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50K in Australia and 30K in the states - for the same car


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50K in Australia and 30K in the states - for the same car


What's going on?


This is what is going on Sad

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Shopping online can save a fortune, but you can save even more if you shop as an American to access cheap online stores that are off limits to us.

It seems when it comes to shopping Australians are being treated like second class citizens, paying a first class price.

Cortney Thomson is always online, which means she can always shop. She bypasses the Aussie stores and sites and saves money by shopping as an American.

“On the Australian Clinique website you have a 30 mililitre foundation for $50 ,and then you've got the exact same product in the US retailing at $26 - double the price for an Australian,” Thomson said.

“The only thing that changes is if you put a ‘dot au’ after it, the price goes up.”

According to retail equity analyst at Citi Craig Woolford “the online phenomenon is just a fantastic tool for shoppers to discover prices quickly.

“I can sit at my computer in Sydney and understand what prices are being offered in US retail stores, in UK retail stores or anywhere in Asia.”

Today Tonight's latest consumer stories

And when you do the comparisons, it turns out that Aussies always pay more.

Buying a Dermalogica product of the brand's US site you'll pay $35. The same product on the Australian website is $65. Online at lego.com it’s $19.99 for a Wolverine helicopter, but change the country location to Australia and the product is $49.99.

Australian band The Temper Trap's latest album will set you back $20.99 on Australian iTunes; but change your country location and the US and you get a better deal at $10.99 for Aussie homegrown music.

More stories from reporter Rodney Lohse

Many foreign websites will either outright block Australian users or not accept their credit cards, or simply refuse to ship here.

This kind of pricing has gone unexplained for years, but that may be about to change. “

Federal MP Ed Husic has championed the consumers' cause against price discrimination. “An inquiry will establish if a difference exists, why it exists, and importantly what can be done to get a better deal for consumers and for businesses,” Husic said.

“If suppliers are able to shop across the world for the supply of goods and services to improve their bottom line, then I reckon Aussie consumers should be entitled to do exactly the same.”

“There probably will be changes and crackdowns in the way goods are received into the country, but until that happens, there's always going to be a loophole,” online shopper Thomson said.

It’s a loophole of which more Australians are taking advantage. By using third party buying sites or re-mailers, Australians can buy a product via a separate company, have it shipped to an America address, and then have it reshipped here.

Websites like Hop Shop Go will get you around any Australian discrimination and Thomson uses them frequently.

“These Denon headphones I bought online from the US door-to-door $280, but from an Australian online website they were $400,” she said.

And it's catching on. Last year international online sales were up 40 per cent to $4 billion, while local online sales accounted for $8 billion - but only up 25 per cent.

Woolford says brand owners are part of the reason we pay more.

“In the industry we call it ‘channel management’. So over many, many years there's always price differences that existed between different countries for the same product,” he explained.

Brands predetermine what regions will pay for different products. They can also decide some markets will access a product exclusively, removing international competition. They can also control what price a consumer pays for a product depending on where and how they try to buy it. They write their own rules and they decide that Australia pays more.

We pay more because they know we will - we've been conditioned.

“This term is called ‘price harmonisation’. The harmonisation is a difficult process for the Australian retailers because it may mean that their revenues go backwards if prices come down,” Woolford said.

But as more people look offshore and find ways around shopping road blocks that will happen anyway.

“I would say to Australian stockists and retailers - if you want us to buy from Australia, you have to give us a reason to, you can't forget why we would come to you: value for money and customer service -something more that we can't get from buying it overseas,” Thomson advised.
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Reply #407 - Aug 4th, 2012 at 2:43pm
 
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We pay more because they know we will - we've been conditioned.


My God - we get butt slammed by sales people in Australia.
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Reply #408 - Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:07pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 2:22pm:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:56pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:41am:
perceptions_now wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:23am:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:11am:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:08am:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 8:51pm:
Good question but there is no doubt that the major oil fields are well in decline.


Just as there is no doubt that the NEW oil fields are significantly BIGGER than the current ones. It is such a pity that the doom-and-gloom paranoia of the left and the dumb (same thing) rarely matches reality. Perhaps that is why every left-governed country is such a mess or headed there.



Rubbish,
there has never been a bigger oil field found than in Saudi Arabia.


That is correct, the Saudi fields are the largest ever found & GM may be interested in the following chart on past & likely future discoveries, which has been produced by Mobil.

I, for one, would not suggest betting against the trend & GM, I am not a "Lefty"!

http://static.cdn-seekingalpha.com/uploads/2012/7/4/410007-13413808715704331-Rob...




Thanks Perceptions,
I need help sometimes with people posting lies.


You may not be yet aware as it is obvious you have trouble with graphs but that one is 10 years old and misses all recent oil field discoveries and newly viable ones. You really should keep to the forefront of whats happening rather than reading newspapers from 2002 and thinking you know what you are talking about. You do know John Howard isnt PM anymore, right? well the canadian and USA oil fields are just becoming viable now and that effectively quintuples current supplies.

Just a note. it's 2012.


Really?

Which huge new "Conventional Oil" discoveries can you name & just how huge are they?

Will they increase the Global Oil Supply for a day, a week, a month, a year? Just how large are they?   

We look forward to a FEW facts?



Who said anything about 'conventional'. My entire argument is about the NEWER unconventional fields. You are severely restricted to old-world thinking. 120 years ago you would have opposed electric lighting. How about you build into your doomsday scenarios the notion that new technologies may render todays problems, tomporrow's opportunities. After all, history is basically exactly that, over and over again.
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Reply #409 - Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:23pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:07pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 2:22pm:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:56pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:41am:
perceptions_now wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:23am:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:11am:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:08am:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 8:51pm:
Good question but there is no doubt that the major oil fields are well in decline.


Just as there is no doubt that the NEW oil fields are significantly BIGGER than the current ones. It is such a pity that the doom-and-gloom paranoia of the left and the dumb (same thing) rarely matches reality. Perhaps that is why every left-governed country is such a mess or headed there.



Rubbish,
there has never been a bigger oil field found than in Saudi Arabia.


That is correct, the Saudi fields are the largest ever found & GM may be interested in the following chart on past & likely future discoveries, which has been produced by Mobil.

I, for one, would not suggest betting against the trend & GM, I am not a "Lefty"!

http://static.cdn-seekingalpha.com/uploads/2012/7/4/410007-13413808715704331-Rob...




Thanks Perceptions,
I need help sometimes with people posting lies.


You may not be yet aware as it is obvious you have trouble with graphs but that one is 10 years old and misses all recent oil field discoveries and newly viable ones. You really should keep to the forefront of whats happening rather than reading newspapers from 2002 and thinking you know what you are talking about. You do know John Howard isnt PM anymore, right? well the canadian and USA oil fields are just becoming viable now and that effectively quintuples current supplies.

Just a note. it's 2012.


Really?

Which huge new "Conventional Oil" discoveries can you name & just how huge are they?

Will they increase the Global Oil Supply for a day, a week, a month, a year? Just how large are they?   

We look forward to a FEW facts?



Who said anything about 'conventional'. My entire argument is about the NEWER unconventional fields. You are severely restricted to old-world thinking. 120 years ago you would have opposed electric lighting. How about you build into your doomsday scenarios the notion that new technologies may render todays problems, tomporrow's opportunities. After all, history is basically exactly that, over and over again.


just like you opposing the NBN and electric vehicles Sad
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Reply #410 - Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:59pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:07pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 2:22pm:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:56pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:41am:
perceptions_now wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:23am:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:11am:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:08am:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 8:51pm:
Good question but there is no doubt that the major oil fields are well in decline.


Just as there is no doubt that the NEW oil fields are significantly BIGGER than the current ones. It is such a pity that the doom-and-gloom paranoia of the left and the dumb (same thing) rarely matches reality. Perhaps that is why every left-governed country is such a mess or headed there.



Rubbish,
there has never been a bigger oil field found than in Saudi Arabia.


That is correct, the Saudi fields are the largest ever found & GM may be interested in the following chart on past & likely future discoveries, which has been produced by Mobil.

I, for one, would not suggest betting against the trend & GM, I am not a "Lefty"!

http://static.cdn-seekingalpha.com/uploads/2012/7/4/410007-13413808715704331-Rob...




Thanks Perceptions,
I need help sometimes with people posting lies.


You may not be yet aware as it is obvious you have trouble with graphs but that one is 10 years old and misses all recent oil field discoveries and newly viable ones. You really should keep to the forefront of whats happening rather than reading newspapers from 2002 and thinking you know what you are talking about. You do know John Howard isnt PM anymore, right? well the canadian and USA oil fields are just becoming viable now and that effectively quintuples current supplies.

Just a note. it's 2012.


Really?

Which huge new "Conventional Oil" discoveries can you name & just how huge are they?

Will they increase the Global Oil Supply for a day, a week, a month, a year? Just how large are they?   

We look forward to a FEW facts?



Who said anything about 'conventional'. My entire argument is about the NEWER unconventional fields. You are severely restricted to old-world thinking. 120 years ago you would have opposed electric lighting. How about you build into your doomsday scenarios the notion that new technologies may render todays problems, tomporrow's opportunities. After all, history is basically exactly that, over and over again.


No, I am simply a REALIST!
Btw, that REALISM streak, gained from some 40 years in the Finance/Insurance sector, also saw me sell my share holdings, in late 2006, prior to the 2007 crash, which still puts me in a good position relative to the market, which is still down about 40% from its highs and I suspect there is yet a lot of downside risk, yet to come.
   
And, why would I have opposed electric lighting?


So, you agree that "Conventional Oil" is now in Decline, but you're saying that ""UnConventional Oil" is our saviour?

If that be the case, perhaps you would now address some of the issues directed at you, in the following post?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1342560772/380#380

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Reply #411 - Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:50pm
 
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If that be the case, perhaps you would now address some of the issues directed at you, in the following post?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1342560772/380#380


Longweekend doesn't understand that.
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Reply #412 - Aug 4th, 2012 at 11:56pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:59pm:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:07pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 2:22pm:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:56pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:41am:
perceptions_now wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:23am:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:11am:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:08am:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 8:51pm:
Good question but there is no doubt that the major oil fields are well in decline.


Just as there is no doubt that the NEW oil fields are significantly BIGGER than the current ones. It is such a pity that the doom-and-gloom paranoia of the left and the dumb (same thing) rarely matches reality. Perhaps that is why every left-governed country is such a mess or headed there.



Rubbish,
there has never been a bigger oil field found than in Saudi Arabia.


That is correct, the Saudi fields are the largest ever found & GM may be interested in the following chart on past & likely future discoveries, which has been produced by Mobil.

I, for one, would not suggest betting against the trend & GM, I am not a "Lefty"!

http://static.cdn-seekingalpha.com/uploads/2012/7/4/410007-13413808715704331-Rob...




Thanks Perceptions,
I need help sometimes with people posting lies.


You may not be yet aware as it is obvious you have trouble with graphs but that one is 10 years old and misses all recent oil field discoveries and newly viable ones. You really should keep to the forefront of whats happening rather than reading newspapers from 2002 and thinking you know what you are talking about. You do know John Howard isnt PM anymore, right? well the canadian and USA oil fields are just becoming viable now and that effectively quintuples current supplies.

Just a note. it's 2012.


Really?

Which huge new "Conventional Oil" discoveries can you name & just how huge are they?

Will they increase the Global Oil Supply for a day, a week, a month, a year? Just how large are they?   

We look forward to a FEW facts?



Who said anything about 'conventional'. My entire argument is about the NEWER unconventional fields. You are severely restricted to old-world thinking. 120 years ago you would have opposed electric lighting. How about you build into your doomsday scenarios the notion that new technologies may render todays problems, tomporrow's opportunities. After all, history is basically exactly that, over and over again.


No, I am simply a REALIST!
Btw, that REALISM streak, gained from some 40 years in the Finance/Insurance sector, also saw me sell my share holdings, in late 2006, prior to the 2007 crash, which still puts me in a good position relative to the market, which is still down about 40% from its highs and I suspect there is yet a lot of downside risk, yet to come.
   
And, why would I have opposed electric lighting?


So, you agree that "Conventional Oil" is now in Decline, but you're saying that ""UnConventional Oil" is our saviour?

If that be the case, perhaps you would now address some of the issues directed at you, in the following post?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1342560772/380#380



all of your reasoning, all of your arguments, all of your predictions are based on NOTHING changing.  That alone invalidates your argument.  All of society and technology is in massive change. Your beleif that oil will run out because nothing new can happen is ludicrous. And even now you cannot accept that the shale oil and tar sands oil which is NOW viable and amounts to 14 times that of Saudi arabia is even a factor renders your argument even more invalid.

You would have been making the same argument 30 years ago and telling everyone that oil would run out in 1985 because you couldnt possibly countence the new fields and new extraction techniques that occured - just as you cannot accept it now. Siberia has vast amounts of oil locked up under impossible permafrost - impossible for now. But do you really think in 20 years there wont be an enormaous oil supply from there?

You are blinded by your ideology and completey incapable of progressing past your thinking of 20 years in the past. We will still be buying ample supplies of petrol in 30 years time and people like you will be warning of peak oil in 2060 just as you did in 2050, 2040, 2030, 2020 and ironically in 2010, 2000 and 1990 etc.

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Reply #413 - Aug 5th, 2012 at 9:34am
 
GM,
Just in case you don't know how to bring up the previous post, I've asked you to respond to (a few times), here it is.

You still don't seem to want to or have the answers to, the issues raised in the following post, you are simply going on hopium.

So again, why have the Prices already changed so much, over the last decade or so & of what benefit are your "UnConventional" Oils (Tar Sands & Shale Oil) IF their EROEI makes them pretty much a net Energy sink?

And that, is without even going into how  "UnConventional" Oils (Tar Sands & Shale Oil) could be manufactured on the sort of scale required to run a modern Global Economy, with a world of over 7 Billion people?

I look forward to your detailed response? 

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:34pm:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:16am:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:11am:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:08am:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 8:51pm:
Good question but there is no doubt that the major oil fields are well in decline.


Just as there is no doubt that the NEW oil fields are significantly BIGGER than the current ones. It is such a pity that the doom-and-gloom paranoia of the left and the dumb (same thing) rarely matches reality. Perhaps that is why every left-governed country is such a mess or headed there.



Rubbish,
there has never been a bigger oil field found than in Saudi Arabia.


The shale oil fields of the USA are 7 times larger than Saudi Arabia and recent improvements in drilling technology (going sideways) has made many other fields now economic and viable.

Then we go to Canada whose tar sands are now becoming economic to recover and also contain 7 times the amount as in Saudi Arabia. Southern American oil fields are now also becoming economic driven both by higher oil prices and cheaper extraction technologies.

So you might as well get over the fact that oil is still in plentiful supply. All we have done so far is access the EASY sources and as drilling technology continues to evole more and more deeper and otherwise inaccessible fields will come online.

I know this is uncomfortable for you to accept but the peak oil nonsense is just that - nonsense. That is why we were supposed to run out of oil in 1985 and then again in 2000 and why now we are supposed to be experiencing chronic shortages while there is in fact a mild GLUT in world oil supplies.

Must suck to be an uninformed gullible leftie, mustn't it?


GM,
As put to Prevailing already, you may like to comment on the following -
"Given that Economics is all about Supply & Demand, perhaps you can explain to us, the reasons for the massive increases in Oil & Coal, in particular?

If not shortages, then what are the reasons that have influenced the Crude Oil Price?

For example, the Price of a barrel of WTi went from around US$10 in the late 1990's, to US$147 a barrel in 2008, before crashing to around US$40 in 2009, before starting to climb again, where it is now reaching back towards US$100.

So, what reasoning could there be for the size of these increases & the great variations?"

Btw, there are "Conventional" & "Unconventional" sources of Oil, Tar Sands & Shale Oil fall into the "Unconventional" sector.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconventional_oil

The following chart mentions some of the Energy sources now in use, including the Tar Sands & Shale Oil you have mentioned.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/EROI_-_Ratio_of_Energy_...

The EROEI on the following alternative fuel sources are clearly NOT going to replace Oil & Coal, with Oil in particular having an EROEI of 100-150 earlier on in its life.

EROEI (for US)      Fuel
1.3      Biodiesel
1.3      Ethanol corn
1.6      Solar collector
1.9      Solar flat plate
3.0      Bitumen tar sands
5.0      Ethanol sugarcane
5.0      Shale oil
6.8      Photovoltaic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_returned_on_energy_invested

In any event, these "Unconventional" sources of Oil, including Tar Sands & Shale Oil, can not be produced in the volume required, to run the modern world.

In fact, part of the reason for the large Oil Price increases, since the late 1990's, can be traced back to the scaling up of Production for these "Unconventional" sources of Oil and that will continue to weigh on the Global Economy!   


You are correct, in at least one respect, what we have done so far is access all of the most easily accessible fruit (Energy Sources), from the lowest branches & from here on in, fruit picking (Energy Production) becomes more more difficult AND much more expensive!
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You are correct, in at least one respect, what we have done so far is access all of the most easily accessible fruit (Energy Sources), from the lowest branches & from here on in, fruit picking (Energy Production) becomes more more difficult AND much more expensive!


And more polluting to our planet.
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gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 11:56pm:
all of your reasoning, all of your arguments, all of your predictions are based on NOTHING changing.  That alone invalidates your argument.  All of society and technology is in massive change. Your beleif that oil will run out because nothing new can happen is ludicrous. And even now you cannot accept that the shale oil and tar sands oil which is NOW viable and amounts to 14 times that of Saudi arabia is even a factor renders your argument even more invalid.

You would have been making the same argument 30 years ago and telling everyone that oil would run out in 1985 because you couldnt possibly countence the new fields and new extraction techniques that occured - just as you cannot accept it now. Siberia has vast amounts of oil locked up under impossible permafrost - impossible for now. But do you really think in 20 years there wont be an enormaous oil supply from there?

You are blinded by your ideology and completey incapable of progressing past your thinking of 20 years in the past. We will still be buying ample supplies of petrol in 30 years time and people like you will be warning of peak oil in 2060 just as you did in 2050, 2040, 2030, 2020 and ironically in 2010, 2000 and 1990 etc.



Then how come oil is getting dearer if there are all of these "ample" supplies ??

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Reply #416 - Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:25pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 9:34am:
GM,
Just in case you don't know how to bring up the previous post, I've asked you to respond to (a few times), here it is.

You still don't seem to want to or have the answers to, the issues raised in the following post, you are simply going on hopium.

So again, why have the Prices already changed so much, over the last decade or so & of what benefit are your "UnConventional" Oils (Tar Sands & Shale Oil) IF their EROEI makes them pretty much a net Energy sink?

And that, is without even going into how  "UnConventional" Oils (Tar Sands & Shale Oil) could be manufactured on the sort of scale required to run a modern Global Economy, with a world of over 7 Billion people?

I look forward to your detailed response? 

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:34pm:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:16am:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:11am:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:08am:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 8:51pm:
Good question but there is no doubt that the major oil fields are well in decline.


Just as there is no doubt that the NEW oil fields are significantly BIGGER than the current ones. It is such a pity that the doom-and-gloom paranoia of the left and the dumb (same thing) rarely matches reality. Perhaps that is why every left-governed country is such a mess or headed there.



Rubbish,
there has never been a bigger oil field found than in Saudi Arabia.


The shale oil fields of the USA are 7 times larger than Saudi Arabia and recent improvements in drilling technology (going sideways) has made many other fields now economic and viable.

Then we go to Canada whose tar sands are now becoming economic to recover and also contain 7 times the amount as in Saudi Arabia. Southern American oil fields are now also becoming economic driven both by higher oil prices and cheaper extraction technologies.

So you might as well get over the fact that oil is still in plentiful supply. All we have done so far is access the EASY sources and as drilling technology continues to evole more and more deeper and otherwise inaccessible fields will come online.

I know this is uncomfortable for you to accept but the peak oil nonsense is just that - nonsense. That is why we were supposed to run out of oil in 1985 and then again in 2000 and why now we are supposed to be experiencing chronic shortages while there is in fact a mild GLUT in world oil supplies.

Must suck to be an uninformed gullible leftie, mustn't it?


GM,
As put to Prevailing already, you may like to comment on the following -
"Given that Economics is all about Supply & Demand, perhaps you can explain to us, the reasons for the massive increases in Oil & Coal, in particular?

If not shortages, then what are the reasons that have influenced the Crude Oil Price?

For example, the Price of a barrel of WTi went from around US$10 in the late 1990's, to US$147 a barrel in 2008, before crashing to around US$40 in 2009, before starting to climb again, where it is now reaching back towards US$100.

So, what reasoning could there be for the size of these increases & the great variations?"

Btw, there are "Conventional" & "Unconventional" sources of Oil, Tar Sands & Shale Oil fall into the "Unconventional" sector.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconventional_oil

The following chart mentions some of the Energy sources now in use, including the Tar Sands & Shale Oil you have mentioned.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/EROI_-_Ratio_of_Energy_...

The EROEI on the following alternative fuel sources are clearly NOT going to replace Oil & Coal, with Oil in particular having an EROEI of 100-150 earlier on in its life.

EROEI (for US)      Fuel
1.3      Biodiesel
1.3      Ethanol corn
1.6      Solar collector
1.9      Solar flat plate
3.0      Bitumen tar sands
5.0      Ethanol sugarcane
5.0      Shale oil
6.8      Photovoltaic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_returned_on_energy_invested

In any event, these "Unconventional" sources of Oil, including Tar Sands & Shale Oil, can not be produced in the volume required, to run the modern world.

In fact, part of the reason for the large Oil Price increases, since the late 1990's, can be traced back to the scaling up of Production for these "Unconventional" sources of Oil and that will continue to weigh on the Global Economy!   


You are correct, in at least one respect, what we have done so far is access all of the most easily accessible fruit (Energy Sources), from the lowest branches & from here on in, fruit picking (Energy Production) becomes more more difficult AND much more expensive!


Giving you a detailed response is pretty pointless because like so many others on this thread you will simply ignore some answers and misinterpret the rest.

Youy love to believe we have passed peak oil. Go for it. Go hide under a rock if you have to but you are wrong. The amount of oil on planet earth is massive. The amount that is easily extracted is not. But technology is still evolving to handle these otherwise uneconomic fields. You rather gloomy predictions utterly ignore ANY new fields or any technology improvements to make existing unecomoic fields viable. You simply cannot produce a predictive model that ignores any change - especially when change is one of those constant things.

You seem to be stuck in the 1970s and its energy industy back then which was inefficient and hopelessly narrow-vision. since then the energy industry and oil industry has taken a lot of very long-term investments in technology which will make oil extraction economic in the future. it is that approach which is making tar sands and shale oil viable now.

You seem to have that depressive view that no good news ever affects. I predict that in 2025 when the biggest oil producers in the world are canada and USA that you will still be telling everyone that we are past peak oil etc etc

showing a 2002 in 2012 was an embarrassment. Keep up and for goodness sake, get some therapy for that perennially gloomy outlook.
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It is with pricks like you driving their V8 gas guzzlers using up
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Bobby. wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:29pm:
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It is with pricks like you driving their V8 gas guzzlers using up
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for no added benefit to himself or anyone else except for his own ego gratification Sad
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I understand why most posters refer to you as buffoons.

Most appropriate given the way you ignore pretty much everything that others say.
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