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Reply #870 - Dec 14^th, 2013 at 10:56pm

Emma wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 10:28pm:

The Refugee Convention was about saving European refugees from the the aftermath of the Nazis and the commies.

The Afghans, the Iranians, the Iraqis, Sri Lankans, Vietnamese - they are all fleeing themselves. They are fleeing Muslim, Communist, nazi (nationalist) regimes they willed into existence themselves.

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You are kidding aren't you.? I mean.. you think more clearly than this rationale surely..???

I mean.. the Nazi's were EUROPEANS for goodness sake..!!!!!

Or perhaps you think theywere aliens...?>????. Angry

Yes, they were Europeans. It was always about Europeans. It is a Cold War convention.
It was never meant to be about third world economic refugees pretending to want to be Dutch or French or Australian or American - only to flood the Western welfare states.

The Refugee Convention was always about getting Eastern Europeans out of Stalinist countries into the European and American and Australian 'homeland' of freedom and proper European civilisation. It was never about facilitating third world Asian and African immigration into European-style societies.

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Reply #871 - Dec 14^th, 2013 at 11:17pm

Soren wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 10:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:39pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 7:32pm:

Australia doesn't owe the 'women and children' of the world anything. Australia doesn't owe the men of the world anything. Australia is a country, like the other 190+, that has the right to take the driver's seat in determining its own future.

Except we have made commitments to other nations that we believe and desire to uphold certain behaviour over the issue of the rights of Asylum Seekers, Soren.

It is clear we are not carrying out our part of the agreement under the UN Convention on the Status of Refugees.

Do you believe we are? Roll Eyes

The Refugee Convention has NEVER been about saving people from themselves, after they buggered up their own societies.

Funny, I can't find any mention of that in the text of the Convention or the actual conference, Soren. Care to provide some evidence?

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The Refugee Convention was about saving European refugees from the the aftermath of the Nazis and the commies.

Weren't they examples of, "saving people from themselves, after they buggered up their own societies?" Weren't Nazis German or Commies [insert Eastern European nationality of choice]?

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The Afghans, the Iranians, the Iraqis, Sri Lankans, Vietnamese - they are all fleeing themselves. They are fleeing Muslim, Communist, nazi (nationalist) regimes they willed into existence themselves.

So, who created the Nazi Third Reich or the Communist regimes of Eastern Europe, Soren? Space Aliens? Roll Eyes

I note though, you have avoided the question I asked?

Are we carrying out our obligations under the UN Convention on Refugees, Soren? Roll Eyes

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Reply #872 - Dec 14^th, 2013 at 11:20pm

Soren wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 10:14pm:

The majority of these 'refugees' are illegal immigrants who use the refugee convention to gain access because they would never be able to pass the muster as immigrants.

I take it that you can prove that claim, Soren?

Afterall, it appears difficult to prove as Australia has not processed any Asylum applications since August 2012.

Of course, before that, the overwhelming majority of applications were judged to be genuine refugees, so what does that suggest about your claim? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

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Reply #873 - Dec 14^th, 2013 at 11:23pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 11:20pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 10:14pm:

The majority of these 'refugees' are illegal immigrants who use the refugee convention to gain access because they would never be able to pass the muster as immigrants.

I take it that you can prove that claim, Soren?

Afterall, it appears difficult to prove as Australia has not processed any Asylum applications since August 2012.

Of course, before that, the overwhelming majority of applications were judged to be genuine refugees, so what does that suggest about your claim? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

Soren is an ignorant, uneducated racist who thrives on misinformation and Bolt Reports.

You do realise that, don't you?

Prediction: he'll call you an idiot, and then run away.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139039 Gender:	Re: Australian "values" Reply #874 - Dec 14^th, 2013 at 11:28pm Too late. The little racist has logged off. Once he's confronted, he runs away. Pathetic coward.
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Datalife Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2405 Gender:	Re: Australian "values" Reply #875 - Dec 14^th, 2013 at 11:29pm I don't think there can be much doubt for anyone who cares to think and doesn't have a secret barrow to push about the desirability of a borderless world, that the convention drafted in the 1950s in a vastly different world and targeted at a different set of circumstance fails to accommodate modern realities.
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Reply #876 - Dec 14^th, 2013 at 11:30pm

Soren wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 10:56pm:

Emma wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 10:28pm:

The Refugee Convention was about saving European refugees from the the aftermath of the Nazis and the commies.

The Afghans, the Iranians, the Iraqis, Sri Lankans, Vietnamese - they are all fleeing themselves. They are fleeing Muslim, Communist, nazi (nationalist) regimes they willed into existence themselves.

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You are kidding aren't you.? I mean.. you think more clearly than this rationale surely..???

I mean.. the Nazi's were EUROPEANS for goodness sake..!!!!!

Or perhaps you think theywere aliens...?>????. Angry

Yes, they were Europeans. It was always about Europeans. It is a Cold War convention.
It was never meant to be about third world economic refugees pretending to want to be Dutch or French or Australian or American - only to flood the Western welfare states.

The Refugee Convention was always about getting Eastern Europeans out of Stalinist countries into the European and American and Australian 'homeland' of freedom and proper European civilisation. It was never about facilitating third world Asian and African immigration into European-style societies.

It was? Perhaps you can provide some evidence for that claim? You know, a quote or two? The Convention seems to think it was about being non-discriminatory and applied to everybody,

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Article 3 [Non-discrimination]

The Contracting States shall apply the provisions of this Convention to refugees without discrimination as to race, religion or country of origin.

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I just don't seem to be able to find anywhere what you claim, Soren.

So, please if you have some secret source of information that can be verified, post it, otherwise I am going to assume this was pulled by you from your bum. Roll Eyes

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Reply #877 - Dec 14^th, 2013 at 11:31pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 11:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 11:20pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 10:14pm:

The majority of these 'refugees' are illegal immigrants who use the refugee convention to gain access because they would never be able to pass the muster as immigrants.

I take it that you can prove that claim, Soren?

Afterall, it appears difficult to prove as Australia has not processed any Asylum applications since August 2012.

Of course, before that, the overwhelming majority of applications were judged to be genuine refugees, so what does that suggest about your claim? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

Soren is an ignorant, uneducated racist who thrives on misinformation and Bolt Reports.

You do realise that, don't you?

Prediction: he'll call you an idiot, and then run away.

I agree. He usually reacts with anger when cornered. So childish. Roll Eyes

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Reply #878 - Dec 14^th, 2013 at 11:32pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 11:28pm:

Too late.

The little racist has logged off.

Once he's confronted, he runs away.

Pathetic coward.

LOL, look at the time, maybe he wants to get some sleep. Not everyone wants to be here 24/7 like yourself. 24 posts a day on average? LOL again. Get a grip and a life other than posting giffs and spelling corrections. Roll Eyes

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139039 Gender:	Re: Australian "values" Reply #879 - Dec 14^th, 2013 at 11:34pm Datalife wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 11:32pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 11:28pm: Too late. The little racist has logged off. Once he's confronted, he runs away. Pathetic coward. LOL, look at the time 9:30
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Reply #880 - Dec 14^th, 2013 at 11:52pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 11:34pm:

Datalife wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 11:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 11:28pm:

Too late.

The little racist has logged off.

Once he's confronted, he runs away.

Pathetic coward.

LOL, look at the time

9:30

heheh, not everyone has the desire to haunt the forums 24/7 across all time zones. In many parts of Australia it is late at night and not everyone wants to match your post count. 24 a day average, seriously? Grin

Myself I am going to bed as soon as a crappy song plays on Rage and no doubt when I log in sometime tomorrow you will be here. Correcting spelling and posting giffs but apart from that, not so much. Cool

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"If they’re out there in the high seas, what you would do is seek to turn them back through the agency of the Australian Navy".

Kevin Rudd on 2GB, July 12, 2007

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Datalife Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2405 Gender:	Re: Australian "values" Reply #881 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 12:33am LOL, no reply from Peccerhead, the pretentious twat, all mouth and no trousers has logged off. Even he needs some sleep. I was silly in my assessment of 24/7. Might only be 19/7 he inhabits and monitors the forum.
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Australian "values" Reply #882 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 12:40am might be.. who cares??
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Reply #883 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 8:38pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 11:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 11:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 11:20pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 10:14pm:

The majority of these 'refugees' are illegal immigrants who use the refugee convention to gain access because they would never be able to pass the muster as immigrants.

I take it that you can prove that claim, Soren?

Afterall, it appears difficult to prove as Australia has not processed any Asylum applications since August 2012.

Of course, before that, the overwhelming majority of applications were judged to be genuine refugees, so what does that suggest about your claim? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

Soren is an ignorant, uneducated racist who thrives on misinformation and Bolt Reports.

You do realise that, don't you?

Prediction: he'll call you an idiot, and then run away.

I agree. He usually reacts with anger when cornered. So childish. Roll Eyes

Just more of the usual dry wank from you, boys.
Carry on. You can't stop. Fap on.

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Reply #884 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 9:32pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:

Grendel wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 7:23am:

Listen Emma... are you taking your meds...? If I knew what you were on about I wouldn't ask... a normal person would explain themselves. Roll Eyes

Now since there is such a large disconnect between reality, plain English and what you post, perhaps you could at least try to be comprehensible occasionally. Hmmm?
Obtuse and incomprehensible went out of fashion with the end of the beat generation. Cheesy

Being deliberately obtuse again, Beowulf. How unsurprising, just another of your favourite trolling tactics. Roll Eyes

Yet another flame from the Queen of Trolls.. Roll Eyes

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