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Reply #390 - Jul 21^st, 2012 at 7:59am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 7:54am:

Emma wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 1:03am:

You don't process them. That is what I am telling you. You refuse to process all boat arrivals without visas. AVRAM

OK - I'll ask you again.

HOW do you do this Avram?

You have two options.
You refuse them any entry and return them to point of departure.
Or you can imprison them for attempting to enter the country illegally and then deport them.

You refuse to consider them for asylum.

If they are Sri Lankan you report them to Sri Lanka.

As soon as you set the examples then the message becomes clear.

It is like in 2008 when Hamas were thinking they could fire rockets at us and all we would respond is occasional attack. They said we would never send in ground forces.
Well when we sent in thousands of soldiers into Gaza and started to shoot them - all of a sudden the rockets stopped.

It's the same thing you set your early example you are serious then they will see.
If they know in Australia all they get is imprisonment and then deportation and refuse to process like we do in Israel they will go somewhere else!

We are a compassionate country unlike israel and we take refugees. We dont want to turn them away - we want them to stop drowning.

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Reply #391 - Jul 21^st, 2012 at 8:01am

Prevailing wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 12:32am:

Its up to our defense force to protect the Australian people and our economic and territorial integrity from illegal migration. What part of that don't you understand? We have a defense force to run off foreign invaders....that is all, also stopping the boats and turning them away saves lives....why do you want people to die by encouraging them to come here in ever greater numbers - this is wrong headed thinking....

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Its up to our defense force to protect the Australian people and our economic and territorial integrity from illegal migration.

And it's up to the imigration department to fight wars and protect us from invasion.

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Reply #392 - Jul 21^st, 2012 at 8:08am

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Its up to our defense force to protect the Australian people and our economic and territorial integrity from illegal migration.

Actually why isnt anything being done about all the illegal immigrants - the actual illegal immigrants who are here in bigger numbers than the asylum seekers? Nothing? Never hear anything about it . . .

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Reply #393 - Jul 21^st, 2012 at 8:08am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 7:54am:

Emma wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 1:03am:

You don't process them. That is what I am telling you. You refuse to process all boat arrivals without visas. AVRAM

OK - I'll ask you again.

HOW do you do this Avram?

You have two options.
You refuse them any entry and return them to point of departure.
Or you can imprison them for attempting to enter the country illegally and then deport them.

You refuse to consider them for asylum.

If they are Sri Lankan you report them to Sri Lanka.

As soon as you set the examples then the message becomes clear.

It is like in 2008 when Hamas were thinking they could fire rockets at us and all we would respond is occasional attack. They said we would never send in ground forces.
Well when we sent in thousands of soldiers into Gaza and started to shoot them - all of a sudden the rockets stopped.

It's the same thing you set your early example you are serious then they will see.
If they know in Australia all they get is imprisonment and then deportation and refuse to process like we do in Israel they will go somewhere else!

Deport them to where? if they have no id, and refuse to co-operate, you cannot deport them ... no other country will accept them ... and how long before you fill up the jails?

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Reply #394 - Jul 21^st, 2012 at 8:24am

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 8:08am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 7:54am:

Emma wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 1:03am:

You don't process them. That is what I am telling you. You refuse to process all boat arrivals without visas. AVRAM

OK - I'll ask you again.

HOW do you do this Avram?

You have two options.
You refuse them any entry and return them to point of departure.
Or you can imprison them for attempting to enter the country illegally and then deport them.

You refuse to consider them for asylum.

If they are Sri Lankan you report them to Sri Lanka.

As soon as you set the examples then the message becomes clear.

It is like in 2008 when Hamas were thinking they could fire rockets at us and all we would respond is occasional attack. They said we would never send in ground forces.
Well when we sent in thousands of soldiers into Gaza and started to shoot them - all of a sudden the rockets stopped.

It's the same thing you set your early example you are serious then they will see.
If they know in Australia all they get is imprisonment and then deportation and refuse to process like we do in Israel they will go somewhere else!

Deport them to where? if they have no id, and refuse to co-operate, you cannot deport them ... no other country will accept them ... and how long before you fill up the jails?

The numbers you have of people in the boats would not be too much of a problem for jails - and you should bring back the policy you have before of cutting the islands out of the Australian migration zone.

You put the jails outside of the main land Australia.

Like in Israel we can process and handle better in West Bank zones (where is the forward checkpoints) because it is not technically Israel and is governed by the army not the civil police and judges.

You can make better decisions this way.

Dont matter what the UN say - you all seem so afraid of the UN and the Convention.

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Reply #395 - Jul 21^st, 2012 at 8:26am

You do know that a lot of the asylum people you have come from Sri Lanka.

Sri Lanka is already on record saying to Canada, USA, Australia that they believe they are terrorists and Sri Lanka wishes so speak to these people.

You would have no problem at all with Sri Lanka accepting them back for deportation.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26500 Australia	Re: Asylum seekers, an argument too good not to post. Reply #396 - Jul 21^st, 2012 at 8:29am Quote: Like in Israel we can process and handle better in West Bank zones (where is the forward checkpoints) because it is not technically Israel and is governed by the army not the civil police and judges. Then what right have you got to occupy it and have "jails" there? SOB
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Reply #397 - Jul 21^st, 2012 at 8:30am

I would add that the position I take is the same as I was instructed to do for border control point in national service.

Exact this.

Do not allow in or past anyone who is not carrying documents and if they try to claim asylum refuse because it is not Israel, it is a forward check point.

This was criticized in the UN yes but if you check the Resolutions, it was put in one to condemn on practices of human rights violations and it failed at security council vote where the permanent members could not agree.

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Reply #398 - Jul 21^st, 2012 at 8:31am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 8:29am:

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Like in Israel we can process and handle better in West Bank zones (where is the forward checkpoints) because it is not technically Israel and is governed by the army not the civil police and judges.

Then what right have you got to occupy it and have "jails" there?

SOB

we dont have jails in the west bank. I am giving you a example of where it has a different structure of process - where the army is the overall jurisdictions and not civil areas - which is the situation in Israel itself.

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Reply #399 - Jul 21^st, 2012 at 8:36am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 8:24am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 8:08am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 7:54am:

Emma wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 1:03am:

You don't process them. That is what I am telling you. You refuse to process all boat arrivals without visas. AVRAM

OK - I'll ask you again.

HOW do you do this Avram?

You have two options.
You refuse them any entry and return them to point of departure.
Or you can imprison them for attempting to enter the country illegally and then deport them.

You refuse to consider them for asylum.

If they are Sri Lankan you report them to Sri Lanka.

As soon as you set the examples then the message becomes clear.

It is like in 2008 when Hamas were thinking they could fire rockets at us and all we would respond is occasional attack. They said we would never send in ground forces.
Well when we sent in thousands of soldiers into Gaza and started to shoot them - all of a sudden the rockets stopped.

It's the same thing you set your early example you are serious then they will see.
If they know in Australia all they get is imprisonment and then deportation and refuse to process like we do in Israel they will go somewhere else!

Deport them to where? if they have no id, and refuse to co-operate, you cannot deport them ... no other country will accept them ... and how long before you fill up the jails?

The numbers you have of people in the boats would not be too much of a problem for jails - and you should bring back the policy you have before of cutting the islands out of the Australian migration zone.

You put the jails outside of the main land Australia.

Like in Israel we can process and handle better in West Bank zones (where is the forward checkpoints) because it is not technically Israel and is governed by the army not the civil police and judges.

You can make better decisions this way.

Dont matter what the UN say - you all seem so afraid of the UN and the Convention.

so you propose to lock up thousands of people indefinitely ...

as far as Sri Lanka goes, do you know what Sri Lanka does to the Tamil people? sort of why they are seeking asylum in the first place ....

if every country adopted Israel's policy, the world would be a hell hole ... not the sort of place I want my kids to grow up in .... your suggestion does nothing except breed hatred and prejudices ...you keep it. you ever wonder why everyone wants to blow your country up?

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Reply #401 - Jul 21^st, 2012 at 8:41am

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 8:36am:

you ever wonder why everyone wants to blow your country up?

Because we are not soft and will respond to aggression and they do not like it.

However may i also remind you that our policy on refugees works.

We take a quote of non-Jews each year which is flew in by plane. No processing at the border and no asylum claims.

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Reply #402 - Jul 21^st, 2012 at 8:45am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 8:40am:

Sri Lanka is a ally of Australia I must remind you.

You can not be ally and then accuse them of human rights violations and take their people for asylum!

why not? I have friends and acquaintances, but that doesn't mean I agree with everything each of those people do .... If you kill thousands of innocent woman and children just because they were Tamil ... I don't care who you are, I'll accuse you of human rights violations

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Reply #403 - Jul 21^st, 2012 at 8:49am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 8:41am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 8:36am:

you ever wonder why everyone wants to blow your country up?

Because we are not soft and will respond to aggression and they do not like it.

However may i also remind you that our policy on refugees works.

We take a quote of non-Jews each year which is flew in by plane. No processing at the border and no asylum claims.

they are soft? and you're tough? .... I'd like to see how tough you were without the US backing you .. must be nice being so tough when the US gives you the latest and greatest toys, knowing they can never match the weaponry you are given..... I'd bet if it was reversed you wouldn't be so tough ... and you'd probably be pleading for asylum yourselfd ....

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Reply #404 - Jul 21^st, 2012 at 9:41am

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 8:49am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 8:41am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 8:36am:

you ever wonder why everyone wants to blow your country up?

Because we are not soft and will respond to aggression and they do not like it.

However may i also remind you that our policy on refugees works.

We take a quote of non-Jews each year which is flew in by plane. No processing at the border and no asylum claims.

they are soft? and you're tough? .... I'd like to see how tough you were without the US backing you .. must be nice being so tough when the US gives you the latest and greatest toys, knowing they can never match the weaponry you are given..... I'd bet if it was reversed you wouldn't be so tough ... and you'd probably be pleading for asylum yourselfd ....

You have no idea or understanding of the regional situation so you are better staying with subjects you may understand.

Australia can take much stronger action that it does.

Tell me - why did your Government put Christmas Island back in the migration zone?
That makes more boats come.

It is much easier to get there than Australia itself.

You know you must make it as hard as possible to come - then you make less come.

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