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Would spot defend the KKK and Nazis?
Jul 17^th, 2012 at 6:22pm

Spot has been quick to jump to the defense of Muslims at every opportunity, on the grounds that criticising them might make them mad.

Even when he brings up the KKK as an example, he fails to see the danger in self censorship as a response to violence from extremist groups.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 12:05pm:

The extremists try to. And nobody has poked the KKK in a while. when they are poked they are pretty nasty. How about lobbying for banning gay marriage, abortion, evolution in schools? That isnt trying to interfere in politics? the "tea party" in america and the pope everywhere are the biggest examples of political interference.

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I have asked to clarify many times whether he would be equally defensive of the KKK or Nazis, or whether Islam is some kind of special case. He has never been able to explain when it is a good idea to criticise extremists and when we should self censor in case it makes them angry.

Going by the example of Avram and others, it would appear that Spot is keen to criticise any kind of extremism and any religion, except Islam.

Why is that?

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Re: Would spot defend the KKK and Nazis?
Reply #1 - Jul 17^th, 2012 at 7:22pm

I just wanna know how "lobbying for banning gay marriage" ie things staying as they are and always have been is considered extremist. It's backwards - never has such an institution so by definition, those loobying for it's introduction are the extremists.

Anyway, if we start athread about all the stupid things SOB says, it'd be the longest thread ever. And then if we expanded that to include the implications of the stupid things he says, you're going to need to get a bigger server.

We could just sum it up and say he criticises everything that the mainstream tells him is OK to criticise. He is so utterly devoid of personality and even the potential for independent thought, that he could be the perfect test subject for the media to gauge how well their messages have been conveyed.

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10266 Gender:	Re: Would spot defend the KKK and Nazis? Reply #2 - Jul 17^th, 2012 at 7:44pm I too would like to hear Spot of Borg's explanation here. He jumps to the defence of Islam quite often, but is remorseless toward Christianity. There's something strange going on here that may be psychological in nature, rather than any upholding of a superior position based on reasoned argument.
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Reply #3 - Jul 17^th, 2012 at 7:47pm

I suspect it is a reflexive response to seeing Abu and Falah getting 'picked on', that has no real connection to whether the criticism is justified or not. He even admitted recently to having no idea what their views are.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 8:25am:

I would prolly say the same thing if you were picking on jews or xtians. they arent ALL like that. We have to live with them. If we poke them with a stick they are going to get riled (any religion) so perhaps the media and governments (and militaries) should stop poking them.

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Reply #4 - Jul 17^th, 2012 at 7:53pm

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 7:47pm:

I suspect it is a reflexive response to seeing Abu and Falah getting 'picked on', that has no real connection to whether the criticism is justified or not. He even admitted recently to having no idea what their views are.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 8:25am:

I would prolly say the same thing if you were picking on jews or xtians. they arent ALL like that. We have to live with them. If we poke them with a stick they are going to get riled (any religion) so perhaps the media and governments (and militaries) should stop poking them.

Yeah, I suspect it is something like that.

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Re: Would spot defend the KKK and Nazis?
Reply #6 - Jul 17^th, 2012 at 9:26pm

Puppet?

My comments about Spot could apply almost equally to you. You both claim to be anti religious, criticise all religions freely except Islam, have trouble acknowledging the nasty things that Abu and Falah have posted here and constantly defend Muslims. Though I don't think I have seen you go so far as to say we should not criticise Muslims in case they go crazy and blow something up.

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Re: Would spot defend the KKK and Nazis?
Reply #7 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 5:50am

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 6:22pm:

Spot has been quick to jump to the defense of Muslims at every opportunity, on the grounds that criticising them might make them mad.

Even when he brings up the KKK as an example, he fails to see the danger in self censorship as a response to violence from extremist groups.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 12:05pm:

The extremists try to. And nobody has poked the KKK in a while. when they are poked they are pretty nasty. How about lobbying for banning gay marriage, abortion, evolution in schools? That isnt trying to interfere in politics? the "tea party" in america and the pope everywhere are the biggest examples of political interference.

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I have asked to clarify many times whether he would be equally defensive of the KKK or Nazis, or whether Islam is some kind of special case. He has never been able to explain when it is a good idea to criticise extremists and when we should self censor in case it makes them angry.

Going by the example of Avram and others, it would appear that Spot is keen to criticise any kind of extremism and any religion, except Islam.

Why is that?

Well pretty obvious in that quote i am talking about extremists Are the KKK extreme? you are calling it "defending islam" when all i am saying is that not ALL muslims are terrorists. Same as not all xtians are in westboro baptist. But i have said this over and over and you dont want to hear it.

Singling out certain ppl for this crap is stupid because i am usually generalising and you keep bringing abu and falah into it. I still havent read many of their posts and i dont think i have defended them i have just pointed out that not all muslims are terrorists.

What is it you want me to do? hate all muslims? Not going to happen. If i were to be in the mindset to hate all muslims i would also hate all xtians and all hindus and thats a fair whack of the world and i dont want to be like you ppl. I dont like extremists of any sort and they seem to come in all sorts but the most popular sorts ands xtian and muslim.

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Re: Would spot defend the KKK and Nazis?
Reply #8 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 5:56am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 7:44pm:

I too would like to hear Spot of Borg's explanation here. He jumps to the defence of Islam quite often, but is remorseless toward Christianity. There's something strange going on here that may be psychological in nature, rather than any upholding of a superior position based on reasoned argument.

This is BS. If its "defending islam" to say that not all muslims are terrorists then WTF. The only times i have mentioned xtianity is in response to an attack on ALL muslims and i have shown you a comparison. Thats remorseless? HAHAHAHA

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Re: Would spot defend the KKK and Nazis?
Reply #9 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 5:58am

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 7:47pm:

I suspect it is a reflexive response to seeing Abu and Falah getting 'picked on', that has no real connection to whether the criticism is justified or not. He even admitted recently to having no idea what their views are.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 8:25am:

I would prolly say the same thing if you were picking on jews or xtians. they arent ALL like that. We have to live with them. If we poke them with a stick they are going to get riled (any religion) so perhaps the media and governments (and militaries) should stop poking them.

You are doing it again - quoting me out of context and lying.

I was obviously not talking about abu or falah there. In fact you keep saying i am talking about abu and falah when i am not. I am simply saying that mainstream muslims are not terrorists. I dont even know abu and falah. I haent had discussions with them and to keep bringing them into discussions is stupid.

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Re: Would spot defend the KKK and Nazis?
Reply #10 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 6:07am

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 9:26pm:

Puppet?

My comments about Spot could apply almost equally to you. You both claim to be anti religious, criticise all religions freely except Islam, have trouble acknowledging the nasty things that Abu and Falah have posted here and constantly defend Muslims. Though I don't think I have seen you go so far as to say we should not criticise Muslims in case they go crazy and blow something up.

You really are a lil dim arent you. Perhaps you should get out in the world sometime. Take a walk around. Take a plane. Go to Malaysia (just dont smuggle drugs). See how you arent dead? See how they treat you with way more respect than you deserve? See how many of them arent blowing up?

Extremists do extremist stuff. the KKK is an xtian extremist group and al-whatever is a muslim extremist group and there are lots of extremist groups of different religions (funny all the extremist groups are associated with different deities).

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Re: Would spot defend the KKK and Nazis?
Reply #11 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 8:46am

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you are calling it "defending islam" when all i am saying is that not ALL muslims are terrorists.

No spot it takes many different forms. Here are some of your stock responses:

not all muslims are terrorists
jews and christians are terrorists too
I have not actually spoken to a muslim about Islam so it must be nice
islamic terrorists are not actually terrorists because we provoked them
don't poke Muslims with a stick or they will get upset and blow something up
You are picking on them
I am just generalising, so I don't have to make sense
it is only OK to make generalised criticisms about Islam, not criticise specific Muslims
you can only criticise christianity, judaism and buddhism, not islam
it is wrong to criticise Abu and Falah because I know nothing about them

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What is it you want me to do? hate all muslims?

Think about what you are saying. Stop posting on autopilot. Maybe even try explaining why you think we should self censor in the face of extremism?

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I dont even know abu and falah.

So why do you keep coming to their defence and insisting that our criticism of them is misguided? How do you know whether they represent mainstream Islam or not?

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Extremists do extremist stuff. the KKK is an xtian extremist group and al-whatever is a muslim extremist group and there are lots of extremist groups of different religions (funny all the extremist groups are associated with different deities).

So why should we not criiticise them?

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Re: Would spot defend the KKK and Nazis?
Reply #12 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 9:18am

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I have not actually spoken to a muslim about Islam so it must be nice

Either i didnt say this or you are taking it way out of context (as usual)

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islamic terrorists are not actually terrorists because we provoked them

I definitely didnt say this

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don't poke Muslims with a stick or they will get upset and blow something up

you changed what I said here

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You are picking on them

Obviously out of context and looks like its changed too

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I am just generalising, so I don't have to make sense

Didnt say that

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it is only OK to make generalised criticisms about Islam, not criticise specific Muslims

Nope didnt say that either. In fact that sounds like something YOU said

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you can only criticise christianity, judaism and buddhism, not islam

You really are a dishonest lil guy arent you

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it is wrong to criticise Abu and Falah because I know nothing about them

You remind me of abbott.

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Think about what you are saying. Stop posting on autopilot. Maybe even try explaining why you think we should self censor in the face of extremism?

I have never said you should self-censor. I have tried to show you that you are wrong. Not all muslims are extremists. same as not all xtians are extremists.

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So why do you keep coming to their defence and insisting that our criticism of them is misguided? How do you know whether they represent mainstream Islam or not?

I havent "come to their defence" I have told you to stop using them as examples in discussions with me and trying to make me judge them when I dont know enough about those particular individual ppl to do so. I do however know about you. You are a liar. A misrepresenting liar. So i take anything you say about them with a grain of salt.

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18626 Gender:	Re: Would spot defend the KKK and Nazis? Reply #13 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 9:45am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 6:07am: Extremists do extremist stuff. the KKK is an xtian extremist group SOB Do you oppose the salvation army sob they are extremist christians? Yes the KKK watch this video-
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: Would spot defend the KKK and Nazis? Reply #14 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 10:23am Quote: Do you oppose the salvation army sob they are extremist christians? Well according to the criteria that started this thread i should now accuse you of defending the KKK. SOB
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