers are found to be false they are to be placed under arrest and deported to original point of attempted entry. Discretion of IDF Control Guard is used in this situation."

The UN was told that Israel will not follow the UN Convention on the Refugee situation.

Yet Australia??

You are like frightened children of the UN!!!

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Reply #329 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 11:14am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 11:05am:

"Oh no the UN has told us we must accept them!!!"

Grin

Quickly, allow all these boats because the UN says they must be processed....

Let me from memory tell you the instruction rule book for border forward checkpoint -

"If civilians attempt to cross through the border without papers, they must be stopped, searched and requested point of access control.
If they are citizens and can prove they are citizens of the country which they are currently in and requesting asylum in the state of Israel, they must be escorted to the border and placed into control of the national police directorate and migrational affairs.

If they can not prove their identity as a citizen of the country where the checkpoint is so, or for example a third country and they are travelling through a country to get to Israel - then they are to be refused admittance through the forward checkpoint and turn away.

If their papers are found to be false they are to be placed under arrest and deported to original point of attempted entry. Discretion of IDF Control Guard is used in this situation."

The UN was told that Israel will not follow the UN Convention on the Refugee situation.

Yet Australia??

You are like frightened children of the UN!!!

Tell me avram. Do you think we should let them all drown? And the ones that we bring here from the camps? Should we throw them into the water too?

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