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perceptions_now wrote on Jul 20 th, 2012 at 4:08pm: tonegunman1 wrote on Jul 20 th, 2012 at 3:13pm: perceptions_now wrote on Jul 20 th, 2012 at 2:31pm: perceptions_now wrote on Jul 20 th, 2012 at 11:50am: tonegunman1 wrote on Jul 20 th, 2012 at 11:07am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 20 th, 2012 at 10:49am: tonegunman1 wrote on Jul 20 th, 2012 at 10:44am: perceptions_now wrote on Jul 20 th, 2012 at 9:18am: tonegunman1 wrote on Jul 20 th, 2012 at 8:56am: MOTR wrote on Jul 20 th, 2012 at 6:19am: Would this mean that Queensland Science teachers can't mention the experiments of John Tyndall in 1859 which established the warming properties of CO2 and other greenhouse gases, or our satellites that show a drop in the outgoing radiation at the wavelength bands that greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide (CO2) and methane (CH4) absorb energy. Or perhaps they shouldn't mention the measurements that show an increase in atmospheric CO2 and a warming planet.
Is this the beginning of our Orwellian nightmare. Ministry of Education, indeed.
Gee...do we also tell them that in the last 20 thousand years that sea levels have increased 120 metres but the rate has actually slowed considerably. Do we also tell them that sea level has been historically much, much higher than it is now on average. Do we also tell them that CO2 levels are also well below average historical levels. With a concentration high of about 7000ppm during the Cambrian. The Cambrian was associated with an "explosion of life forms" with the emergence of most major animal phyla. Do we tell them that the ice-core data supports that CO2 lags temperature rise. That on 3 occasions in the last 300K years it has been hotter than it is now (without the burning of fossil fuel or any deforestation) and if we were at the global average during this time most of the planet would perish because of the severe cold and food shortages. Do we also teach that the greatest greenhouse gas is good old H2O as the single largest contributor to global warming. The ability of the oceans to absorb and release heat actually buffers the global climate and makes earth habitable. So to get the full picture they need all the facts not just notes from a geological eyeblink. The simple truth is your view is the Orwellian one. It means, we teach the facts, as per the current best scientific "known knowledge"& allow the students & scientists to prove &/or disprove those theories.
That is science!
What these LNP LOONS want, is a non sense/science!
As has been reported, these LNP LOONS want mainstream climate science to be cut from the state's school curriculum. Sorry...theories are not facts...until they are proven. The current best scientific "known knowledge" must be able to withstand criticism and scrutiny...if it can't and is to be judged by a lower standard then just say so. Science is never proven. Are you advocating suspenstion of all science to be taught in schools.? I assume replace by daily prayers . "Oh god, please stop the climate warming".  . I am advocating that climate "science" has the same standards applied. Everything has to withstand scrutiny. Perceptions seemed to be unsure of the difference between facts and theories... You're defecting...come on degree in climatology...just one. How is teaching the facts, as per the current best scientific "known knowledge" & allowing the students & scientists to prove &/or disprove those theories, anything other than best scientific practice?
That's how we progressed from the dark ages & burning people at the stake, to having today's modern society. But, there are always exceptions & Politicians are one large exception!
And, if the above is best practice, then how can these LNP LOONS be achieving best practice, IF they delete the best know knowledge of the time, from the curriculum?
What these LNP LOONS are proposing has nothing to do with learning, teaching or science!
So Tongue1, you've finally accepted that these LNP LOONS are wrong, in trying to delete the best known knowledge of the time, from the curriculum? Even Maqqa & Longweekend, wouldn't try to spin that, as being the correct way to go! Give me a break if someone with a contrary view to yours had data produced by the "best practice" that that you are happy to run with you'd rightly call them frauds. Being highly selective with your data you present does just that...you can't look at a geological eye-blink in isolation without looking at the full picture...or do you say science had no existence before 1900. I have no problem with it being taught as a theory provided it's contextual and where methodology, standards and content are subject to the same rigor as science in general. There is good reason to think that heating will lead to cooling in any case via the collapse of the gulfstream... Warm epochs have invariably been followed by steep declines in temperature. The truth is we live in a period that has warmer conditions and we benefit from that...this is unusual and an anomaly in our climate and that is an indisputable fact not based on projections or supposition but the scientific geological record. You said yourself that nothing will be done in any case so what will happen will happen and there is not a thing you or I can do to prevent it...whatever that may be. If it does not happen you were wrong...if it does the kiddies have something more to read for history. I have said - "How is teaching the facts, as per the current best scientific "known knowledge" & allowing the students & scientists to prove &/or disprove those theories, anything other than best scientific practice? And, if the above is best practice, then how can these LNP LOONS be achieving best practice, IF they delete the best know knowledge of the time, from the curriculum?" How is that wrong? I have also said, many times, that we are reaching the Peak of the current warming and after this period history would suggest a quick decline into a long Ice Age.
The thing is, we are speeding towards this at a quicker rate than we should, as we humans are speeding up the process and this glacial period will be very difficult for humanity, as the last one all but finished us.
At the very least, the top of this warming period, which is being enhanced & sped up, by human activity, will ensure that the lives of the bulk of the planets human population will end.
It will also see the end of the Global Economy as we know it, with neither humanity, nor our Economy has the tools available to it, too survive the extremes of the Planets Climate.
I have also said, many times, that I don't expect things will change, because a large part of the Global Pollies & TPTB want the status quo to continue and they will attempt to achieve the impossible, whilst reality comes home to roost!
THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULD ROLE OVER & LET THEM!
Finally, what happens if I'm wrong & nothing happens?
Well, that's just not possible, because we are coming to the top of the Climate Cycle, so it will Peak & then the big cold will start, it's just a matter of timing and by doing nothing we may get there quicker.
However, if I'm (& a few others) correct and the Global Pollies stop thinking they can hold onto the staus quo & maybe get some self advantage, then we may have some chance?
Slim, I'll admit, but still some chance and maybe we can find some avenues to avert the worst outcomes?
In short, if we want to have kiddies & a history, then we have to pull out our collective finger and we need to do it, quickly! and as usual.... no suggestions, just a collective panic whinge. you are predictable.
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