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Reply #840 - Dec 10^th, 2013 at 6:06pm

Emma wrote on Dec 9^th, 2013 at 10:33pm:

"But multiculturalism does not mean that cultures blend. Mistrust prevails, communitarianism is rampant -- parallel societies are forming that continuously distance themselves from each other." a quote from Soren.

Ahhhhhh .
Have you ever considered that this may be due the ignorance of the parties concerned..

Ignorance of what?

Were/are the American Indians or the Aborigines somehow ignorant of the enriching immigrant cultural diversity that they have been blessed by over the last few centuries?

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Australian "values" Reply #841 - Dec 10^th, 2013 at 6:09pm \|dev\|null wrote on Dec 10^th, 2013 at 1:14pm: Emma wrote on Dec 9^th, 2013 at 9:35pm: .. perhaps a good example of Australian Values,, can be seen.. by watching the Man from Snowy River.. 1 & 2 .. !! But my friend.. that is ? not reality. Big Brother? Dutch/Italian. Diversity, innit.
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Reply #842 - Dec 10^th, 2013 at 9:40pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 10^th, 2013 at 1:11pm:

Grendel wrote on Dec 9^th, 2013 at 10:59pm:

Emma wrote on Dec 9^th, 2013 at 10:27pm:

ahh OK
sorry mate
you are perhaps saying that multi-culturalism is an Australian value..??

Guess not eh ?

But as you point out, in your French expose, the natives aren't happy.. or perhaps better to say ..some of the native francais ..aren't happy. Is this your point..?? if not..?? what is your point.!>??

No sorry/////// big difference between cultures, and values. I cannot see them as the same at all.

Multiculti is a settlement policy Emma... I'd have thought even you would know that. Roll Eyes

Multiculturalism is also a social policy. Your effort to redefine it is typical of your tactics. Cheesy

Quite simply it is a settlement policy... it replaced Integration and Assimilation. It is flawed and should be abandoned.

No redefinition on my behalf at all. Cheesy

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Reply #843 - Dec 11^th, 2013 at 12:27pm

Soren wrote on Dec 10^th, 2013 at 3:37pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 10^th, 2013 at 12:57pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 9^th, 2013 at 8:49pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 9^th, 2013 at 2:59pm:

Using white supremacist youtube videos? No surprise there! Cheesy

How are they white supremacist videos?

Their author is a white supremacist. Don't you know anything about "White Rabbit"?

No.

Just this once I am a Foucauldian - what matters is what is said, not who says it.

One cannot remove the comment from it's context. To do so is foolishly fail to apply any moral stance. Typical of a bigot to scurry to the White Supremacists for support! Cheesy

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Australian "values" Reply #844 - Dec 12^th, 2013 at 2:31pm Ah, so making the trains run on time is a fascist thing because Mussolini, a fascists, also made them run on time. Hotsi-Totsi, you are mentally negligible.
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Reply #845 - Dec 12^th, 2013 at 9:01pm

Soren wrote on Dec 10^th, 2013 at 6:06pm:

Emma wrote on Dec 9^th, 2013 at 10:33pm:

"But multiculturalism does not mean that cultures blend. Mistrust prevails, communitarianism is rampant -- parallel societies are forming that continuously distance themselves from each other." a quote from Soren.

Ahhhhhh .
Have you ever considered that this may be due the ignorance of the parties concerned..

Ignorance of what?

Were/are the American Indians or the Aborigines somehow ignorant of the enriching immigrant cultural diversity that they have been blessed by over the last few centuries?

Hard words and true Soren.

No.. I'm talking about NOW.
The circumstances of immigrants and refugees cannot be compared to the near annihilation of native populations.

It is however an issue that does affect the very lives of many many people... and OUR treatment of them is SCURRILOUS.

IT is CRUEL, UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT for NO PROVEN CRIME.
hey equality too, as children women and men are all tortured by this policy.
I am sick to my stomach.. that AUSTRALIA.. the land of last resort... HAS BECOME SUCH A CRASS IGNORANT AND BASICALLY CRIMINAL STATE.
IT is PUKEWORTHY, and I wouldn't admit to being Australian.. IF I EVER WENT O/S... I would be TOO EMBARRASSED and ASHAMED.

WE are seriously ON THE NOSE.!

WE.. so blessed... act like the most cowardly of all. Sad

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Reply #846 - Dec 12^th, 2013 at 10:33pm

Emma wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 9:01pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 10^th, 2013 at 6:06pm:

Emma wrote on Dec 9^th, 2013 at 10:33pm:

"But multiculturalism does not mean that cultures blend. Mistrust prevails, communitarianism is rampant -- parallel societies are forming that continuously distance themselves from each other." a quote from Soren.

Ahhhhhh .
Have you ever considered that this may be due the ignorance of the parties concerned..

Ignorance of what?

Were/are the American Indians or the Aborigines somehow ignorant of the enriching immigrant cultural diversity that they have been blessed by over the last few centuries?

Hard words and true Soren.

No.. I'm talking about NOW.
The circumstances of immigrants and refugees cannot be compared to the near annihilation of native populations.

It is however an issue that does affect the very lives of many many people... and OUR treatment of them is SCURRILOUS.

IT is CRUEL, UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT for NO PROVEN CRIME.
hey equality too, as children women and men are all tortured by this policy.
I am sick to my stomach.. that AUSTRALIA.. the land of last resort... HAS BECOME SUCH A CRASS IGNORANT AND BASICALLY CRIMINAL STATE.
IT is PUKEWORTHY, and I wouldn't admit to being Australian.. IF I EVER WENT O/S... I would be TOO EMBARRASSED and ASHAMED.

WE are seriously ON THE NOSE.!

WE.. so blessed... act like the most cowardly of all. Sad

What the....?
Are you on about?
Who is tortured by what policy? Multiculti?
If you are ashamed of Australia... leave... I'm sure many will be pleased. I know I will. Roll Eyes

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Australian "values" Reply #847 - Dec 12^th, 2013 at 10:55pm how predictable was that reply..?? do you not read or hear News.? Do you care at all for other people.?? The answer would be NO.. wouldn't it.??
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Reply #848 - Dec 13^th, 2013 at 7:23am

Listen Emma... are you taking your meds...? If I knew what you were on about I wouldn't ask... a normal person would explain themselves. Roll Eyes

Now since there is such a large disconnect between reality, plain English and what you post, perhaps you could at least try to be comprehensible occasionally. Hmmm?
Obtuse and incomprehensible went out of fashion with the end of the beat generation. Cheesy

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Reply #849 - Dec 13^th, 2013 at 7:32pm

Australia doesn't owe the 'women and children' of the world anything. Australia doesn't owe the men of the world anything. Australia is a country, like the other 190+, that has the right to take the driver's seat in determining its own future.

'Like the other 190 + countries'. They are completely free to shape their societies in their own image. It is not our responsibility to rescue them from their evident mistakes.

Either they are free - or they should b re-colonised and treated as incompetent children.

It is not our mission to shelter the world's 'women and children' and men from the decisions THEY make in their own self-determination. We are NOT the safety net to catch all the people who buggers up their own countries.

Appointing ourselves as the last resort against THEIR incompetence as peoples is the worst kind of racism - it says from the outset that we are here to catch them if they fail, like mummy or nanny.

King Kalakaua of Hawaii, visiting England, was invited to a dinner party at which the Prince of Wales (that is, the future King Edward VII) was also to be present.

The prince insisted that King Kalakaua should take precedence in the seating arrangements over the crown prince of Germany, who was his own brother-in-law and the future Kaiser. To back up his insistence, our Bertie offered the following flawless gem of logic: "Either the brute is a king, or he's a common or garden n igger ; and if the latter, what's he doing here?"

Just so.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Australian "values" Reply #850 - Dec 13^th, 2013 at 9:17pm
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Australian "values" Reply #851 - Dec 13^th, 2013 at 10:55pm to each their own .. Soren. Sadly, for you.. we don't live in the Victorian era..
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Reply #852 - Dec 13^th, 2013 at 11:01pm

Grendel wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 7:23am:

Listen Emma... are you taking your meds...? If I knew what you were on about I wouldn't ask... a normal person would explain themselves. Roll Eyes

Now since there is such a large disconnect between reality, plain English and what you post, perhaps you could at least try to be comprehensible occasionally. Hmmm?
Obtuse and incomprehensible went out of fashion with the end of the beat generation. Cheesy

Grime...?? I do not believe you are as ignorant as you pretend to be.

If you would really like to understand what I am saying.. go visit off-shore detention 'facilities' (gulags)(concentration camps) set up by you.... and your like. Foul is foul whatever language or colour you are. Angry

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Check it out for yourself/... or do you think these 'facilities' are holiday camps ffs????

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Reply #853 - Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:17pm

'Our' help to the less fortunate was colonisation. Most of them got independence before they learned how to run an independent, civilised country.
There are some notable exceptions - Hong King, Singapore - but they are notable for being exceptions, and for providing the example that post-colonial maturity IS possible.

The rest resent colonialism without being able to cope with independence. Is it our responsibility to save them from themselves?

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Reply #854 - Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:39pm

Soren wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 7:32pm:

Australia doesn't owe the 'women and children' of the world anything. Australia doesn't owe the men of the world anything. Australia is a country, like the other 190+, that has the right to take the driver's seat in determining its own future.

Except we have made commitments to other nations that we believe and desire to uphold certain behaviour over the issue of the rights of Asylum Seekers, Soren.

It is clear we are not carrying out our part of the agreement under the UN Convention on the Status of Refugees.

Do you believe we are? Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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