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Reply #150 - Jul 28^th, 2012 at 4:26pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 11:19am:

Quantum wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 9:41am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 7:59am:

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What this forum needs is not a "can do mentality", but a reality Mentality. Too many people have all the answers and no knowledge of the auto industry.
This is why they think that everyone explaining the truth of the situation is making excuses.

The time for excuses is over.
You forget that the body, suspension & just about everything else can be the same.
People just pull out the old engine, transmission etc & replace
it all with a brushless electric motor & battery.
It's not that hard mate.
That's why some people can do it in their home garages.

No it can't.

Electric cars have different weight, weight distribution, and if done properly have the electric motors connected directly to the wheels. This requires total suspension redesign.

Electric cars have the batteries as low as possible to keep the COG down, better cooling, and space saving. This needs a completely different chassis as there is no need for an engine but room needed for these batteries.

What you are talking about are nothing but one off garage jobs. The big manufactures do this all the time. They call them concept cars. They cost thousands, sometimes a few million to make. But when ever they do bring them into production they require massive redesign and testing, as well as huge consideration to cost reduction and manufacturing. This is what cost billions to make happen.

These private garage jobs are significantly inferior to proper manufacturer designed electric cars. They are in no way at a mass production level.

Then how do these backyarders get these EV conversions road worthy and registered to drive on Australian roads if they are so inferior ?

http://www.evcapri.com/new/Kearons_EV_Capri_-_100_electric_car_conversion/Blog/B...

Also did this dude get the billions needed to build EV's ??

http://bev.com.au/

Also what about this mob and their converted Commodores ??

http://www.evengineering.com.au/

Like bobby said the time for excuses is well and truly over !!

Because there are different standards from personal to corporate. This is why you can drive a left hand side wheel in Australia with permission, but Toyota could not sell a left hand drive car. This is why you can make a V8 hot rod, but Ford couldn't sell it due to emission controls. This is why you can build a light little roadster, but Holden couldn't due to safety requirements.

There are different rules applied to manufacturers than to garage jobs. Many of the safety, environmental, and quality requirements do not apply to a privately built car. There is also a huge difference between building a one off concept (often built as you go with little in planning) compared to building a car than can be legally mass produced.

Every manufacturer has built concept cars quickly for little money (often under a million dollars). Yet it cost hundred of millions and often billions to turn them into sellable road vehicles.

Do you think they spend all that extra money just for the fun of it? That they would hire 1000 people for 5 years and spend 3, or 4, or 5, or 6 billions dollars, when it could be made by one person in a garage for 10 or 20 thousand dollars. Really?

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Reply #151 - Jul 28^th, 2012 at 4:48pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 11:26am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 7:59am:

Quote:

What this forum needs is not a "can do mentality", but a reality Mentality. Too many people have all the answers and no knowledge of the auto industry.
This is why they think that everyone explaining the truth of the situation is making excuses.

The time for excuses is over.
You forget that the body, suspension & just about everything else can be the same.
People just pull out the old engine, transmission etc & replace
it all with a brushless electric motor & battery.
It's not that hard mate.
That's why some people can do it in their home garages.

Holden and Ford are like an old computer company that expects to profit out of manufacturing the original IBM XT computer with a 5 MHz 8/16 bit CPU, 256K of memory, a 5 megabyte hard drive and 360K floppy disk drive running MSDOS 2.11 and Windows 1.01. And when nobody wants to buy their sh.t they make lame excuses and go running to the government for handouts to try and make up for the profits they can't possibly ever make !! And when they suck the government in for more money they tell the government they are working on a new version with an 8MHz processor and 10 Megabyte hard drive whilst everyone else has moved on and are using the latest 3.6GHz Quadcore computer running Windows 7 Cheesy

LOL

Would the people here defending Holden and Ford expect tax payers to bail them out if they were making old computers that nobody wanted anymore ??

This is the worse example I have seen yet. I am no fan of Holden or ford, but their cars are technologically on par with anything from Asia, America, or Europe. Why wouldn't they be? A large percentage of the parts in them are designed and built by other companies that also build for many other manufacturers. Or are you unaware that there are hundreds of specialty companies that build transmissions, suspension parts, radiators, electrical systems, and then have contracts to many different brands? You do know that the same company that designs and builds the auto transmission for Ford also builds them for BMW right?

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Reply #152 - Jul 28^th, 2012 at 5:15pm

Quantum wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 4:26pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 11:19am:

Quantum wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 9:41am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 7:59am:

Quote:

What this forum needs is not a "can do mentality", but a reality Mentality. Too many people have all the answers and no knowledge of the auto industry.
This is why they think that everyone explaining the truth of the situation is making excuses.

The time for excuses is over.
You forget that the body, suspension & just about everything else can be the same.
People just pull out the old engine, transmission etc & replace
it all with a brushless electric motor & battery.
It's not that hard mate.
That's why some people can do it in their home garages.

No it can't.

Electric cars have different weight, weight distribution, and if done properly have the electric motors connected directly to the wheels. This requires total suspension redesign.

Electric cars have the batteries as low as possible to keep the COG down, better cooling, and space saving. This needs a completely different chassis as there is no need for an engine but room needed for these batteries.

What you are talking about are nothing but one off garage jobs. The big manufactures do this all the time. They call them concept cars. They cost thousands, sometimes a few million to make. But when ever they do bring them into production they require massive redesign and testing, as well as huge consideration to cost reduction and manufacturing. This is what cost billions to make happen.

These private garage jobs are significantly inferior to proper manufacturer designed electric cars. They are in no way at a mass production level.

Then how do these backyarders get these EV conversions road worthy and registered to drive on Australian roads if they are so inferior ?

http://www.evcapri.com/new/Kearons_EV_Capri_-_100_electric_car_conversion/Blog/B...

Also did this dude get the billions needed to build EV's ??

http://bev.com.au/

Also what about this mob and their converted Commodores ??

http://www.evengineering.com.au/

Like bobby said the time for excuses is well and truly over !!

Because there are different standards from personal to corporate. This is why you can drive a left hand side wheel in Australia with permission, but Toyota could not sell a left hand drive car. This is why you can make a V8 hot rod, but Ford couldn't sell it due to emission controls. This is why you can build a light little roadster, but Holden couldn't due to safety requirements.

There are different rules applied to manufacturers than to garage jobs. Many of the safety, environmental, and quality requirements do not apply to a privately built car. There is also a huge difference between building a one off concept (often built as you go with little in planning) compared to building a car than can be legally mass produced.

Every manufacturer has built concept cars quickly for little money (often under a million dollars). Yet it cost hundred of millions and often billions to turn them into sellable road vehicles.

Do you think they spend all that extra money just for the fun of it? That they would hire 1000 people for 5 years and spend 3, or 4, or 5, or 6 billions dollars, when it could be made by one person in a garage for 10 or 20 thousand dollars. Really?

What on earth are you talking about !!

If backyarders can get EV conversions on the road and registered without spending billions then what's the problem with Holden and Ford ??

They obviously just want the money for the sake of wanting the money Sad

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Reply #153 - Jul 28^th, 2012 at 5:21pm

Quantum wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 4:48pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 11:26am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 7:59am:

Quote:

What this forum needs is not a "can do mentality", but a reality Mentality. Too many people have all the answers and no knowledge of the auto industry.
This is why they think that everyone explaining the truth of the situation is making excuses.

The time for excuses is over.
You forget that the body, suspension & just about everything else can be the same.
People just pull out the old engine, transmission etc & replace
it all with a brushless electric motor & battery.
It's not that hard mate.
That's why some people can do it in their home garages.

Holden and Ford are like an old computer company that expects to profit out of manufacturing the original IBM XT computer with a 5 MHz 8/16 bit CPU, 256K of memory, a 5 megabyte hard drive and 360K floppy disk drive running MSDOS 2.11 and Windows 1.01. And when nobody wants to buy their sh.t they make lame excuses and go running to the government for handouts to try and make up for the profits they can't possibly ever make !! And when they suck the government in for more money they tell the government they are working on a new version with an 8MHz processor and 10 Megabyte hard drive whilst everyone else has moved on and are using the latest 3.6GHz Quadcore computer running Windows 7 Cheesy

LOL

Would the people here defending Holden and Ford expect tax payers to bail them out if they were making old computers that nobody wanted anymore ??

This is the worse example I have seen yet. I am no fan of Holden or ford, but their cars are technologically on par with anything from Asia, America, or Europe. Why wouldn't they be? A large percentage of the parts in them are designed and built by other companies that also build for many other manufacturers. Or are you unaware that there are hundreds of specialty companies that build transmissions, suspension parts, radiators, electrical systems, and then have contracts to many different brands? You do know that the same company that designs and builds the auto transmission for Ford also builds them for BMW right?

It's an appropriate example given the facts.

Exhibit 'A': Ford's green car in the US !!
Cheesy

Exhibit 'B': Fords green car in Australia
Sad

http://www.caradvice.com.au/64732/ford-australia-announcesd-20-million-green-upg...

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Reply #154 - Jul 28^th, 2012 at 5:51pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 5:15pm:

Quantum wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 4:26pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 11:19am:

Quantum wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 9:41am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 7:59am:

Quote:

What this forum needs is not a "can do mentality", but a reality Mentality. Too many people have all the answers and no knowledge of the auto industry.
This is why they think that everyone explaining the truth of the situation is making excuses.

The time for excuses is over.
You forget that the body, suspension & just about everything else can be the same.
People just pull out the old engine, transmission etc & replace
it all with a brushless electric motor & battery.
It's not that hard mate.
That's why some people can do it in their home garages.

No it can't.

Electric cars have different weight, weight distribution, and if done properly have the electric motors connected directly to the wheels. This requires total suspension redesign.

Electric cars have the batteries as low as possible to keep the COG down, better cooling, and space saving. This needs a completely different chassis as there is no need for an engine but room needed for these batteries.

What you are talking about are nothing but one off garage jobs. The big manufactures do this all the time. They call them concept cars. They cost thousands, sometimes a few million to make. But when ever they do bring them into production they require massive redesign and testing, as well as huge consideration to cost reduction and manufacturing. This is what cost billions to make happen.

These private garage jobs are significantly inferior to proper manufacturer designed electric cars. They are in no way at a mass production level.

Then how do these backyarders get these EV conversions road worthy and registered to drive on Australian roads if they are so inferior ?

http://www.evcapri.com/new/Kearons_EV_Capri_-_100_electric_car_conversion/Blog/B...

Also did this dude get the billions needed to build EV's ??

http://bev.com.au/

Also what about this mob and their converted Commodores ??

http://www.evengineering.com.au/

Like bobby said the time for excuses is well and truly over !!

Because there are different standards from personal to corporate. This is why you can drive a left hand side wheel in Australia with permission, but Toyota could not sell a left hand drive car. This is why you can make a V8 hot rod, but Ford couldn't sell it due to emission controls. This is why you can build a light little roadster, but Holden couldn't due to safety requirements.

There are different rules applied to manufacturers than to garage jobs. Many of the safety, environmental, and quality requirements do not apply to a privately built car. There is also a huge difference between building a one off concept (often built as you go with little in planning) compared to building a car than can be legally mass produced.

Every manufacturer has built concept cars quickly for little money (often under a million dollars). Yet it cost hundred of millions and often billions to turn them into sellable road vehicles.

Do you think they spend all that extra money just for the fun of it? That they would hire 1000 people for 5 years and spend 3, or 4, or 5, or 6 billions dollars, when it could be made by one person in a garage for 10 or 20 thousand dollars. Really?

What on earth are you talking about !!

If backyarders can get EV conversions on the road and registered without spending billions then what's the problem with Holden and Ford ??

They obviously just want the money for the sake of wanting the money Sad

Because you are comparing projects (and even just private hobbies) to designing and manufacturing a real mass produced car. Getting an old car and sticking an electric motor in it is nothing compared to designing an all new electric car.

How about you answer the earlier question. If cars can be designed in a small garage for thousands of dollars that are as good (or apparently better) than any other car, then why do the big manufactures spend billions? If it can be done for so cheap why do they waist all that money?

So far the only answer that seems to be given is that their dumb. They just spend for the sake of it when it could be done for sooooo cheap.

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Reply #155 - Jul 28^th, 2012 at 7:28pm

Quote:

Because you are comparing projects (and even just private hobbies) to designing and manufacturing a real mass produced car. Getting an old car and sticking an electric motor in it is nothing compared to designing an all new electric car.

How about you answer the earlier question. If cars can be designed in a small garage for thousands of dollars that are as good (or apparently better) than any other car, then why do the big manufactures spend billions? If it can be done for so cheap why do they waist all that money?

So far the only answer that seems to be given is that their dumb. They just spend for the sake of it when it could be done for sooooo cheap.

Listen Pal,
Have you read the links that Nail has provided?

When some people say that we can't - I say - yes we can.

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Reply #156 - Jul 28^th, 2012 at 7:50pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 7:28pm:

Quote:

Because you are comparing projects (and even just private hobbies) to designing and manufacturing a real mass produced car. Getting an old car and sticking an electric motor in it is nothing compared to designing an all new electric car.

How about you answer the earlier question. If cars can be designed in a small garage for thousands of dollars that are as good (or apparently better) than any other car, then why do the big manufactures spend billions? If it can be done for so cheap why do they waist all that money?

So far the only answer that seems to be given is that their dumb. They just spend for the sake of it when it could be done for sooooo cheap.

Listen Pal,
Have you read the links that Nail has provided?

When some people say that we can't - I say - yes we can.

So if someone says that no matter how fast anyone flaps their arms they will not be able to fly to the moon, you simply say... Yes we can.

There are many things that are not possible, no matter how positive you want to be. Most of the solutions to the car industry on this thread are simply unrealistic and naive. In fact, they are not even actual solutions, but just visions of what they want it to be and reality be damned.

Yes I have looked at the links. None of them are showing anything that is ready to be produced on mass scale. Most of it is just development work, proof of concept, or simply hack jobs. Nothing yet at the level that would be ready to tool up a factory and start pumping them out. Why is that simple fact too hard for some people to grasp?

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Reply #157 - Jul 28^th, 2012 at 10:48pm

Quantum wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 7:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 7:28pm:

Quote:

Because you are comparing projects (and even just private hobbies) to designing and manufacturing a real mass produced car. Getting an old car and sticking an electric motor in it is nothing compared to designing an all new electric car.

How about you answer the earlier question. If cars can be designed in a small garage for thousands of dollars that are as good (or apparently better) than any other car, then why do the big manufactures spend billions? If it can be done for so cheap why do they waist all that money?

So far the only answer that seems to be given is that their dumb. They just spend for the sake of it when it could be done for sooooo cheap.

Listen Pal,
Have you read the links that Nail has provided?

When some people say that we can't - I say - yes we can.

So if someone says that no matter how fast anyone flaps their arms they will not be able to fly to the moon, you simply say... Yes we can.

There are many things that are not possible, no matter how positive you want to be. Most of the solutions to the car industry on this thread are simply unrealistic and naive. In fact, they are not even actual solutions, but just visions of what they want it to be and reality be damned.

Yes I have looked at the links. None of them are showing anything that is ready to be produced on mass scale. Most of it is just development work, proof of concept, or simply hack jobs. Nothing yet at the level that would be ready to tool up a factory and start pumping them out. Why is that simple fact too hard for some people to grasp?

Then what the bugger is this ??? This is the car that Holden will be bringing in by October. Of course it's not being made here Sad

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Reply #158 - Jul 28^th, 2012 at 11:27pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 10:48pm:

Quantum wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 7:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 7:28pm:

Quote:

Because you are comparing projects (and even just private hobbies) to designing and manufacturing a real mass produced car. Getting an old car and sticking an electric motor in it is nothing compared to designing an all new electric car.

How about you answer the earlier question. If cars can be designed in a small garage for thousands of dollars that are as good (or apparently better) than any other car, then why do the big manufactures spend billions? If it can be done for so cheap why do they waist all that money?

So far the only answer that seems to be given is that their dumb. They just spend for the sake of it when it could be done for sooooo cheap.

Listen Pal,
Have you read the links that Nail has provided?

When some people say that we can't - I say - yes we can.

So if someone says that no matter how fast anyone flaps their arms they will not be able to fly to the moon, you simply say... Yes we can.

There are many things that are not possible, no matter how positive you want to be. Most of the solutions to the car industry on this thread are simply unrealistic and naive. In fact, they are not even actual solutions, but just visions of what they want it to be and reality be damned.

Yes I have looked at the links. None of them are showing anything that is ready to be produced on mass scale. Most of it is just development work, proof of concept, or simply hack jobs. Nothing yet at the level that would be ready to tool up a factory and start pumping them out. Why is that simple fact too hard for some people to grasp?

Then what the bugger is this ??? This is the car that Holden will be bringing in by October. Of course it's not being made here Sad

What is it?

A) A car that took years to develop.
B) A car that cost a huge amount of money (with 9 zero's) to design.
C) A car that due to the laws of thermodynamics is actually inferior to a current hybrid in real world use.
D) A car with an expensive price tag.
E) A car that still has a petrol engine!!!!

So what's your point again? How the hell does this show a cheap electric car that can be easily made and will be more popular than a standard petrol car?

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Reply #159 - Jul 28^th, 2012 at 11:47pm

Quantum wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 11:27pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 10:48pm:

Quantum wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 7:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 7:28pm:

Quote:

Because you are comparing projects (and even just private hobbies) to designing and manufacturing a real mass produced car. Getting an old car and sticking an electric motor in it is nothing compared to designing an all new electric car.

How about you answer the earlier question. If cars can be designed in a small garage for thousands of dollars that are as good (or apparently better) than any other car, then why do the big manufactures spend billions? If it can be done for so cheap why do they waist all that money?

So far the only answer that seems to be given is that their dumb. They just spend for the sake of it when it could be done for sooooo cheap.

Listen Pal,
Have you read the links that Nail has provided?

When some people say that we can't - I say - yes we can.

So if someone says that no matter how fast anyone flaps their arms they will not be able to fly to the moon, you simply say... Yes we can.

There are many things that are not possible, no matter how positive you want to be. Most of the solutions to the car industry on this thread are simply unrealistic and naive. In fact, they are not even actual solutions, but just visions of what they want it to be and reality be damned.

Yes I have looked at the links. None of them are showing anything that is ready to be produced on mass scale. Most of it is just development work, proof of concept, or simply hack jobs. Nothing yet at the level that would be ready to tool up a factory and start pumping them out. Why is that simple fact too hard for some people to grasp?

Then what the bugger is this ??? This is the car that Holden will be bringing in by October. Of course it's not being made here Sad

What is it?

A) A car that took years to develop.
B) A car that cost a huge amount of money (with 9 zero's) to design.
C) A car that due to the laws of thermodynamics is actually inferior to a current hybrid in real world use.
D) A car with an expensive price tag.
E) A car that still has a petrol engine!!!!

So what's your point again? How the hell does this show a cheap electric car that can be easily made and will be more popular than a standard petrol car?

So the yanks have got it wrong have they ??

And how much would a Falcon and Commodore be without the billions in corporate welfare paid out to them over years ?

And what happened to the infamous Mitsubishi 380 ?? 600 million down the drain on a cheap petrol car that nobody wanted in the end Sad

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Reply #160 - Jul 28^th, 2012 at 11:59pm

Nail,
Quote:

So the yanks have got it wrong have they ??

And how much would a Falcon and Commodore be without the billions in corporate welfare paid out to them over years ?

And what happened to the infamous Mitsubishi 380 ?? 600 million down the drain on a cheap petrol car that nobody wanted in the end.

Nail,
This Quantum guy is probably Longweekend with a new name.
He has the same negative ideas.

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Reply #161 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 12:03am

Bobby. wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 11:59pm:

Nail,
Quote:

So the yanks have got it wrong have they ??

And how much would a Falcon and Commodore be without the billions in corporate welfare paid out to them over years ?

And what happened to the infamous Mitsubishi 380 ?? 600 million down the drain on a cheap petrol car that nobody wanted in the end.

Nail,
This Quantum guy is probably Longweekend with a new name.
He has the same negative ideas.

they are f.ckwits here in australia. the rest of the world is moving on whilst these f.ckwitss here are still pulling themselves over cars that nobody else wants anymore whilst expecting the tax payer to pay for their delusions of grandeur.

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Reply #162 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 8:45am

Bobby. wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 11:59pm:

Nail,
Quote:

So the yanks have got it wrong have they ??

And how much would a Falcon and Commodore be without the billions in corporate welfare paid out to them over years ?

And what happened to the infamous Mitsubishi 380 ?? 600 million down the drain on a cheap petrol car that nobody wanted in the end.

Nail,
This Quantum guy is probably Longweekend with a new name.
He has the same negative ideas.

Nup.

What is it with people on this forum assuming that everyone else is a sock? Are people that arrogant that when several people tell them that they are wrong, that they then have to conclude that they are all the same person to protect their ego? It could not possibly be that they are simply wrong.

You know nothing about cars but are too arrogant to learn. Your "yes we can" attitude is nothing but ignorance of the true situation. Stop equating knowledge with negativity.

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Reply #163 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 8:50am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 11:47pm:

Quantum wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 11:27pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 10:48pm:

Quantum wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 7:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 7:28pm:

Quote:

Because you are comparing projects (and even just private hobbies) to designing and manufacturing a real mass produced car. Getting an old car and sticking an electric motor in it is nothing compared to designing an all new electric car.

How about you answer the earlier question. If cars can be designed in a small garage for thousands of dollars that are as good (or apparently better) than any other car, then why do the big manufactures spend billions? If it can be done for so cheap why do they waist all that money?

So far the only answer that seems to be given is that their dumb. They just spend for the sake of it when it could be done for sooooo cheap.

Listen Pal,
Have you read the links that Nail has provided?

When some people say that we can't - I say - yes we can.

So if someone says that no matter how fast anyone flaps their arms they will not be able to fly to the moon, you simply say... Yes we can.

There are many things that are not possible, no matter how positive you want to be. Most of the solutions to the car industry on this thread are simply unrealistic and naive. In fact, they are not even actual solutions, but just visions of what they want it to be and reality be damned.

Yes I have looked at the links. None of them are showing anything that is ready to be produced on mass scale. Most of it is just development work, proof of concept, or simply hack jobs. Nothing yet at the level that would be ready to tool up a factory and start pumping them out. Why is that simple fact too hard for some people to grasp?

Then what the bugger is this ??? This is the car that Holden will be bringing in by October. Of course it's not being made here Sad

What is it?

A) A car that took years to develop.
B) A car that cost a huge amount of money (with 9 zero's) to design.
C) A car that due to the laws of thermodynamics is actually inferior to a current hybrid in real world use.
D) A car with an expensive price tag.
E) A car that still has a petrol engine!!!!

So what's your point again? How the hell does this show a cheap electric car that can be easily made and will be more popular than a standard petrol car?

So the yanks have got it wrong have they ??

And how much would a Falcon and Commodore be without the billions in corporate welfare paid out to them over years ?

And what happened to the infamous Mitsubishi 380 ?? 600 million down the drain on a cheap petrol car that nobody wanted in the end Sad

Yes they have got it wrong. The energy lost through petrol to electric is a gimmick. They have simply expanded on the teachology that trains have been using for years and put it in a car. Too bad that in a train it made sense as you can't clutch start a 1000 ton train, but in a car that was never an issue. Hybrids make much more sense than this joke of an overpriced car.

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Re: FORD.R.I.P.
Reply #164 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 9:42am

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Yes they have got it wrong. The energy lost through petrol to electric is a gimmick. They have simply expanded on the teachology that trains have been using for years and put it in a car. Too bad that in a train it made sense as you can't clutch start a 1000 ton train, but in a car that was never an issue. Hybrids make much more sense than this joke of an overpriced car.

The idea is that an electric car can be made for under $20,000
available to the mass market.
It will be a car meant for short trips - under 100 kilometers on one charge.
The energy to charge the battery will hopefully come from
electric solar cells installed on the roofs of houses.
These solar cells will provide energy into the national grid
during the day & energy will be drawn out at night
to recharge the car.

This is already possible now.
Backyarders can build systems like this so multi billion dollar
corporations can do it too.
I want my tax money to go towards projects like that
not corporate welfare to Ford for their low quality gas guzzling rubbish.

Best points - no more addiction to the fossil fuel bowser.
No more giant taxes to pay for fuel -
basically free energy & low maintenance costs.

Bad points - cars only suitable for short up to 100k trips.
Since 99% of all car trips are under 100km it will suit
most people most of the time.

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