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Re: Would spot defend the KKK and Nazis?
Reply #30 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 2:53pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 11:29am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 10:51am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 10:38am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 10:23am:

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Do you oppose the salvation army sob they are extremist christians?

Well according to the criteria that started this thread i should now accuse you of defending the KKK.

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Do you oppose the salvo's spot they are a christian group check out their website.

I'm assuming that's directed at me.
I never said I don't support the salvo's. I just said that such a good group should not align themselves with a paedophile protecting organisation.

You and sob support Islam

Google Saudi child brides
Google Yemeni child brides

I guess you follow the Islamic thought that i is not pedophilia if you marry a child.

Since when have I ever supported Islam?

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Re: Would spot defend the KKK and Nazis?
Reply #33 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 5:49pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 1:07pm:

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You say it all the time spot.

Nope

Are you trying to take it back spot? Don't you think this deserves some kind of explanation, given your claim that you never suggested self censorship?

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I would prolly say the same thing if you were picking on jews or xtians. they arent ALL like that. We have to live with them. If we poke them with a stick they are going to get riled (any religion) so perhaps the media and governments (and militaries) should stop poking them.

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Why shouldn't I use them as examples? They are ideal examples because if you disagree with me you can ask them. We don't have to make do with a few selected media snippets of things they have said and it is much harder for you to stick your head in the sand and plead ignorance when it is right there in front of you.

For some reason you dont want to know what I am saying and are self censoring it in your head. Either that or you are lying. For 1 thing i have said several times i have lived in muslim countries and had no problems with them. There are muslims in australia who dont cause any problems for anyone. you want to say all muslims are extremists.

It was a question spot. What is wrong with using Abu and Falah as examples? Did you discuss with those Malaysian Muslims whether they oppose freedom and democracy? Did you even find out whether they were actually Muslims?

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If all muslims are extremists then all xtians are extremists too and should be equally shunned.

It might surprise you to know that Abu actually shares your views on this. According to him, anyone who does not share his interpretation of Islam (including stoning people to death and destroying freedom and democracy) is not a Muslim and should probably be killed if they don't keep their mouth shut. He also thinks that anyone who does not share his extremist interpretation of Christianity is not a proper Christian.

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Not going to respond to the rest of my post?

Probably not. Justifying terrorist acts says it all really. Unless you have a better justification?

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Re: Would spot defend the KKK and Nazis?
Reply #34 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 6:09pm

Are you the media or a military? huh?

If you had something to actually say you wouldn't have to misrepresent and lie.

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It might surprise you to know that Abu actually shares your views on this. According to him, anyone who does not share his interpretation of Islam (including stoning people to death and destroying freedom and democracy) is not a Muslim and should probably be killed if they don't keep their mouth shut. He also thinks that anyone who does not share his extremist interpretation of Christianity is not a proper Christian.

Well if you arent lying and misrepresenting him like you do to me then he is obviously an extremist. I dont know this though because i no longer believe a word you say.

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It was a question spot. What is wrong with using Abu and Falah as examples?

I am getting tired of repeating this freeliar (now i know why ppl call you that). Because they are not valid examples if I dont know them and i have your word on what they say. Your word is worth diddlysquat.

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Did you discuss with those Malaysian Muslims whether they oppose freedom and democracy? Did you even find out whether they were actually Muslims?

I lived in malaysia. Most malaysians are muslims apparently. the servants @ my house did stop to stick their bum in the air every now and then. I am not going to ask everyone i meet if they are muslim. However - if they were going to bother me it was pretty obvious i was not a muslim so they would have approached me if they were extremists wouldn't they?

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Reply #35 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 6:41pm

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Are you the media or a military? huh?

Think about it spot. I own a politics website. Also, you have made the same claim plenty of times without restricting it to the media. Are you suggesting that the media should self censor when it comes to Islam but people should not? Or is this just another red herring?

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Well if you arent lying and misrepresenting him like you do to me then he is obviously an extremist. I dont know this though because i no longer believe a word you say.

You could always try asking him. I have given you plenty of links to where he says it clearly.

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I am getting tired of repeating this freeliar (now i know why ppl call you that). Because they are not valid examples if I dont know them and i have your word on what they say. Your word is worth diddlysquat.

That is pretty stupid spot. The whole point of offering an example is to provide evidence that the other person may not be aware of. If we could only use examples we both already knew about we would really just be burying each other's heads in the sand. The point of a debate is not merely to rehash what we already both know.

The amazing thing about this forum is I can give you links to where they said it and you can even ask them for clarification if you disagree. That makes them ideal examples. Don't you agree? Or should we stick to using a bunch of people you saw on holidays who for all we know were not even Muslims, and who you never actually discussed Islam with, meaning you can only offer the wonderful insight that you got out of there alive, minus a bit of cash.

Or is it only possible for us to discuss Islam with each other if we both personally know the same Muslims and carefully restrict every comment we say to those specific individuals?

It sounds to me like you are trying desperately to avoid acknowledging any of the inconvenient realities about Islam by using your own ignorance as an intellectual shield. You use it as an excuse for your ignorance, a validation for remaining ignorant, and as evidence in support of your ignorant generalisations about Islam.

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I lived in malaysia. Most malaysians are muslims apparently. the servants @ my house did stop to stick their bum in the air every now and then. I am not going to ask everyone i meet if they are muslim. However - if they were going to bother me it was pretty obvious i was not a muslim so they would have approached me if they were extremists wouldn't they?

You mean like they did to the Australian tourists in Bali? Or is that an invalid example because you weren't there and know nothing about it?

Is terrorism and violence only a problem when it happens to you? Will you only bring yourself to criticise it when it happens to you?

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Re: Would spot defend the KKK and Nazis?
Reply #36 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 7:09am

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Think about it spot. I own a politics website. Also, you have made the same claim plenty of times without restricting it to the media. Are you suggesting that the media should self censor when it comes to Islam but people should not? Or is this just another red herring?

Its another of your red herrings.

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You could always try asking him. I have given you plenty of links to where he says it clearly.

No you havent. I had an argument with him in some religious thread once and he is a religious nut but he didnt talk about killing me.

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Or should we stick to using a bunch of people you saw on holidays who for all we know were not even Muslims,

You are doing it again. Discussion with you is impossible. I told you i lived there.

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You mean like they did to the Australian tourists in Bali? Or is that an invalid example because you weren't there and know nothing about it?

That doesnt make any sense. Especially with what i wrote. what have indonesian politics got to do with living in malaysia?

You are so dishonest it is very hard to have a discussion with you.

All religions have extremists. Not all muslims or xtians are extremists. Thats all im saying. Thats all i have been saying. you twist it into lots of other stuff but thats it basically.

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Re: Would spot defend the KKK and Nazis?
Reply #37 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 8:14am

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Its another of your red herrings.

It's been the same question from the beginning Spot. Should we self censor in case we make Muslims angry? Are you saying the media alone should self censor? Why do you keep running from this simple question?

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I told you i lived there.

Did you discuss Islam with any Muslims?

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All religions have extremists. Not all muslims or xtians are extremists. Thats all im saying. Thats all i have been saying.

You have said plenty more, like the self censorship stuff. You have just settled on empty headed platitudes in this thread because that is all you can get away with, but as soon as people start ignoring you again you will start up with all the other absurd BS.

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you twist it into lots of other stuff but thats it basically.

Did I make up the bit where you promoted self censorship in case Muslims get angry?

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Re: Would spot defend the KKK and Nazis?
Reply #38 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 8:25am

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It's been the same question from the beginning Spot. Should we self censor in case we make Muslims angry? Are you saying the media alone should self censor? Why do you keep running from this simple question?

Obviously what i mean was what i said if the media provokes them but targeting them all the time they will get angry wont they. Wouldn't you if you were being targeted all the time? the real extremists in other countries are becoming more extreme because their countries are occupied by foreign militaries. you would become more extreme too wouldn't you? Anyway we (as a country) are participating in poking them (figuratively).

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Did you discuss Islam with any Muslims?

Already answered and quoted out of context.

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like the self censorship stuff.

No you said that. You misrepresent and quote out of context.

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Did I make up the bit where you promoted self censorship in case Muslims get angry?

You twisted it to say that when thats not what i said @ all. Liar.

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Re: Would spot defend the KKK and Nazis?
Reply #40 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 11:37am

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Probably not. Justifying terrorist acts says it all really. Unless you have a better justification?

Well terrorist is subjective so lets take that out of the equation.
We attacked them, they attacked back.
I would want the same rights for Australia if we were attacked so then I must reserve the same rights for them.

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Re: Would spot defend the KKK and Nazis?
Reply #42 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 11:49am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 11:42am:

You have defended terrorists before and made stupid ignorant comments which cause you to be banned.

Your opinion is not valid here.

So you are saying its wrong to attack someone after they attack you..?
If my opinion was invalid you would have no trouble debunking it, so rather then attacking me attack my opinion.

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Re: Would spot defend the KKK and Nazis?
Reply #43 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 12:13pm

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Obviously what i mean was what i said if the media provokes them but targeting them all the time they will get angry wont they. Wouldn't you if you were being targeted all the time? the real extremists in other countries are becoming more extreme because their countries are occupied by foreign militaries. you would become more extreme too wouldn't you? Anyway we (as a country) are participating in poking them (figuratively).

But that's not all you said is it? You also said we should stop 'poking' them. You said we should self censor. Or is that 'twisting' your words? Are you taking that back now?

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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: Would spot defend the KKK and Nazis? Reply #44 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 12:18pm FD, Quote: Well terrorist is subjective so lets take that out of the equation. We attacked them, they attacked back. I would want the same rights for Australia if we were attacked so then I must reserve the same rights for them. Why are you scared to answer that?
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