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Reply #225 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 1:16pm

Quantum wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 12:57pm:

As I said, I live in Sydney. No need to go to Melbourne to sit in traffic.

But let's try your theory. Let's say it cost me $100 a week to drive my "gas guzzler" (A bit steep, and a lot more than what I actually do pay, but let's give you the benefit here). The Volt is not free to run as you still pay for power and some petrol as well (But let's just say it is free).

Assuming I just bought an equivalant size car to the volt, how many years do I have to drive to start saving money with the Volt?

OK lets say you can run it off electric because your work place is close by but you still have to wade through heavy stop start traffic. You have already invested in a rooftop solar PV array which alot have already done so because they got a good government rebate.

That's getting you as close to commute free as you can possibly can get. That means you are saving $5200 in fuel bills. Plus if it's an all electric car like the Nissan Leaf you are not getting ripped off on the usual service and maintenance !! That's another $1000 a year in savings !!

So you are saving $6200 by not driving a fossil fool car !! By those estimates the car will pay for itself pretty quickly and when they come down to more reasonable prices it will be a no-brainer which cars people will buy in the future simply because they have over populated the place to the shithouse and the infrastructure is breaking at the seems !!

Like I said come to Melbourne and see for yourself !!

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Reply #228 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 4:05pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 1:16pm:

Quantum wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 12:57pm:

As I said, I live in Sydney. No need to go to Melbourne to sit in traffic.

But let's try your theory. Let's say it cost me $100 a week to drive my "gas guzzler" (A bit steep, and a lot more than what I actually do pay, but let's give you the benefit here). The Volt is not free to run as you still pay for power and some petrol as well (But let's just say it is free).

Assuming I just bought an equivalant size car to the volt, how many years do I have to drive to start saving money with the Volt?

OK lets say you can run it off electric because your work place is close by but you still have to wade through heavy stop start traffic. You have already invested in a rooftop solar PV array which alot have already done so because they got a good government rebate.

If my workplace was close by I would live in a unit. Can't put one on there.

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That's getting you as close to commute free as you can possibly can get. That means you are saving $5200 in fuel bills. Plus if it's an all electric car like the Nissan Leaf you are not getting ripped off on the usual service and maintenance !! That's another $1000 a year in savings !!

So you are saving $6200 by not driving a fossil fool car !! By those estimates the car will pay for itself pretty quickly and when they come down to more reasonable prices it will be a no-brainer which cars people will buy in the future simply because they have over populated the place to the shithouse and the infrastructure is breaking at the seems !!

Like I said come to Melbourne and see for yourself !!

You don't need to get electric cars serviced? What was I saying about not knowing anything about cars...

So you save $5200 a year on petrol. Let's call it an even $5000 as who drives to work in traffic on holidays? So $5000 a year on a car that is about $40,000 more than an equiverlant sized petrol car.

8 years of driving! And that's when using a $100 a week as a number. For a more real number; I have a 3.5 V6, I travel 50km a day in traffic to work (25 either way), and my car uses 11 litres every 100km. That's 250km a week for work; about 29 litres of petrol; or about $45 at 1.50 a litre.

$45 a week For a large V6. A little corolla would probably be about $30 a week.

For other people in a similar situation to me, why would I spend $60,000 on a car to save money on petrol when I could get a similar standard petrol car for about 20,000? Why wouldn't I buy a much larger car with more room, more power, for 35,000, and still have $25,000 for petrol at (in my situation) about $2,500 a year. I would have to have a volt for ten years to start saving money on fuel. (not including the cost of any petrol or electricity for the volt, or the extra service cost as only Holden can do it.)

How do these car make economic sense to the average Australian? If you buy one to save money you would be a complete fool.

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Reply #229 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 4:33pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 2:51pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 2:05pm:

I am gutted he doesn't want to buy my Tahoe.

It's not Ford mate, it's GM.

5 liter V8.

why not trade it in for a chinese made Hummer. 3 miles to the gallon !! Suit you perfectly Cheesy

LOL

90c per liter mate, we can afford it.

Nah, I'll stick with a 6 liter SUV.

Shove your EV up your ass.

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Reply #230 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 4:59pm

Quantum wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 4:05pm:

You don't need to get electric cars serviced? What was I saying about not knowing anything about cars...

So you save $5200 a year on petrol. Let's call it an even $5000 as who drives to work in traffic on holidays? So $5000 a year on a car that is about $40,000 more than an equiverlant sized petrol car.

8 years of driving! And that's when using a $100 a week as a number. For a more real number; I have a 3.5 V6, I travel 50km a day in traffic to work (25 either way), and my car uses 11 litres every 100km. That's 250km a week for work; about 29 litres of petrol; or about $45 at 1.50 a litre.

$45 a week For a large V6. A little corolla would probably be about $30 a week.

For other people in a similar situation to me, why would I spend $60,000 on a car to save money on petrol when I could get a similar standard petrol car for about 20,000? Why wouldn't I buy a much larger car with more room, more power, for 35,000, and still have $25,000 for petrol at (in my situation) about $2,500 a year. I would have to have a volt for ten years to start saving money on fuel. (not including the cost of any petrol or electricity for the volt, or the extra service cost as only Holden can do it.)

How do these car make economic sense to the average Australian? If you buy one to save money you would be a complete fool.

Apart from tyres, suspension and a little bit of the brakes what do you need to get serviced on an electric car ??

EV's have regenerative braking so they don't wear out as quickly as a normal useless fossil fool car that can't possibly recover any energy loss during braking !!

Only an idiot would tell everyone that a 50K EV won't come down in price as the economies of scale increase. Look who knows so little about cars !! You're just hoping they won't come down in price so that you keep ripping people off on oil changes. To bad sucker. EV's will come down in price for the same reason that flat screen TV's came down in price.

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Reply #231 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 5:08pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 4:33pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 2:51pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 2:05pm:

I am gutted he doesn't want to buy my Tahoe.

It's not Ford mate, it's GM.

5 liter V8.

why not trade it in for a chinese made Hummer. 3 miles to the gallon !! Suit you perfectly Cheesy

LOL

90c per liter mate, we can afford it.

Nah, I'll stick with a 6 liter SUV.

Shove your EV up your ass.

and you can shove your oil changes up your arse !! EV's don't need them !!

In fact look at all the things you don't need to get serviced or replaced on an EV.

- No ripoff petrol
- No getting ripped off on service and maintenance
- No oil changes
- No oil filter to dispose of
- No filthy carcinogenic sump oil to dispose of
- No transmission to pack up and maintain
- No spark plugs to change
- No timing belt to change
- No fuel filter to change
- No radiator and hoses to change
- No expensive coolant flushes
- No fuel injectors to pack up
- No problems with contaminated fuel
- No exhaust pipe to change
- No toxic tail pipe emissions
- No green house gas emissions
- No catalytic converter
- Create your own energy at home using your own rooftop PV array
- Silent operation
- No wars faught over oil
- No environmentally damaging oil spills
- regenerative braking recovers lost energy when braking
- reduction in brake maintenance due to regenerative braking

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Verge Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6329 Gender:	Re: FORD.R.I.P. Reply #232 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 6:08pm Speaking of all those things how is your electric car going that you ordered nail?
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Reply #233 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 6:18pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 12:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 12:33pm:

So I guess you HAVENT bought and EV yet. Do you have any idea how silly that makes you sound? All of your raving about the superiority of EVs yet you wont buy one. And you cant complain that they arent available because they are. The only POSSIBLE conclusion is that you think like the rest of us that the current EVs are pretty useless. So why not come out and say it?

LAST NAIL THINKS THAT CURRENT EVS ARE NO GOOD AND NOT WORTH BUYING.

prove me wrong.

Because I don't need another car at the moment but hopefully when I need to upgrade there will be plenty of EV's and hybrids to choose from and at competitive prices Wink

what a truly weak excuse... if you ahd the courasge of yoru convictions you would have already bought an EV to replace your current crap 'fossil-fool' car that you say sucks so much. so go on. show a set of balls and actually buy an AV

but you wont because you are all noise and most us will own proper EVs long before you do.

tyre-kicker.

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Reply #234 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 6:19pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 1:16pm:

Quantum wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 12:57pm:

As I said, I live in Sydney. No need to go to Melbourne to sit in traffic.

But let's try your theory. Let's say it cost me $100 a week to drive my "gas guzzler" (A bit steep, and a lot more than what I actually do pay, but let's give you the benefit here). The Volt is not free to run as you still pay for power and some petrol as well (But let's just say it is free).

Assuming I just bought an equivalant size car to the volt, how many years do I have to drive to start saving money with the Volt?

OK lets say you can run it off electric because your work place is close by but you still have to wade through heavy stop start traffic. You have already invested in a rooftop solar PV array which alot have already done so because they got a good government rebate.

That's getting you as close to commute free as you can possibly can get. That means you are saving $5200 in fuel bills. Plus if it's an all electric car like the Nissan Leaf you are not getting ripped off on the usual service and maintenance !! That's another $1000 a year in savings !!

So you are saving $6200 by not driving a fossil fool car !! By those estimates the car will pay for itself pretty quickly and when they come down to more reasonable prices it will be a no-brainer which cars people will buy in the future simply because they have over populated the place to the shithouse and the infrastructure is breaking at the seems !!

Like I said come to Melbourne and see for yourself !!

and just imagine what it would be like if people actually wanted to drive somewhere other than the commute???

and they do!!!

idiot.

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Reply #235 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 6:20pm

Quantum wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 12:57pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 11:58am:

Quantum wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 9:20am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 1:05am:

Quantum wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 6:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 6:09pm:

Hi Nail,
We caught Longweekend out using another name - Quantum - Grin

I believe longweekend lives in Adelaide? (I think I saw him say that once) I live in Sydney. I am happy for any moderator to check my ISP.

These continuous accusations of socks makes this forum look like it is full of paranoid retards. So far I have been acused of being matty, freediver, and longweekend.

Could it be that there is more than one person that thinks your a self appointed know it all fool? Would it be so shattering to your world view to find out that there are many people who disagree with you that you have to pretend they are all the same person?

I don't care who the bugger you are. Your argument is the same as madweekend's and that if an EV doesn't suit his or your ridiculous needs then nobody else should have one. Like I have said to him many times before is to bring his gas guzzling ford piece of sh,t to melbourne and drive it in melborne peak hour traffic each day for a month which is what most working people do. Lets see how much juice you have left in the tank at the end of the week Wink

Whatever EV technology is presented to you will always find a fault with it and tell everyone that it is not ready yet so they have to wait another 10 years before they can have it. That attitude spells aussie low achieving wanker !!

If you believe that your an idiot. The only person forcing anything on anyone is you. You keep making these stupid comments about people driving gas guzzlers and being bought off by oil companies for not running out and buying an electric car. You want ford and Holden to stop everything and start making electric cars when there is nothing stopping them from selling electric cars produced by the parents companies, which is what we are starting to see happen already.

If you want an electric car, go buy one. No one is stopping you. Buy if you don't have one, and your still driving a "gas guzzler", then why should everyone drop everything and accommodate your stupid vision? Put your money where your mouth is!

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Like I have said to him many times before is to bring his gas guzzling ford piece of sh,t to melbourne and drive it in melborne peak hour traffic each day for a month which is what most working people do. Lets see how much juice you have left in the tank at the end of the week

But at least he can drive his gas guzzling Ford to Melbourne. Try getting an electic car from one capital city to another in Australia.

Maybe that's not a bad bet. He drives his petrol car to your city and drives around for a few hours and then drives home. You drive your electic car (surely you already have one, right?) to his home city, drive around for a few hours and then drive home. He can show you his petrol reciet and any money spent on food and accommodation, and then you can do the same. Let's see who gets home first and who has the bigger bill...

Who drives from one capital city to another just to go to work ?? Smiley

Come to melbourne and see what it is like to drive to work each day and then check what's left in the tank at the end of the week or day !! It costs a fortune to drive a gas guzzler in stop start traffic but somehow in your small mind you can rationalize that as an imaginary cost !!

If you need long range that is exactly what the GM Volt does. If you only do short commutes which is what 80% of people do then you can run the GM Volt purely on battery and not spend a cent on fool.

But of course as soon as it's a car that uses an electric drive train then you have 101 brain dead reasons why it's no good for anyone.

As I said, I live in Sydney. No need to go to Melbourne to sit in traffic.

But let's try your theory. Let's say it cost me $100 a week to drive my "gas guzzler" (A bit steep, and a lot more than what I actually do pay, but let's give you the benefit here). The Volt is not free to run as you still pay for power and some petrol as well (But let's just say it is free).

Assuming I just bought an equivalant size car to the volt, how many years do I have to drive to start saving money with the Volt?

for a comparison, the Prius takes 24 years of fuel savings to cover the extra cost of the vehciwel inthe first place.

hardly economic.

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Reply #236 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 6:22pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 6:18pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 12:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 12:33pm:

So I guess you HAVENT bought and EV yet. Do you have any idea how silly that makes you sound? All of your raving about the superiority of EVs yet you wont buy one. And you cant complain that they arent available because they are. The only POSSIBLE conclusion is that you think like the rest of us that the current EVs are pretty useless. So why not come out and say it?

LAST NAIL THINKS THAT CURRENT EVS ARE NO GOOD AND NOT WORTH BUYING.

prove me wrong.

Because I don't need another car at the moment but hopefully when I need to upgrade there will be plenty of EV's and hybrids to choose from and at competitive prices Wink

what a truly weak excuse... if you ahd the courasge of yoru convictions you would have already bought an EV to replace your current crap 'fossil-fool' car that you say sucks so much. so go on. show a set of balls and actually buy an AV

but you wont because you are all noise and most us will own proper EVs long before you do.

tyre-kicker.

so why don't you put your money where your mouth is and buy a house ??

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Reply #238 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 6:24pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 6:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 6:18pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 12:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 12:33pm:

So I guess you HAVENT bought and EV yet. Do you have any idea how silly that makes you sound? All of your raving about the superiority of EVs yet you wont buy one. And you cant complain that they arent available because they are. The only POSSIBLE conclusion is that you think like the rest of us that the current EVs are pretty useless. So why not come out and say it?

LAST NAIL THINKS THAT CURRENT EVS ARE NO GOOD AND NOT WORTH BUYING.

prove me wrong.

Because I don't need another car at the moment but hopefully when I need to upgrade there will be plenty of EV's and hybrids to choose from and at competitive prices Wink

what a truly weak excuse... if you ahd the courasge of yoru convictions you would have already bought an EV to replace your current crap 'fossil-fool' car that you say sucks so much. so go on. show a set of balls and actually buy an AV

but you wont because you are all noise and most us will own proper EVs long before you do.

tyre-kicker.

so why don't you put your money where your mouth is and buy a house ??

ive already got on. you dont. i dont want a second house.

but you are an incredible hypocrite constantly complaining about EVs and everyone saying they are crap when YOU ARE SAYING THEY ARE CRAP as well. After all, if they weren'e crap you would own one, right??

and to think you claimed to be 'australias leading expert on EVs' LOL

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Reply #239 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 6:26pm

Verge wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 6:08pm:

Speaking of all those things how is your electric car going that you ordered nail?

i never ordered anything idiot. I told you bullshit because that's all you deserve Wink

Here, I 've got an idea for you. Why don't you buy another ford falcon and help oput your mates at ford so they can they can stay here and steal more money from tax payers Cheesy

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