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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95299 Gender:	Re: Asylum seekers, an argument too good not to post. Reply #345 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 10:17pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 10:09pm: If you think I am a 'sock' then I will ask you then to provide evidence of that. Matty, the jig's up. There's no need to pretend anymore. You're among friends, dear.
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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: Asylum seekers, an argument too good not to post. Reply #346 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 10:25pm Its time to stop the immigration program and the separatist shadow corporate maggot economy...
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Reply #347 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 5:25am

Soren wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 10:10pm:

Git, lots of posts, lots of bluster, puffing up and strutting.

'Resettle them before they get to the boats'. What a load of crap on stilts that is. Yet that is your 'considered' solution.

Me? Stop the boats. Select refugees who will benefit most from a chance in Australia AND who will benefit Australia most. There is no point of taking in a large number of people who are not at home in this kind of society. Take a number that can be absorbed without causing trouble and undermining the rest of the immigration program.

There is no point of importing people who will ultimately cause more social tension than it's worth, just so you can preen about how big and hairy your compassion is.

How do you propose to "sort" them? How do you decide which are worthy?

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Reply #348 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 12:51pm

> why would they want to run away from a country that practices their beliefs?

Because Indonesians are "nasty people" - they don't like free-loaders. Australians, by contrast, are LOVELY people. They'll do absolutely anything for anybody (see my thread "Disconnect Australia from criminal banksters").

> why, upon arrival in Australia , are these 'so-called-refugees' not charged with being 'ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS' and thrown on the first available flight out of the country.

Because they're just what the TransNational Corporations NEED and WANT - cheap immigrant labour who'll do what ever it takes (including working for zero dollars) just to stay in the country. During the last several decades, Australians have sold the WHOLE DAMN COUNTRY to foreigners. Since the foreigners own it, they insist on running it. Surprized? Only if you're an Australian (see my thread "Disconnect Australia from criminal banksters").

> Why is it, honest hard-working Australians have to pay taxes ...

As I said, because those same "honest hard-working Australians" are also stupid, conceited half-wits who think they can still run a country they don't own (see my thread "Disconnect Australia from criminal banksters").

> WAKE UP AUSTRALIA ...

Best of luck. I've been trying to do that for more than thirty years, and they're still sound asleep.

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Reply #349 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 1:08pm

52midnight wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 12:51pm:

> why, upon arrival in Australia , are these 'so-called-refugees' not charged with being 'ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS' and thrown on the first available flight out of the country.

Simple: because they are not illegal immigrants, they're asylum seekers. Two completely different things.

Under Australian Law and International Law a person is entitled to make an application for refugee asylum in another country when they allege they are escaping persecution. It's perfectly legal.

Now, I'm certainly not saying that all of these people are genuinely "escaping persecution". What I am saying is that once they declare that they're claiming asylum they then become legal asylum seekers.

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Reply #350 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 1:24pm

> Under Australian Law and International Law

"Australian Law" is, in almost every case, merely a rewrite of UN mandates to accomodate the few remaining local conventions. I recently wrote to all Qld Pollies (Newman's new administration) with a proposal on criminal penalties. The reply? Oh, good heavens no! That would breach our International Obligations. In other words, these incompetent scum-buckets that are elected to represent the best interests of their constituents merely "pass the buck" to the dictates of wealthy, self-indulgent political idealists in New York who have no understanding whatever of reality. What do they have? Money, of course (see my thread "Disconnect Australia from criminal banksters").

> once they declare that they're claiming asylum they then become legal asylum seekers.

Yep, and they've already been briefed on this and know EXACTLY what to say - in many cases, the only words of English that they can parrot.

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Reply #351 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 1:30pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 5:25am:

Soren wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 10:10pm:

Git, lots of posts, lots of bluster, puffing up and strutting.

'Resettle them before they get to the boats'. What a load of crap on stilts that is. Yet that is your 'considered' solution.

Me? Stop the boats. Select refugees who will benefit most from a chance in Australia AND who will benefit Australia most. There is no point of taking in a large number of people who are not at home in this kind of society. Take a number that can be absorbed without causing trouble and undermining the rest of the immigration program.

There is no point of importing people who will ultimately cause more social tension than it's worth, just so you can preen about how big and hairy your compassion is.

How do you propose to "sort" them? How do you decide which are worthy?

SOB

Hmmm... That's a tough one...

I know!!!

You interview them! You find out what kind of people they are. You give them a dictation test. You can even play free association games with them:

you say: Goat
he say: Cheese (with crusty bread, spring onions, olives, glass of red, discussing one's lucky stars and the blessings of living in god's own country)
we say: Congratulations You're in!

you say:Goat
he say: Stiffy
we say: Ta da!

Not difficult to separate the sheep from the goat lovers.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95299 Gender:	Re: Asylum seekers, an argument too good not to post. Reply #352 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 4:46pm My frien - not that there is anything wrong with this. We must respect all the peoples, isn't it?
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Reply #353 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 6:21pm

Soren wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 10:10pm:

Git, lots of posts, lots of bluster, puffing up and strutting.

'Resettle them before they get to the boats'. What a load of crap on stilts that is. Yet that is your 'considered' solution.

Me? Stop the boats. Select refugees who will benefit most from a chance in Australia AND who will benefit Australia most. There is no point of taking in a large number of people who are not at home in this kind of society. Take a number that can be absorbed without causing trouble and undermining the rest of the immigration program.

There is no point of importing people who will ultimately cause more social tension than it's worth, just so you can preen about how big and hairy your compassion is.

It is only incidentally about compassion you idiot. It's about doing what you tell the world to do. Nobody in the world gives a toss about Indonesia not taking in refugees because they never said they would take them. They never made the commitment. Australia did. NOBODY put a gun to our heads and forced us to sign up for the refugee convention. We chose to do it.

Then having chosen to say yeah, we'll take refugees what do we do? Try to find every weaselly excuse and act of bastardry under the sun to make sure they DON'T COME. What a bunch of pricks that makes us!

Well you righties may be comfortable acting like pricks - after all, you're used to it even live for it. But some of us choose not to behave that way. If you want ZERO asylum seekers to be accepted into Australia then fine, go talk to your local member and persuade them to get this country to opt out of the refugee convention.

Until then I demand that we do exactly what we said we would do - accept refugees in a humane manner.

As for your proposal of choosing who to let in... I hope that's due to brain fade or something because it's laughable. Depending on when your family came to this country, I hope you realise that your Danish forbears would probably have been excluded by that test. After all, the Brits wouldn't want drunken Danish louts like you coming in would they? They'd never fit in! Cheesy

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Asylum seekers, an argument too good not to post. Reply #354 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 7:02pm As Barnum of Barnum and Bailey's Circus once said,"there's a sucker born every minute." Take a bow Australia; sucker to every flea bitten rogue with $15,000 in their pockets and a chance to feed off Australia's largesse for the rest of their lives.
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Reply #355 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 7:09pm

red baron wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 7:02pm:

As Barnum of Barnum and Bailey's Circus once said,"there's a sucker born every minute."

Take a bow Australia; sucker to every flea bitten rogue with $15,000 in their pockets and a chance to feed off Australia's largesse for the rest of their lives.

You paid $15,000?? Man... you got ripped off something rotten... Cheesy

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Reply #356 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 8:08pm

Gist wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 6:21pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 10:10pm:

Git, lots of posts, lots of bluster, puffing up and strutting.

'Resettle them before they get to the boats'. What a load of crap on stilts that is. Yet that is your 'considered' solution.

Me? Stop the boats. Select refugees who will benefit most from a chance in Australia AND who will benefit Australia most. There is no point of taking in a large number of people who are not at home in this kind of society. Take a number that can be absorbed without causing trouble and undermining the rest of the immigration program.

There is no point of importing people who will ultimately cause more social tension than it's worth, just so you can preen about how big and hairy your compassion is.

It is only incidentally about compassion you idiot. It's about doing what you tell the world to do. Nobody in the world gives a toss about Indonesia not taking in refugees because they never said they would take them. They never made the commitment. Australia did. NOBODY put a gun to our heads and forced us to sign up for the refugee convention. We chose to do it.

Then having chosen to say yeah, we'll take refugees what do we do? Try to find every weaselly excuse and act of bastardry under the sun to make sure they DON'T COME. What a bunch of pricks that makes us!

Well you righties may be comfortable acting like pricks - after all, you're used to it even live for it. But some of us choose not to behave that way. If you want ZERO asylum seekers to be accepted into Australia then fine, go talk to your local member and persuade them to get this country to opt out of the refugee convention.

Until then I demand that we do exactly what we said we would do - accept refugees in a humane manner.

As for your proposal of choosing who to let in... I hope that's due to brain fade or something because it's laughable. Depending on when your family came to this country, I hope you realise that your Danish forbears would probably have been excluded by that test. After all, the Brits wouldn't want drunken Danish louts like you coming in would they? They'd never fit in! Cheesy

Pettyfogging nonsense.

We signed the convention to help refugees. And we do. SO your demands are being met.
We did NOT sign any convention to help anyone who can work the loopholes of the convention.
A Pakistani pretending to be an Afghan Hazara is not a refugee even if declares himself to be one. Iranians are not refugees unless they are politically persecuted - in which case they would not have passports to fly to Indonesia as tourists.

Claiming to be a refugee is not the same as being a refugee.

The rest of your post, like most of your other ones, is just puffery and preening.

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Reply #357 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 8:15pm

Gist wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 6:21pm:

Until then I demand that we do exactly what we said we would do - accept refugees in a humane manner.

You enter the country on a 6 moths visitor's visa and claim asylum immediately - and you will never be detained, even for a minute.

See?

People we allow into the county are treated supremely humanely. It's the undocumented queue jumpers, shady, shifty types that are detained. And that only because we do not know who the bugger they are.

Capisce, Gino? Slowly, sound it out - enter Australia legally and you will not be detained. Howzat?? You must be astonished.

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Asylum seekers, an argument too good not to post. Reply #358 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 8:16pm That supposed to be funny Gist? If you were writing for tv it would tank
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Reply #359 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 9:22pm

Soren wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 8:08pm:

Pettyfogging nonsense.

We signed the convention to help refugees. And we do. SO your demands are being met.
We did NOT sign any convention to help anyone who can work the loopholes of the convention.
A Pakistani pretending to be an Afghan Hazara is not a refugee even if declares himself to be one. Iranians are not refugees unless they are politically persecuted - in which case they would not have passports to fly to Indonesia as tourists.

Claiming to be a refugee is not the same as being a refugee.

The rest of your post, like most of your other ones, is just puffery and preening.

Blah blah, the usual right wing nut job BS. Next you'll be telling us there are streams of Pakistanis pretending to be a Hazaras invading the beaches in their high speed Zodiac inflatables and wearing black tights and balaclavas. After all, if you're going to do the nutjob routine you may as well go the whole way.

Back to reality - show me examples of this happening. I've no doubt there may be some who attempt it. There may even be the occasional one who squeak through. But they are vetted and only the genuine ones get to stay. Your nice, friendly visa fly-in refugee is FAR more likely to be a bullshit artist than the ones that come in on boats.

You know all this. But of course you choose to ignore it because... well... you'd prefer to be an ignorant nutjob... and anyway righties like you thrive on bullsh!t...

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