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Reply #165 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 10:34am

In the worlds big cities where people spend most of their time locked up in traffic jambs on small trips electric cars will find their footing.
From this and the rising price and scarcity of fossil fuels new technology will develop so within a few decades we will have electric vehicles that travel far greater distances and systems of recharging and battery swapping that make the general use of these vehicles more widely accepted.

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Reply #166 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 11:04am

adelcrow wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 10:34am:

In the worlds big cities where people spend most of their time locked up in traffic jambs on small trips electric cars will find their footing.
From this and the rising price and scarcity of fossil fuels new technology will develop so within a few decades we will have electric vehicles that travel far greater distances and systems of recharging and battery swapping that make the general use of these vehicles more widely accepted.

Thanks Adelcrow,
Poor Nail has been pilloried from pillar to post over electric cars.
It's good that someone else can see the benefit of such cars.

Basically it's a conspiracy by oil companies to keep their profits
with gas guzzling cars.

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Reply #167 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 11:05am

repeat:

Quote:

The idea is that an electric car can be made for under $20,000
available to the mass market.
It will be a car meant for short trips - under 100 kilometers on one charge.
The energy to charge the battery will hopefully come from
electric solar cells installed on the roofs of houses.
These solar cells will provide energy into the national grid
during the day & energy will be drawn out at night
to recharge the car.

This is already possible now.
Backyarders can build systems like this so multi billion dollar
corporations can do it too.
I want my tax money to go towards projects like that
not corporate welfare to Ford for their low quality gas guzzling rubbish.

Best points - no more addiction to the fossil fuel bowser.
No more giant taxes to pay for fuel -
basically free energy & low maintenance costs.

Bad points - cars only suitable for short up to 100k trips.
Since 99% of all car trips are under 100km it will suit
most people most of the time.

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Reply #168 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 11:20am

Quantum wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 8:50am:

Yes they have got it wrong. The energy lost through petrol to electric is a gimmick. They have simply expanded on the teachology that trains have been using for years and put it in a car. Too bad that in a train it made sense as you can't clutch start a 1000 ton train, but in a car that was never an issue. Hybrids make much more sense than this joke of an overpriced car.

The GM Volt is a hybrid you idiot. You obviously missed the point that it can also be plugged into the wall !!

And you call wasting fuel in stop start traffic a great idea !!

And wasting energy during braking by heating up brake rotors and pads instead of capturing that energy back into the system. That's a great idea as well Cheesy

LOL

And NISSAN has got it wrong with their all electric leaf. Cheesy

LOL

And by the way the GM Volt can do a 40 mile commute on battery alone. J Leno owns one and has never spent a cent on petrol Wink

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Reply #169 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 11:24am

adelcrow wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 10:34am:

In the worlds big cities where people spend most of their time locked up in traffic jambs on small trips electric cars will find their footing.
From this and the rising price and scarcity of fossil fuels new technology will develop so within a few decades we will have electric vehicles that travel far greater distances and systems of recharging and battery swapping that make the general use of these vehicles more widely accepted.

Quantum expects Ford to be making Ford Falcons in 20 years time even if nobody buys them because the tax payer will pick up the tab Sad

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Reply #170 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:00pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 9:42am:

Longweekend's sock
Quote:

Yes they have got it wrong. The energy lost through petrol to electric is a gimmick. They have simply expanded on the teachology that trains have been using for years and put it in a car. Too bad that in a train it made sense as you can't clutch start a 1000 ton train, but in a car that was never an issue. Hybrids make much more sense than this joke of an overpriced car.

The idea is that an electric car can be made for under $20,000
available to the mass market.
It will be a car meant for short trips - under 100 kilometers on one charge.
The energy to charge the battery will hopefully come from
electric solar cells installed on the roofs of houses.
These solar cells will provide energy into the national grid
during the day & energy will be drawn out at night
to recharge the car.

This is already possible now.
Backyarders can build systems like this so multi billion dollar
corporations can do it too.
I want my tax money to go towards projects like that
not corporate welfare to Ford for their low quality gas guzzling rubbish.

Best points - no more addiction to the fossil fuel bowser.
No more giant taxes to pay for fuel -
basically free energy & low maintenance costs.

Bad points - cars only suitable for short up to 100k trips.
Since 99% of all car trips are under 100km it will suit
most people most of the time.

You really are useless. The constant accusations of others being socks really says something about your inability to debate.

But what really shows your lack of debating skills is your inability to follow a discussion. The Holden volt will cost about $60,000. That's what I called overpriced, and that was the car my post was speaking about. So what do you do? You highlight my overpriced comment, and then go on a tangent about electric cars for $20,000.

Can you not follow a discussion at all? You seem to be as bad as lastnail, who brought the Holden volt into the discussion in the first place, completely out of context to the earlier posts of garage jobs. The whole thread has become a circle of constant changing goal post.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104762 Melbourne Gender:	Re: FORD.R.I.P. Reply #171 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:08pm Hello - prices go down when you have mass production. You are a pathetic - just one excuse after another.
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Reply #172 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:19pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 11:20am:

Quantum wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 8:50am:

Yes they have got it wrong. The energy lost through petrol to electric is a gimmick. They have simply expanded on the teachology that trains have been using for years and put it in a car. Too bad that in a train it made sense as you can't clutch start a 1000 ton train, but in a car that was never an issue. Hybrids make much more sense than this joke of an overpriced car.

The GM Volt is a hybrid you idiot. You obviously missed the point that it can also be plugged into the wall !!

And you call wasting fuel in stop start traffic a great idea !!

And wasting energy during braking by heating up brake rotors and pads instead of capturing that energy back into the system. That's a great idea as well Cheesy

LOL

And NISSAN has got it wrong with their all electric leaf. Cheesy

LOL

And by the way the GM Volt can do a 40 mile commute on battery alone. J Leno owns one and has never spent a cent on petrol Wink

You really don't know anything. The volt is marketed on the great idea that it has no mechanical connection between the engine and wheels like a current hybrid (which is not actually true but that's the selling point). GM have doen eveythng to avoide having the term hybrid associated with this car.

It is an inferior design to a real hybrid, sold to idiots like you who don't understand even the most basic laws of the universe. Converting energy from;

Chemical>kinetic>electrical>chemical>electrical>kinetic

Is far worse than going

Chemical>kinetic , which is combined with, chemical>electrical>kinetic, that has come from scavenged kinetic energy.

That's why the Prius is far better in the real world than the volt. The volt is a scam that anyone who knows anything about cars has already figured out. A plug in hybrid (A Prius type hybrid, not this Volt you know nothing about that is not a true hybrid) is the best option we have today to meet everyone's needs.

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Quantum Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3373	Re: FORD.R.I.P. Reply #173 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:23pm Bobby. wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:08pm: Hello - prices go down when you have mass production. You are a pathetic - just one excuse after another. Again changing the goal post. Claiming tomorrows advantages today as if it was already a reality. By the way, the Volt is alread mass produced. It still cost $60,000.
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Re: FORD.R.I.P.
Reply #174 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:28pm

adelcrow wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 10:34am:

In the worlds big cities where people spend most of their time locked up in traffic jambs on small trips electric cars will find their footing.
From this and the rising price and scarcity of fossil fuels new technology will develop so within a few decades we will have electric vehicles that travel far greater distances and systems of recharging and battery swapping that make the general use of these vehicles more widely accepted.

Exactly. Electric cars are the future and I look forward to it.

My only arguement is that this day is not here yet. Unfortunately, saying that it will take time on this forum gets accusations of being bought off by oil companies and having an excuss mentality.

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Reply #175 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:43pm

Quantum wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:08pm:

Hello - prices go down when you have mass production.

You are a pathetic - just one excuse after another.

Again changing the goal post. Claiming tomorrows advantages today as if it was already a reality.

By the way, the Volt is alread mass produced. It still cost $60,000.

Listen loser,
I bet the Chinese will come out with a mass produced
all electric car for under $20,000 & sell them by the 10's of millions.
Once again - Australia will miss out because of negative people like you.

OK - lets go your way - you win -
give lots of tax payers money to Ford to make more gas guzzlers. Cheesy

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Reply #176 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:50pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:43pm:

Quantum wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:08pm:

Hello - prices go down when you have mass production.

You are a pathetic - just one excuse after another.

Again changing the goal post. Claiming tomorrows advantages today as if it was already a reality.

By the way, the Volt is alread mass produced. It still cost $60,000.

Listen loser,
I bet the Chinese will come out with a mass produced
all electric car for under $20,000 & sell them by the 10's of millions.
Once again - Australia will miss out because of negative people like you.

OK - lets go your way - you win -
give lots of tax payers money to Ford to make more gas guzzlers. Cheesy

Is that future tense? I wonder why they haven't done it yet? Apparently it can be done right now and Australia is too dumb to bother. I wonder what is holding the Chinese back.

For the record, I don't agree with giving the car makers tax money.

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Reply #177 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:55pm

Quantum wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:00pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 9:42am:

Longweekend's sock
Quote:

Yes they have got it wrong. The energy lost through petrol to electric is a gimmick. They have simply expanded on the teachology that trains have been using for years and put it in a car. Too bad that in a train it made sense as you can't clutch start a 1000 ton train, but in a car that was never an issue. Hybrids make much more sense than this joke of an overpriced car.

The idea is that an electric car can be made for under $20,000
available to the mass market.
It will be a car meant for short trips - under 100 kilometers on one charge.
The energy to charge the battery will hopefully come from
electric solar cells installed on the roofs of houses.
These solar cells will provide energy into the national grid
during the day & energy will be drawn out at night
to recharge the car.

This is already possible now.
Backyarders can build systems like this so multi billion dollar
corporations can do it too.
I want my tax money to go towards projects like that
not corporate welfare to Ford for their low quality gas guzzling rubbish.

Best points - no more addiction to the fossil fuel bowser.
No more giant taxes to pay for fuel -
basically free energy & low maintenance costs.

Bad points - cars only suitable for short up to 100k trips.
Since 99% of all car trips are under 100km it will suit
most people most of the time.

You really are useless. The constant accusations of others being socks really says something about your inability to debate.

But what really shows your lack of debating skills is your inability to follow a discussion. The Holden volt will cost about $60,000. That's what I called overpriced, and that was the car my post was speaking about. So what do you do? You highlight my overpriced comment, and then go on a tangent about electric cars for $20,000.

Can you not follow a discussion at all? You seem to be as bad as lastnail, who brought the Holden volt into the discussion in the first place, completely out of context to the earlier posts of garage jobs. The whole thread has become a circle of constant changing goal post.

So how much were flat screen TV's when they first came out and how much are they now ?? According to your brain dead argument nobody should ever have made flat screen TV's because they were so much dearer than existing CRT technology at the time !

Can you tell me why the GM Volt should be 60K when the Toyota Hybrid Camry sells for around 30K ??

Have you ever heard of economies of scale ?? Obviously not !!

Somehow you think that the only cars that should ever be manufactured are the ones that keep everyone addicted to the fool bowser !! No variations are allowed Sad

You sound like you work for Ford or Holden or you are a grease monkey that has profited out of the unreliability of existing car technology for decades and now you are worried that new electric car technology will make you redundant. To bad, you had a good run out of it !!

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Reply #178 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 3:02pm

Quantum wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:43pm:

Quantum wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:08pm:

Hello - prices go down when you have mass production.

You are a pathetic - just one excuse after another.

Again changing the goal post. Claiming tomorrows advantages today as if it was already a reality.

By the way, the Volt is alread mass produced. It still cost $60,000.

Listen loser,
I bet the Chinese will come out with a mass produced
all electric car for under $20,000 & sell them by the 10's of millions.
Once again - Australia will miss out because of negative people like you.

OK - lets go your way - you win -
give lots of tax payers money to Ford to make more gas guzzlers. Cheesy

Is that future tense? I wonder why they haven't done it yet? Apparently it can be done right now and Australia is too dumb to bother. I wonder what is holding the Chinese back.

For the record, I don't agree with giving the car makers tax money.

They are doing it idiot !! Even Warren Buffet has invested 300 mill into a chinese electric/hybrid car manufacturer. He certainly didn't come here and invest it in Holden and Ford Sad

Look up BYD cars and you'll find plenty of information.

And you obviously dodn't read or watch the 7:30 report on the E-commodore that was designed for Holden by CSIRO in early 2000 and subsequently snubbed by Holden. Of course Holden can't make an electric car in a few months now but they had plenty of time to do it. They had a whole decade to get their act together but their arrogance and control from HQ in the US kept them making obsolete rubbish like the Hummer that gets 3 miles to the gallon if you are lucky. They obviously employ idiots like you in their markeing department.

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Reply #179 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 4:25pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 3:02pm:

Quantum wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:43pm:

Quantum wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:08pm:

Hello - prices go down when you have mass production.

You are a pathetic - just one excuse after another.

Again changing the goal post. Claiming tomorrows advantages today as if it was already a reality.

By the way, the Volt is alread mass produced. It still cost $60,000.

Listen loser,
I bet the Chinese will come out with a mass produced
all electric car for under $20,000 & sell them by the 10's of millions.
Once again - Australia will miss out because of negative people like you.

OK - lets go your way - you win -
give lots of tax payers money to Ford to make more gas guzzlers. Cheesy

Is that future tense? I wonder why they haven't done it yet? Apparently it can be done right now and Australia is too dumb to bother. I wonder what is holding the Chinese back.

For the record, I don't agree with giving the car makers tax money.

They are doing it idiot !! Even Warren Buffet has invested 300 mill into a chinese electric/hybrid car manufacturer. He certainly didn't come here and invest it in Holden and Ford Sad

Look up BYD cars and you'll find plenty of information.

And you obviously dodn't read or watch the 7:30 report on the E-commodore that was designed for Holden by CSIRO in early 2000 and subsequently snubbed by Holden. Of course Holden can't make an electric car in a few months now but they had plenty of time to do it. They had a whole decade to get their act together but their arrogance and control from HQ in the US kept them making obsolete rubbish like the Hummer that gets 3 miles to the gallon if you are lucky. They obviously employ idiots like you in their markeing department.

China are making 10's of millions of electric cars for under $20,000 today are they? Since I'm an idiot for knowing this it must be common knowledge. Got in proof of these 10's of millions of electric cars for under $20,000 that china are currently making? Not cars over $20,000; or only sold in low numbers; or are hybrids. Where is the proof of china making 10's of millions of electric cars for under $20,000 right now today?

The argument of this thread is that Holden and ford should be making fully electric cars because it can be done cheaply, easily, and will increase their sales now. They don't do it because they are too dumb aparently. Now your saying china are selling cheap, fully electric cars, and are obviously selling in huge volumes. If not, how do you expect Holden and Ford to do it?

By the way, didn't know Holden made Hummers under orders by GM. What a blessing to this forum to have someone of your knowledge of the auto world.

As for the electric Holden, I have seen it in the flesh when it was new. But if I got all my information from short reports on TV, maybe I would know as much as you and would have all the answers to the world's problems.

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