LNP loons want to burn science at the Stake?

John Howard led the Liberals back to the 1950's where they felt comfortable. After he went they toyed with leaders to take them into the future which ended up as a failed experiment and they went back to Abbnott and the more modern 1960's.

They are almost ready for a moon landing in a few years so don't be too tough on them.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 16^th, 2012 at 7:34pm:


Everything that has ever and will ever happen, is pre-determined, is part of the great plan and therefore choice and freedom of thought, are just an illusion.

There is no god, chaos is the only universal rule and our choices will determine the future of humanity.

Which is more difficult to believe?
Which is more unpalatable?

A dilemma, no doubt!

But, all of which has no bearing on whether Politicians should involve themselves in a witch hunt against the best science of the day, be they Liberal, National, Labor or from The screaming Lord Sutch Party!

But, these LOONS happen to be from the Queensland  LNP and they are suggesting that schools should stop teaching the most widely accepted science on Climate Change, which is set to change to way we live.

THEY ARE LOONS!

This is why the mann-made catastrophic climate change pseudo science should not be taught in our schools and why we do not want or need a green/labor dicatatorial carbon tax.

Peer-reviewed.
Authors Steirou and Koutsoyiannis, after taking homogenization errors into account find

global warming over the past century was only about one-half [0.42°C]

of that claimed by the IPCC [0.7-0.8°C].

The above results cast some doubts in the use of homogenization procedures and tend to indicate that the global temperature increase during the last century is between 0.4°C and 0.7°C, where these two values are the estimates derived from raw and adjusted data, respectively.

Conclusions
1. Homogenization is necessary to remove errors introduced in climatic time
series.

2. Homogenization practices used until today are mainly statistical, not well
justified by experiments and are rarely supported by metadata. It can be
argued that they often lead to false results: natural features of hydroclimatic
time series are regarded errors and are adjusted.

3. While homogenization is expected to increase or decrease the existing
multiyear trends in equal proportions, the fact is that in 2/3 of the cases the
trends increased after homogenization.

4. The above results cast some doubts in the use of homogenization procedures
and tend to indicate that the global temperature increase during the
last century is smaller than 0.7-0.8°C.

5. A new approach of the homogenization procedure is needed, based on
experiments, metadata and better comprehension of the stochastic
characteristics of hydroclimatic time series.



http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/17/new-paper-blames-about-half-of-global-warm...

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jul 16^th, 2012 at 7:47am:


Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 16^th, 2012 at 8:27am:


I agree.  The vacuum was in a state of thermal equilibrium. Good Science mate !

The vacuum (fundamenatal substance) existed, before spacetime and matter. I don't know for how long but long enough for a number of events to occur.

The gravity of this field is not the gravity of today, where energy and pressure are negligible contributors, but where they are the dominant contributors. Perhaps it could be described as not yet having gone thru the phase transition that separates 'then' from today

These are the governing physics of Gravity ....

Pressure gravitates (adds to the gravitational force).
Pressure can have a negative value.
Positive Pressure makes a Positive contribution to Gravity.
Negative Pressure makes a Negative contribution to Gravity.


If the field has a restless urge to seek the smooth state (thermal equilibrium) then once achieved, its energy value would measure zero, and we would measure zero if we measured its rate of change of this value. We would say metaphysically that we found 'nothing' to measure ? If we arbitrarily raised the value of the whole field uniformly, or lowered it uniformly, we would still measure zero/zero across the field. The field when still (or smooth) is contributing the least possible energy it can.

In the electro-weak theory, above 10^15 degrees this field has an average value of zero, all fundamental matter particles are mass-less and all force particles are mass-less as well.

Above 10^28 degrees (grand unified Higgs) photons, gluons, W and Z particles can all be freely interchanged with no observable consequence. Total symmetry. So as the universe cools the field goes thru phase transitions that break symmetry.

Guth was working on the monopole problem, a separate problem, when he found that his calculations were describing a period of inflation. Also many others working independently came across inflation, especially behind the iron-curtain, but initially they lagged behind. Because firstly, they didn't fully appreciate that it solved many other problems, horizon, flatness, etc, but also it had a serious problem itself. If you don't know what the problem is, I'll try to explain it.

In 'seeking a smooth state', it became implicit that a less smooth-state must be allowed. This can be explained by QM, but I digress. As the field goes from un-smooth (is there such a word .. ?) to smooth, equations exist that define the shape of the 'energy bowl', which in its smoothest state would have the field values at the lowest part of the bowl, just as water would settle in a bowl. As the field rolls down the bowl Guth was trying to understand what phase transitions occur (humps in the bowl), fast, slow, could it become stuck, could it be delayed, etc. he thought this was relevant to the monopole problem.

The fields previous random QM fluctuations (un-smooth) have caused the field to cool slightly, this is why its descending to the bottom of the bowl.

Random QM fluctuations now govern the wave front, values may be high here, low over there, but on average the wave front is descending smoothly. Guth discovered that the average value could plataeu momentarily. As the universe continues to cool the field value becomes hung on this bump or plateau. The field has become supercooled, latent with potential ... or a phase transition. Latent energy is increasing but no observable change is occurring. This suffuses all of space with energy and a uniform negative pressure. The latter was Guth's great insight.

Eventually the supercooled Higgs field values, thru QM fluctuations, jumps down to the lower level (off the plateau). But would it happen everywhere in space at the same time? Guth said no, the relaxation of the field to its zero energy value is a process. It drops to zero value at one point and this starts an outward spreading bubble whose 'walls' move at light speed.

Put more simply, when zero energy is reached at a given point, then this value spreads away from that point at the speed of light, or with the passing of the 'wall'. According to Guth many such bubbles would occur as the field stabilised to zero. But all these bubbles would have to join to form a universe with a zero energy inflaton field and because the space between the bubbles was still uniformly suffused with negative pressure which was driving space apart at many times the speed of light, then the bubbles would most likely never coalesce.

Here's the calculation if your interested

Quote:


This equation is what drives expansion at an exponential rate.

So ... if the bubbles never coalesce maybe each bubble is a different universe ? No, this turned out to be incorrect. Guth needed the bubble walls to coalesce because, as the field reaches its zero energy value its energy is not lost, but is converted into normal matter and radiation that inhabits it now. In Guths mechanism this conversion occurs as the bubbles collide and coalesce. But insights by Linde and others corrected all this.

New calculations prolonged the initial inflationary burst so that a single bubble grew large enough to encompass the entire observable universe.

But then it was found that you did not need the whole value of the field to plateau. Instead Random QM variations in the value occur across the field the whole time. When they are small or medium, nothing happens and they revert to the void, but when the value is high (eureka) even in an area less than 10^-33 cm, a cosmic 'friction' sets in, due, I think, to the latent energy conversion that is occurring at the wavefront between the two values. QM fluctuations are governing the wave front's rate of change. This resistance is consistent and causes the field to roll down the energy bowl slowly. This causes the field to contribute a nearly constant energy and a nearly constant negative pressure.

According to the calculations above, this is exactly what you need to drive a period of inflationary expansion. This is called chaotic inflation, and so far as I know is considered the most convincing. The graph below graphically displays the initial fluctuations of the field

Quote:


The microwave cosmic background radiation is around 2.7 k but it does vary. But not till around the fourth decimal point.

So if you measure the temp difference between 2 points in space you will get variations up to 1/10000 of a degree (photons have had to travel thru more and less dense gravitational areas and their energy varies depending on the gravitational fields they have had to overcome)

Using the CMBR (cosmic microwave background radiation) as a 'fossilised record' inflationary theory graphed and predicted the temp variations across a region of space and this graph exactly matches the COBE satellite and WMAP satellite temp measurements.

The long predicted Higgs boson has now been experimentally found ... The Higgs field exists.

!!

Zac da Black

tonegunman1 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 9:04am:


It seems a lot of ppl here think you should know everything and if you dont then you are stupid. Luckily scientists dont think that way. Luckily its not mainstream either.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 9:09am:

Science is not done by consensus, it is done via skepticism and empirical data. The catastrophic climate  pseudo science is done via gate-keeping, homogenized data, non-empirical data and jump on the weather is climate band wagon.


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1342357146/19#19

I want the magic back in our lives!!

Maqqa wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 12:56am:



They do.   Its called "religious studies".