Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 29
th, 2012 at 5:23pm:
Quantum wrote on Jul 29
th, 2012 at 5:15pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 29
th, 2012 at 4:59pm:
Quantum wrote on Jul 29
th, 2012 at 4:25pm:
China are making 10's of millions of electric cars for under $20,000 today are they? Since I'm an idiot for knowing this it must be common knowledge. Got in proof of these 10's of millions of electric cars for under $20,000 that china are currently making? Not cars over $20,000; or only sold in low numbers; or are hybrids. Where is the proof of china making 10's of millions of electric cars for under $20,000 right now today?
The argument of this thread is that Holden and ford should be making fully electric cars because it can be done cheaply, easily, and will increase their sales now. They don't do it because they are too dumb aparently. Now your saying china are selling cheap, fully electric cars, and are obviously selling in huge volumes. If not, how do you expect Holden and Ford to do it?
By the way, didn't know Holden made Hummers under orders by GM. What a blessing to this forum to have someone of your knowledge of the auto world.
As for the electric Holden, I have seen it in the flesh when it was new. But if I got all my information from short reports on TV, maybe I would know as much as you and would have all the answers to the world's problems.
So what happened to the E-commodore 10 years ago ? 20 mill of tax payers money in R&D flushed down the toilet so that Holden could eventually make cars that nobody wanted !! Holden Commodore is now the 8th most popular car because nobody wants that sh.t anymore.
You can buy a Toyota Camry Hybrid for 30K. All they need to do is put a plug on it. But of course using your twisted reasoning that feature will bump up the price to 60 K
LOL
As always you continue to ignore the discussion, just changing the points over and over again.
You can not just put a plug on a hybrid. Neither the motors or batteries of a standard hybrid are designed to work that way. The motors assist the engine, they can not drive the car themselves in high energy situations. Likewise the battery cannot hold enough charge for any real distance. Cars designed to run in full electric mode have much bigger batteries and motors.
Again, go learn something about cars and stop talking crap.
[By the way, a Holden volt is $60,000. Fact. Not my reasoning or opinion. Not me pulling number out of my arse like some others on this thread. It is a $60,000 car. Deal with it.]
And the Toyota Camry Hybrid is 30K here in Australia. And I am not making that up either !! Go figure !!
This whole thread is about Ford Australia going down the tube because people don't want their gas guzzlers whilst its parent company marches forward with electric car technology. Go figure !!
You definitely sound like longweekend with the same stupid brain dead argument he uses of because something is not here today it can't be here tomorrow
And btw the Nissan Leaf is here today !! It's getting great reviews everywhere so put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Finally!!! We are now almost there. Don't stop now, keep thinking.
*Parent company is researching electric cars.
*Parent company has billions set aside for R&D.
*Parent company will make new technology deveopled available to domestic divisions of company.
*Domistic division has limited resources.
*Domistic division cannot develop as fast as global rival companies.
*electric cars are not selling anywhere near the same rate each month as your current "gas guzzler", and have less profit per sale. (did you know the Prius used to be sold at a massive loss just to build market share. Of course you can do that when your overall profits are in the billions each year, not when you are struggling to keep in business)
*Domistic division already has a large market for their current car that has only one real rival in that segment. That market is shrinking, but will still have police, taxis, fleet sales, etc on top of normal private sales for at least the next several years.
*Domistic division still imports many different models, so is still competitive to other manufactures in small car/middle car/commercial, etc.
Now look at the points above. If you were in charge of Ford Australia, what would be your short term and long term plans based on that information?
In the short term, anything other than the falcon is suicide. You may go electric in the future, but until then you need to make sure the company is still around. Would any decent business man put all their eggs in the electric car basket in Australian in 2012?
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