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LNP loons want to burn science at the Stake? (Read 10265 times)
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Re: LNP loons want to burn science at the Stake?
Reply #60 - Jul 19th, 2012 at 6:36am
 
The dogma is the BS about some concensus that does not, has not, will not ever exist.


The so called concensus is just made up out of ideology forces and nothing else. Do you even know how the so called concensus was arrived at.

It originated from an endlessly reported 2009 American Geophysical Union (AGU) survey consisting of an intentionally brief two-minute, two question online survey sent to 10,257 earth scientists by two researchers at the University of Illinois.
Of the about 3.000 who responded, 82% answered “yes” to the second question, which like the first, most people I know would also have agreed with.


Then of those, only a small subset, just 77 who had been successful in getting more than half of their papers recently accepted by peer-reviewed climate science journals, were considered in their survey statistic. That “98% all scientists” referred to a laughably puny number of 75 of those 77 who answered “yes”.

That anything-but-scientific survey asked two questions. The first: “When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?” Few would be expected to dispute this…the planet began thawing out of the “Little Ice Age” in the middle 19th century, predating the Industrial Revolution. (That was the coldest period since the last real Ice Age ended roughly 10,000 years ago.)

The second question asked: “Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?” So what constitutes “significant”? Does “changing” include both cooling and warming… and for both “better” and “worse”? And which contributions…does this include land use changes, such as agriculture and deforestation?


Then we have

Since 1998, more than 31,000 American scientists from diverse climate-related disciplines, including more than 9,000 with Ph.D.s, have signed a public petition announcing their belief that “…there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate.” Included are atmospheric physicists, botanists, geologists, oceanographers, and meteorologists.


Looks to me the concensus, by numbers, is that mann-made catastrophic climate pseudo science is bunk.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/07/17/that-scientific-global-warming-...
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Re: LNP loons want to burn science at the Stake?
Reply #61 - Jul 19th, 2012 at 6:46am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 5:56am:
You teach children what is known now and how to find out more.

SOB


True !!

The Unseen Forest


An unseen "forest" of microscopic beings fills the upper 200 meters of ocean, exerting an influence on this planet every bit as profound as the forests on land. The diverse phytoplankton species inhabiting the ocean's surface waters--which mainly consist of single-celled cyanobacteria, diatoms and other kinds of algae--form the base of the marine food web.

They account for roughly half the photosynthesis on the earth, remove nearly as much carbon dioxide from the atmosphere as all land plants, and supply about half the oxygen we breathe. Without the activities of these free-floating plantlike organisms, atmospheric carbon dioxide levels would triple.

That phytoplankton could accomplish so much with so little recognition from the general public is surprising [see "The Ocean's Invisible Forest," by Paul Falkowski; Scientific American, August 2002]. Even more remarkable, scientists had no idea which microbial species performed the bulk of these vital functions until 15 years ago, when Sallie W. Chisholm of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Robert J. Olson of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution and other collaborators discovered marine cyanobacteria from the genus they later named Prochlorococcus.

They are the smallest and most numerous photosynthetic organisms known and arguably the most plentiful species on the earth, responsible at times for more than half the photosynthesis in the seas. Cyanobacteria such as Prochlorococcus were the planet's first oxygen-producing creatures and are, in a broad sense, the ancestors of all higher plants.

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Re: LNP loons want to burn science at the Stake?
Reply #62 - Jul 19th, 2012 at 6:49am
 
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It’s a fact:
... plastic debris in the oceans of the world negatively affects phytoplankton. Phytoplankton is the ‘sea-grass’ the microscopic vegetation that forms the basis of the oceanic food chain. It is also responsible for much of the carbon dioxide absorption in the world, making it a crucial element in the carbon balance of the planet.

“Phytoplankton are tiny, single-celled floating plants. They inhabit the upper layers of any natural body of water where there is enough light to support photosynthetic growth. They are the base of the ocean’s food web, and their production helps to regulate the global carbon cycle. They also contribute to the global cycling of many other compounds with climate implications.”

The problem is that plastics are invading the world of phytoplankton. As noted by Marquita K. Hill of the book Understanding Environmental Pollution, “Plastics do not biodegrade, but break up into smaller and smaller pieces, and finally microscopic bits. Even tiny one-celled phytoplankton can absorb these bits.”

This view is supported by a recent study published in the September edition of the Journal of Physical Chemistry entitled: Physical Adsorption of Charged Plastic Nanoparticles Affects Algal Photosynthesis.

“Using a CO2 depletion assay, we show that the adsorption of plastic beads hindered algal photosynthesis, possibly through the physical blockage of light and air flow by the nanoparticles..... Such algal responses to plastic exposure may have implications on the sustainability of the aquatic food chain.”

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Re: LNP loons want to burn science at the Stake?
Reply #63 - Jul 19th, 2012 at 6:51am
 
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We understand from recent research that phytoplankton has declined some 40 per cent. All the plastic ever made is still with us; most of it in the ocean where it is killing our world. Phytoplankton’s role is carbon dioxide absorption. Rising levels of carbon dioxide acidify the oceans.

“Even more important are the phytoplankton known as diatoms, the base of the marine food chain. “If they go, it would be like having no grass on land, nothing else could survive,” says Ben Halpern, lead author of a map published in 2008 by the University of California, Santa Barbara. The researchers found that over 40 per cent of the world’s oceans are heavily degraded while less than four per cent are relatively pristine.

“We could trigger a mass extinction on a scale not seen for 100 million years,” warns Richard Norris, Professor of Paleobiology at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography. “Ocean acidification is a bigger problem than global warming.”

From: Ocean-borne plastics may be choking off our air supply
By Michelle Stirling-Anosh
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Reply #64 - Jul 19th, 2012 at 6:54am
 
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Limitations of Noumena



Our biological limitations of perception and judgement of our physical world need to be understood so we can know the noumena beyond our senses and the fallacies in our judgement.

Our biology determines how we accept or block new ideas, thoughts, and the very paradigms needed to understand reality at its deepest levels. We must overcome our physical and psychological limitations.


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Reply #65 - Jul 19th, 2012 at 6:54am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 5:56am:
You teach children what is known now and how to find out more.

SOB


Except that isn't what Labor is doing. It (man-made climate change) is being taught as fact.
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Reply #66 - Jul 19th, 2012 at 6:57am
 
H.G. Wells


Science is a match that man has just got alight. He thought he was in a room - in a moment of devotion, a temple - and that his light would be reflected from and display walls inscribed with wonderful secrets and pillars carved with philosophical systems wrought into harmony.

It is a curious sensation, now that the preliminary sputter is over and the flame burns up clear, to see his hands lit and just a glimpse of himself and the patch he stands on visible, and around him, in place of all that human comfort and beauty he anticipated.... darkness still.

H.G. Wells, 1891
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Reply #67 - Jul 19th, 2012 at 7:00am
 
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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 5:56am:
You teach children what is known now and how to find out more.

SOB


Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 6:54am:
Except that isn't what Labor is doing. It (man-made climate change) is being taught as fact.


What part of this fact shouldn't be taught ?

We understand from recent research that phytoplankton has declined some 40 per cent. All the plastic ever made is still with us; most of it in the ocean where it is killing our world. Phytoplankton’s role is carbon dioxide absorption. Rising levels of carbon dioxide acidify the oceans.

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Reply #68 - Jul 19th, 2012 at 7:11am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 6:54am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 5:56am:
You teach children what is known now and how to find out more.

SOB


Except that isn't what Labor is doing. It (man-made climate change) is being taught as fact.


How do you know? From what ive seen they are teaching it. Theres no mention of the context. Did fox news tell you?

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Reply #69 - Jul 19th, 2012 at 7:17am
 
Mutawintji wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 7:00am:
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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 5:56am:
You teach children what is known now and how to find out more.

SOB


Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 6:54am:
Except that isn't what Labor is doing. It (man-made climate change) is being taught as fact.


What part of this fact shouldn't be taught ?

We understand from recent research that phytoplankton has declined some 40 per cent. All the plastic ever made is still with us; most of it in the ocean where it is killing our world. Phytoplankton’s role is carbon dioxide absorption. Rising levels of carbon dioxide acidify the oceans.

Zac da Black

Why dont you take your plastic action to the right place instead of dribbling little posts about something that has nothing to do with the theory of mann-made climate pseudo science.

If there is not a thread about plastic. Go make one. Everyone around here manages to do that correctly, except you.
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Reply #70 - Jul 19th, 2012 at 7:23am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 7:17am:
Why dont you take your plastic action to the right place instead of dribbling little posts about something that has nothing to do with the theory of mann-made climate pseudo science.

If there is not a thread about plastic. Go make one. Everyone around here manages to do that correctly, except you.


Why isn't it relevant to man-made climate change ?

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Reply #71 - Jul 19th, 2012 at 7:26am
 
Mutawintji wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 7:23am:
progressiveslol wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 7:17am:
Why dont you take your plastic action to the right place instead of dribbling little posts about something that has nothing to do with the theory of mann-made climate pseudo science.

If there is not a thread about plastic. Go make one. Everyone around here manages to do that correctly, except you.


Why isn't it relevant to man-made climate change ?

Zac da Black

What you speak of is environmentalism, not of the pseudo science theory of co2.
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Reply #72 - Jul 19th, 2012 at 7:30am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 7:26am:
What you speak of is environmentalism, not of the pseudo science theory of co2.


I agree that environmentalism is not a pseudo-science. But why would I want to start a thread on pseudo-science.

Aren't you doing enough of that for both of us ?

We understand from recent research that phytoplankton has declined some 40 per cent. All the plastic ever made is still with us; most of it in the ocean where it is killing our world. Phytoplankton’s role is carbon dioxide absorption. Rising levels of carbon dioxide acidify the oceans.

Why is this not related to environmentalism and climate change ? Aren't they one and the same ?

Zac da Black


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Reply #73 - Jul 19th, 2012 at 8:00am
 
Mutawintji wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 7:30am:
progressiveslol wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 7:26am:
What you speak of is environmentalism, not of the pseudo science theory of co2.


I agree that environmentalism is not a pseudo-science. But why would I want to start a thread on pseudo-science.

Aren't you doing enough of that for both of us ?

We understand from recent research that phytoplankton has declined some 40 per cent. All the plastic ever made is still with us; most of it in the ocean where it is killing our world. Phytoplankton’s role is carbon dioxide absorption. Rising levels of carbon dioxide acidify the oceans.

Why is this not related to environmentalism and climate change ? Aren't they one and the same ?

Zac da Black



That question has been long posed about the ideology and the answer would seem to be, yes the climate pseudo science is more closely related to environmental activism than science.
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Reply #74 - Jul 19th, 2012 at 9:16am
 
The far right have politicised the science of climate change.

This makes a very good subject to study at school because it combines science and politics.

If kept as Year 11 and Year 12 subjects, most in the far right would have left school by then, and so wont have their strong opinions brought into question.
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