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Reply #345 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 4:13pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 2:48pm:

As opposed to wasting energy that they have spent charging.
And how will we power the electricity to provide the cars?

Oh yeah - coal fired electricity plants.

You Green Warrior you....

Plus the clean energy that is fed into the grid from rooftop PV arrays and other reneable energy sources,

Plus the energy that is recovered through regenerative braking which is totally thrown away in a fossil fool cars,

Plus the energy that is saved when stationary in traffic which is completely wasted in a fossil fool car,

Minus the pollution because of the complete absence of a tail pipe,

If you clean up the grid you clean up emissions when using electric cars. You can't say the same about your stinken SUV clunker can you ?

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Reply #346 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 4:27pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 3:03pm:

I work for a petroleum company.

That is the argument I shall be taking.

Yes but to assume all electricity is produced through burning coal and always will be is wrong.
There is nothing stopping anyone from charging their car from the solar cells on their roof and if that person lives in one of the worlds many busy built up cities and like many people mainly travels a few hundred stop start kms a week an electric car is all they will need.
Im also betting that as prices come down and new breakthroughs in battery technology comes through electric cars will replace most fossil fueled powered vehicles steadily over the next 50 yrs.

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Reply #347 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 4:31pm

The problem with electric cars - and don't think there is no research on it at energy companies like mine - is that they serve a solitary purpose.

The petroleum fired car is multi-purpose.

I can drive around in slow moving San Diego traffic yeah sure - but I can also drive up to San Francisco, across to Nevada etc etc - hell I can take the thing over to Washington if I like - I simply have to fill up (taking 2 mins) and I am away.

If I have an electric car I can't.

In fact what about in the mornings, if I was flustered the night before and forget to charge it up?

"Sorry boss I can't make it in, I haven't charged my car"?
Yet with a petrol car, "sh*t I forgot, drive to garage, boom, filled up"

The electric car has its pluses - but right not it has huge drawbacks and is not suitable for the mass market.

I want one car that does everything for me. The electric doesn't.

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Reply #348 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 4:41pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 4:31pm:

The problem with electric cars - and don't think there is no research on it at energy companies like mine - is that they serve a solitary purpose.

The petroleum fired car is multi-purpose.

I can drive around in slow moving San Diego traffic yeah sure - but I can also drive up to San Francisco, across to Nevada etc etc - hell I can take the thing over to Washington if I like - I simply have to fill up (taking 2 mins) and I am away.

If I have an electric car I can't.

In fact what about in the mornings, if I was flustered the night before and forget to charge it up?

"Sorry boss I can't make it in, I haven't charged my car"?
Yet with a petrol car, "sh*t I forgot, drive to garage, boom, filled up"

The electric car has its pluses - but right not it has huge drawbacks and is not suitable for the mass market.

I want one car that does everything for me. The electric doesn't.

I agree with you but time will change that.
Im not thinking today or tomorrow..Im thinking of the next few decades.

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Reply #349 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 4:43pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 4:31pm:

The problem with electric cars - and don't think there is no research on it at energy companies like mine - is that they serve a solitary purpose.

The petroleum fired car is multi-purpose.

I can drive around in slow moving San Diego traffic yeah sure - but I can also drive up to San Francisco, across to Nevada etc etc - hell I can take the thing over to Washington if I like - I simply have to fill up (taking 2 mins) and I am away.

If I have an electric car I can't.

In fact what about in the mornings, if I was flustered the night before and forget to charge it up?

"Sorry boss I can't make it in, I haven't charged my car"?
Yet with a petrol car, "sh*t I forgot, drive to garage, boom, filled up"

The electric car has its pluses - but right not it has huge drawbacks and is not suitable for the mass market.

I want one car that does everything for me. The electric doesn't.

And sh.t I left the lights on and the car is stuck in my garage !! What do I tell the boss then ??

And the car you want to drive uses a non renewable and polluting energy source that is expensive and requires constant and expensive maintenance. Surely that is not the future !!

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: FORD.R.I.P. Reply #350 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 4:52pm You kind of notice if you have left your lights on all night..... Stupid response. Electric cars are limited. Face it. I should know. Our company holds the IP rights to several areas of electric vehicles for research reasons.
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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: FORD.R.I.P. Reply #351 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 5:00pm Whether you like it or not Andrei your not gonna be driving petrol vehicles forever so its not a bad time to be looking at alternatives and unless they can get hydrogen cars up and running research on rechargeable electric cars are the go for now.
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Reply #352 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 5:14pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 4:52pm:

You kind of notice if you have left your lights on all night.....

Stupid response.

Electric cars are limited. Face it.

I should know. Our company holds the IP rights to several areas of electric vehicles for research reasons.

Do you ?? Then how come people still do it all of time and a flat battery is a major call out for roadside assist ?

You're just trying to make mountain out of a mole hill because EV's like the Nissan Leaf use modern technology to alert you to charge up the car. If you are stupid enough to ignore them then you deserve to lose your job !!

And I ask you again what is the economic sense in driving a V8 SUV in peak hour stop start traffic where money literally gets thrown out of the tail pipe ??

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Reply #353 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 7:21pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 12:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2012 at 8:27pm:

Nail,
Quote:

like you said the chinese will make them and ship them here cheap because they have no allegiance to the oil industry and/or existing oil dependent technology. As usual Australia will have missed out on producing an all australian designed electric car because the government was too busy giving away our money to foreign car corporations that couldn't give a sh.t about this country

Yes Nail,
You can bet your bottom dollar that the Chinese are working night & day
on a cheap reliable electric car for mass production.
This will be a revolution that will change the whole world
& leave us in Western countries in the dust.
Fancy not being dependent on oil for the first time in modern history!

Look up to the Chinese.

describing you as an idiot is just so inadequate...

No form of debate - just a slur.
That's all we can expect from Longweekend.
What a pathetic loser.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104630 Melbourne Gender:	Re: FORD.R.I.P. Reply #354 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 7:37pm Andrei, Quote: The electric car has its pluses - but right not it has huge drawbacks and is not suitable for the mass market. What about masses of people using up all the worlds fossil fuels? You haven't got it yet Andrei. One day the penny will drop.
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Reply #355 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 7:38pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 4:13pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 2:48pm:

As opposed to wasting energy that they have spent charging.
And how will we power the electricity to provide the cars?

Oh yeah - coal fired electricity plants.

You Green Warrior you....

Plus the clean energy that is fed into the grid from rooftop PV arrays and other reneable energy sources,

Plus the energy that is recovered through regenerative braking which is totally thrown away in a fossil fool cars,

Plus the energy that is saved when stationary in traffic which is completely wasted in a fossil fool car,

Minus the pollution because of the complete absence of a tail pipe,

If you clean up the grid you clean up emissions when using electric cars. You can't say the same about your stinken SUV clunker can you ?

Hi Nail,
Andrei doesn't understand & he never will.

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Reply #356 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 7:48pm

adelcrow wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 4:27pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 3:03pm:

I work for a petroleum company.

That is the argument I shall be taking.

Yes but to assume all electricity is produced through burning coal and always will be is wrong.
There is nothing stopping anyone from charging their car from the solar cells on their roof and if that person lives in one of the worlds many busy built up cities and like many people mainly travels a few hundred stop start kms a week an electric car is all they will need.
Im also betting that as prices come down and new breakthroughs in battery technology comes through electric cars will replace most fossil fueled powered vehicles steadily over the next 50 yrs.

And that is reasonable, but the thrust of the argument from lastnail seems to be to hate the fact that they arent here now or in the last 5 years. I want a flying car too like Back to the Future... the fact that the technology doesnt exist should not impede my wishes, correct? I am entitled to have one (and for $20,000) and Ford should be required to build one.

its hard to take the EV evangelistic position seriously. I buy a car because of what it can do and how it meets my needs. I object to being told I should have to drive an EV when the stupid things dont meet my needs (or anyone elses).

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Reply #357 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 7:53pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 4:43pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 4:31pm:

The problem with electric cars - and don't think there is no research on it at energy companies like mine - is that they serve a solitary purpose.

The petroleum fired car is multi-purpose.

I can drive around in slow moving San Diego traffic yeah sure - but I can also drive up to San Francisco, across to Nevada etc etc - hell I can take the thing over to Washington if I like - I simply have to fill up (taking 2 mins) and I am away.

If I have an electric car I can't.

In fact what about in the mornings, if I was flustered the night before and forget to charge it up?

"Sorry boss I can't make it in, I haven't charged my car"?
Yet with a petrol car, "sh*t I forgot, drive to garage, boom, filled up"

The electric car has its pluses - but right not it has huge drawbacks and is not suitable for the mass market.

I want one car that does everything for me. The electric doesn't.

And sh.t I left the lights on and the car is stuck in my garage !! What do I tell the boss then ??

And the car you want to drive uses a non renewable and polluting energy source that is expensive and requires constant and [highlight]expensive maintenance[/highlight]. Surely that is not the future !!

ah... the old failed argument which somehow has people believing that the only maintenance ever done on a car is the engine. forgetting, the brakes, chassis, steering, accessories, body etc. and while electric motors are simpler, the idea that they willbe maintenance free is simplistic as is the notion that transmissions (yes EVs still have them in simpler form) are maintenance free is childish.

perhaps the only EV you have ever seen (or driven) is a remote-control toy car. it certainly sounds like it.

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Reply #359 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 7:57pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 5:14pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 4:52pm:

You kind of notice if you have left your lights on all night.....

Stupid response.

Electric cars are limited. Face it.

I should know. Our company holds the IP rights to several areas of electric vehicles for research reasons.

Do you ?? Then how come people still do it all of time and a flat battery is a major call out for roadside assist ?

You're just trying to make mountain out of a mole hill because EV's like the Nissan Leaf use modern technology to alert you to charge up the car. If you are stupid enough to ignore them then you deserve to lose your job !!

And I ask you again what is the economic sense in driving a V8 SUV in peak hour stop start traffic where money literally gets thrown out of the tail pipe ??

You of all people want to debate 'economic sense'???

I needed that laugh...

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