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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: FORD.R.I.P. Reply #465 - Aug 8^th, 2012 at 11:45am Yet you talk about electric vehicles that are being developed and going on sale in the USA but not in Australia? So why mention them? You haven't got them mate.... By the way, did you know my company holds more than 25 patent rights on electric vehicle development? Just so you know.....
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Reply #466 - Aug 8^th, 2012 at 12:06pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

Yet you talk about electric vehicles that are being developed and going on sale in the USA but not in Australia?

So why mention them? You haven't got them mate....

Wink

By the way, did you know my company holds more than 25 patent rights on electric vehicle development?

Just so you know.....

But they are on sale in Australia now. The Nissan Leaf and Mitsubishi iMiev is now available in Australia and GM will be flogging it's plugin hybrid here in October. The reason why I keep mentioning EV's is because we keep throwing good money after bad at the likes of ford and holden and they keep making obsolete sh.t that nobody wants anymore. That's why i keep mentioning it Sad

And your electric vehicle patents are not worth a hat full of dogs tits if you don't sell a product that uses them !!

Also you keep mentioning how petrol is cheaper in the USA but you fail to mention that the average wage is much lower than in Australia so of course they can't afford to pay what we pay for petrol Wink

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Reply #467 - Aug 8^th, 2012 at 12:53pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 11:51pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 10:33pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 9:07pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 8:26pm:

You may have noticed that NO ONE responds to the sock allegations because they are so pointless. A) everyone is mellie according to the marsupial and B) what does it matter anyhow?

people with an interest in debate and half the brain to do so read the post, not wax on about the name behind the ID.

and perceptions, you lengthy and thoroughly inaccurate posts on oil are silly. as mentioned several times (with no reply) if your predictions make the assumption of no new oil fields and no new extractiontechnologies or efficiencies of use than all you are doing is ensuring that your prediction will fail big time. I have done work in predictive modelling and one of the big issues is to ensure that you include FUTURE CHANGES. assuming that nothing changes is the fool-proof death to your model because EVERYTHING CHANGES1

GM/Longy,
Can I suggest there are 2 pointless things here -
1) Using a sock!
2) Replying to specific issues, by using generalities!

As previously said, IF you have some real information/input on the reasons for the big Energy Price hikes OR the likely effects of the Energy Sink that is "Unconventional" Oil, then please post them.

Otherwise, there really isn't much point.

Sigh... sometimes it is like debating with a child. the reasons for the big energy prices are many and well established. However, the rise in the price of oil has been part and parcel of why some previously uneconomic fields are now economically viable. This is basic economic theory which makes it surprising why you dont understand it.

Not once have you ever conceded that exproration and technology may increase the known viable supplies of oil. How can you seriously expect anyone to believe your points is you deliberately and obstintately exclude 'change' from your predictive model?

I am equally sure that you do not have an answer so you will return to your normal style of simply repeating your one mantra time and time again. I am happy for you to disappoint me in that regard!

Longy,

In reality, you've said nothing new, you still didn't answer why Energy Prices have been rising so much and you still didn't answer how your favoured new Energy sources are anything, other than an Energy Sink!

You refer to basic Economic theory, but you fail to concede that the most basic of tenant of Economic theory is Supply & Demand & that is the real reason for the big Energy Price hikes. Demand (of Energy) is going up & Supply (of Energy) is leveling off, as a prelude to going down, as Hubbert predicted for both the US, which is already historical FACT & Globally, which is now becoming a FACT!

You say, some previously uneconomic fields are now economically viable and that is correct. However, the Oil being produced by these old fields is quite small in the overall Production required, particularly compared to the substantial depletion rates of the BIG old fields such as the Middle East & the big European North Sea fields.

In fact, the North Sea is well into its Decline phase & the 2 BIG M/E fields of Ghawar & Burgan are about to enter that phase OR already have.

However, all of this is really basic stuff, which you continue to avoid, as being the main reason for the big Price increases -
IT IS BASIC ECONOMICS
IT IS SUPPLY & DEMAND!!!

As for your new Energy sources, you continue to say nothing about how to avoid those being Net Energy Sinks!

As for exploration and technology, that is a given, YES both of those areas will add to the available Supply level, but they will not offset the losses from the Depletion of the OLD, BIG fields, which you obstinately refuse to discuss, let alone acknowledge.

Finally, I am sure you will continue to repeat your well worn mantra of saying nothing of substance and nothing that addresses the real issues.

As I have previously said, IF you have some real information/input on the reasons for the big Energy Price hikes OR the likely effects of the Energy Sink that is "Unconventional" Oil, then please post them.

Otherwise, there really isn't much point.

Honestly perceptions, its like talking to a deaf man. You simply dont hear. yes prices have risen. Amazing, isnt it! Can you possibly imagine a world in which proices actually rise? FACT. petrol prices have risen below the CPI for the last 20 years. Simpletons however who have the memory of a goldfish with the intellect to match remember only the price from last weeks discount level. SIX YEARS ago, I was paying $1.80/liter for 98 octane and now I am paying $1.58. Amazing isnt it.

it doesnt matter what anyone says to you, you are deaf dumb and blind to any new information. You will go and live in your hole pretending that oil has run out while the rest of use drive our cars fuelled by the oil fields and technology you just pretend dont exist. The same way people like you said we'd run out of fuel in 1985 and 2000.

Tar sands, shale oil... they are just words to you but there is no way you will ever change your view because you lack the capacity to learn. vast new oil fields are opening up because the price of oil on the global market is high. It is almost as if you know absolutely nothing at all about economics while quoting 'supply and demand' yet knowing nothing about beyond a year 7 understanding.

Go dig a hole and shout that the end of the world is coming. And let us just laugh. I certianly am already doing so.

Longy,

As I have been saying, Crude Oil Prices have gone from US$10 in the late 1990's, to nearly US$150 in 2008, then back to around US$40 in 2009 and now they are back to around US$100.

The big Oil fields such as Ghawar & Burgan in the Middle East are either at or already in their declining years & the North Sea is well into its Decline phase.

This is really basic stuff, which you continue to avoid, as being the main reason for the big Price increases -
IT IS BASIC ECONOMICS
IT IS SUPPLY & DEMAND!!!

As for your new Energy sources, you continue to say nothing about how to avoid those being Net Energy Sinks!

When/IF you start making some informed comments about these issues, I may consider you something other than a "Comedian".

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Reply #468 - Aug 8^th, 2012 at 12:55pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 11:27am:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 11:51pm:

Honestly perceptions, its like talking to a deaf man. You simply dont hear. yes prices have risen. Amazing, isnt it! Can you possibly imagine a world in which proices actually rise? FACT. petrol prices have risen below the CPI for the last 20 years. Simpletons however who have the memory of a goldfish with the intellect to match remember only the price from last weeks discount level. SIX YEARS ago, I was paying $1.80/liter for 98 octane and now I am paying $1.58. Amazing isnt it.

it doesnt matter what anyone says to you, you are deaf dumb and blind to any new information. You will go and live in your hole pretending that oil has run out while the rest of use drive our cars fuelled by the oil fields and technology you just pretend dont exist. The same way people like you said we'd run out of fuel in 1985 and 2000.

Tar sands, shale oil... they are just words to you but there is no way you will ever change your view because you lack the capacity to learn. vast new oil fields are opening up because the price of oil on the global market is high. It is almost as if you know absolutely nothing at all about economics while quoting 'supply and demand' yet knowing nothing about beyond a year 7 understanding.

Go dig a hole and shout that the end of the world is coming. And let us just laugh. I certianly am already doing so.

so more oil to set fire to and wreck the environment Sad

STUPID IDIOT !!

and if the price of fuel has increased below CPI then why are more people buying smaller cars ?? Again you are a stupid idiot in denial of the facts !!

so let me get this right... your response is that an established fact DIDNT happen and that is why people are doing action B?

Could the possible reason be... (and this might blow you away)... that smaller cars are now very good, very powerful and actually not as small as they once were? Look at a current corolla and compare it to one 25 years ago.

try thinking next time.

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Reply #469 - Aug 8^th, 2012 at 1:00pm

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 12:53pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 11:51pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 10:33pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 9:07pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 8:26pm:

You may have noticed that NO ONE responds to the sock allegations because they are so pointless. A) everyone is mellie according to the marsupial and B) what does it matter anyhow?

people with an interest in debate and half the brain to do so read the post, not wax on about the name behind the ID.

and perceptions, you lengthy and thoroughly inaccurate posts on oil are silly. as mentioned several times (with no reply) if your predictions make the assumption of no new oil fields and no new extractiontechnologies or efficiencies of use than all you are doing is ensuring that your prediction will fail big time. I have done work in predictive modelling and one of the big issues is to ensure that you include FUTURE CHANGES. assuming that nothing changes is the fool-proof death to your model because EVERYTHING CHANGES1

GM/Longy,
Can I suggest there are 2 pointless things here -
1) Using a sock!
2) Replying to specific issues, by using generalities!

As previously said, IF you have some real information/input on the reasons for the big Energy Price hikes OR the likely effects of the Energy Sink that is "Unconventional" Oil, then please post them.

Otherwise, there really isn't much point.

Sigh... sometimes it is like debating with a child. the reasons for the big energy prices are many and well established. However, the rise in the price of oil has been part and parcel of why some previously uneconomic fields are now economically viable. This is basic economic theory which makes it surprising why you dont understand it.

Not once have you ever conceded that exproration and technology may increase the known viable supplies of oil. How can you seriously expect anyone to believe your points is you deliberately and obstintately exclude 'change' from your predictive model?

I am equally sure that you do not have an answer so you will return to your normal style of simply repeating your one mantra time and time again. I am happy for you to disappoint me in that regard!

Longy,

In reality, you've said nothing new, you still didn't answer why Energy Prices have been rising so much and you still didn't answer how your favoured new Energy sources are anything, other than an Energy Sink!

You refer to basic Economic theory, but you fail to concede that the most basic of tenant of Economic theory is Supply & Demand & that is the real reason for the big Energy Price hikes. Demand (of Energy) is going up & Supply (of Energy) is leveling off, as a prelude to going down, as Hubbert predicted for both the US, which is already historical FACT & Globally, which is now becoming a FACT!

You say, some previously uneconomic fields are now economically viable and that is correct. However, the Oil being produced by these old fields is quite small in the overall Production required, particularly compared to the substantial depletion rates of the BIG old fields such as the Middle East & the big European North Sea fields.

In fact, the North Sea is well into its Decline phase & the 2 BIG M/E fields of Ghawar & Burgan are about to enter that phase OR already have.

However, all of this is really basic stuff, which you continue to avoid, as being the main reason for the big Price increases -
IT IS BASIC ECONOMICS
IT IS SUPPLY & DEMAND!!!

As for your new Energy sources, you continue to say nothing about how to avoid those being Net Energy Sinks!

As for exploration and technology, that is a given, YES both of those areas will add to the available Supply level, but they will not offset the losses from the Depletion of the OLD, BIG fields, which you obstinately refuse to discuss, let alone acknowledge.

Finally, I am sure you will continue to repeat your well worn mantra of saying nothing of substance and nothing that addresses the real issues.

As I have previously said, IF you have some real information/input on the reasons for the big Energy Price hikes OR the likely effects of the Energy Sink that is "Unconventional" Oil, then please post them.

Otherwise, there really isn't much point.

Honestly perceptions, its like talking to a deaf man. You simply dont hear. yes prices have risen. Amazing, isnt it! Can you possibly imagine a world in which proices actually rise? FACT. petrol prices have risen below the CPI for the last 20 years. Simpletons however who have the memory of a goldfish with the intellect to match remember only the price from last weeks discount level. SIX YEARS ago, I was paying $1.80/liter for 98 octane and now I am paying $1.58. Amazing isnt it.

it doesnt matter what anyone says to you, you are deaf dumb and blind to any new information. You will go and live in your hole pretending that oil has run out while the rest of use drive our cars fuelled by the oil fields and technology you just pretend dont exist. The same way people like you said we'd run out of fuel in 1985 and 2000.

Tar sands, shale oil... they are just words to you but there is no way you will ever change your view because you lack the capacity to learn. vast new oil fields are opening up because the price of oil on the global market is high. It is almost as if you know absolutely nothing at all about economics while quoting 'supply and demand' yet knowing nothing about beyond a year 7 understanding.

Go dig a hole and shout that the end of the world is coming. And let us just laugh. I certianly am already doing so.

Longy,

As I have been saying, Crude Oil Prices have gone from US$10 in the late 1990's, to nearly US$150 in 2008, then back to around US$40 in 2009 and now they are back to around US$100.

The big Oil fields such as Ghawar & Burgan in the Middle East are either at or already in their declining years & the North Sea is well into its Decline phase.

This is really basic stuff, which you continue to avoid, as being the main reason for the big Price increases -
IT IS BASIC ECONOMICS
IT IS SUPPLY & DEMAND!!!

As for your new Energy sources, you continue to say nothing about how to avoid those being Net Energy Sinks!

When/IF you start making some informed comments about these issues, I may consider you something other than a "Comedian".

you are a stupid old fool, perceptions. It doesnt matter what anyone says to you, your tune remains the same. IM sure your car has an 8track player and had to have indicators retro-fitted. is there anythign in your head that takes note of TODAY and how things are changing. You keep talking about net energy sinks trying to pretend that you know what it means. For starters, do you think the oil companies might have a comment or two to make on that? Do you really think that they are spending billions on oil recovery that costs more to extract thatthey will recoup? If you beleive that then you really are a very silly person.

Maintain your denial. dig another room in your bomb shelter. You seem incapable of acknoweldgeing that it is 2012 instead of 1985.

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Reply #470 - Aug 8^th, 2012 at 1:01pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 12:06pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

Yet you talk about electric vehicles that are being developed and going on sale in the USA but not in Australia?

So why mention them? You haven't got them mate....

Wink

By the way, did you know my company holds more than 25 patent rights on electric vehicle development?

Just so you know.....

But they are on sale in Australia now. The Nissan Leaf and Mitsubishi iMiev is now available in Australia and GM will be flogging it's plugin hybrid here in October. The reason why I keep mentioning EV's is because we keep throwing good money after bad at the likes of ford and holden and they keep making obsolete sh.t that nobody wants anymore. That's why i keep mentioning it Sad

And your electric vehicle patents are not worth a hat full of dogs tits if you don't sell a product that uses them !!

Also you keep mentioning how petrol is cheaper in the USA but you fail to mention that the average wage is much lower than in Australia so of course they can't afford to pay what we pay for petrol Wink

So what EV do you drive? based on your abusive evangelistic promotion of then, it would be reasonable to assume you drive an EV? Correct?

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Reply #471 - Aug 8^th, 2012 at 2:06pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 12:55pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 11:27am:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 11:51pm:

Honestly perceptions, its like talking to a deaf man. You simply dont hear. yes prices have risen. Amazing, isnt it! Can you possibly imagine a world in which proices actually rise? FACT. petrol prices have risen below the CPI for the last 20 years. Simpletons however who have the memory of a goldfish with the intellect to match remember only the price from last weeks discount level. SIX YEARS ago, I was paying $1.80/liter for 98 octane and now I am paying $1.58. Amazing isnt it.

it doesnt matter what anyone says to you, you are deaf dumb and blind to any new information. You will go and live in your hole pretending that oil has run out while the rest of use drive our cars fuelled by the oil fields and technology you just pretend dont exist. The same way people like you said we'd run out of fuel in 1985 and 2000.

Tar sands, shale oil... they are just words to you but there is no way you will ever change your view because you lack the capacity to learn. vast new oil fields are opening up because the price of oil on the global market is high. It is almost as if you know absolutely nothing at all about economics while quoting 'supply and demand' yet knowing nothing about beyond a year 7 understanding.

Go dig a hole and shout that the end of the world is coming. And let us just laugh. I certianly am already doing so.

so more oil to set fire to and wreck the environment Sad

STUPID IDIOT !!

and if the price of fuel has increased below CPI then why are more people buying smaller cars ?? Again you are a stupid idiot in denial of the facts !!

so let me get this right... your response is that an established fact DIDNT happen and that is why people are doing action B?

Could the possible reason be... (and this might blow you away)... that smaller cars are now very good, very powerful and actually not as small as they once were? Look at a current corolla and compare it to one 25 years ago.

try thinking next time.

No dickhead. Smaller cars are more popular because they are cheaper to run especiually in congested traffic Wink

You wouldn't call a Toyota Yaris or Mazda 2 a family car but lots of people are buying them which goes against your twisted thinking of people buying a car for the sole purpose of playing with themselves which is what you do in your gas guzzler.

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Reply #472 - Aug 8^th, 2012 at 2:09pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 1:01pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 12:06pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

Yet you talk about electric vehicles that are being developed and going on sale in the USA but not in Australia?

So why mention them? You haven't got them mate....

Wink

By the way, did you know my company holds more than 25 patent rights on electric vehicle development?

Just so you know.....

But they are on sale in Australia now. The Nissan Leaf and Mitsubishi iMiev is now available in Australia and GM will be flogging it's plugin hybrid here in October. The reason why I keep mentioning EV's is because we keep throwing good money after bad at the likes of ford and holden and they keep making obsolete sh.t that nobody wants anymore. That's why i keep mentioning it Sad

And your electric vehicle patents are not worth a hat full of dogs tits if you don't sell a product that uses them !!

Also you keep mentioning how petrol is cheaper in the USA but you fail to mention that the average wage is much lower than in Australia so of course they can't afford to pay what we pay for petrol Wink

So what EV do you drive? based on your abusive evangelistic promotion of then, it would be reasonable to assume you drive an EV? Correct?

Listen gold_wank that is totally irrelevant just as not being able to talk about the shuttle because I don't own one. What have I stated about EV's that is not correct ? Stick to the facts instead of introducing strawman fallacies. You really are a time wasting troll on these forums Sad

The last time an actual EV owner who owns a Toyota RAV4-EV and runs the website www.evnut.com came onto this forum you were rude and abrupt to him and weren't interested in debating with him in an intelligent way so don't bloody well tell me how the whole argument of EV's hinges on me owning and driving one Sad

Go pull your head in you sanctimonious piece of sh.t !!

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: FORD.R.I.P. Reply #473 - Aug 8^th, 2012 at 2:16pm It's a valid question. I like large SUV's - so I bought one. You go on all the time about EV's - why dont you own one?? Bit hypocritical not to.
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Reply #474 - Aug 8^th, 2012 at 2:19pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 1:00pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 12:53pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 11:51pm:

Honestly perceptions, its like talking to a deaf man. You simply dont hear. yes prices have risen. Amazing, isnt it! Can you possibly imagine a world in which proices actually rise? FACT. petrol prices have risen below the CPI for the last 20 years. Simpletons however who have the memory of a goldfish with the intellect to match remember only the price from last weeks discount level. SIX YEARS ago, I was paying $1.80/liter for 98 octane and now I am paying $1.58. Amazing isnt it.

it doesnt matter what anyone says to you, you are deaf dumb and blind to any new information. You will go and live in your hole pretending that oil has run out while the rest of use drive our cars fuelled by the oil fields and technology you just pretend dont exist. The same way people like you said we'd run out of fuel in 1985 and 2000.

Tar sands, shale oil... they are just words to you but there is no way you will ever change your view because you lack the capacity to learn. vast new oil fields are opening up because the price of oil on the global market is high. It is almost as if you know absolutely nothing at all about economics while quoting 'supply and demand' yet knowing nothing about beyond a year 7 understanding.

Go dig a hole and shout that the end of the world is coming. And let us just laugh. I certianly am already doing so.

Longy,

As I have been saying, Crude Oil Prices have gone from US$10 in the late 1990's, to nearly US$150 in 2008, then back to around US$40 in 2009 and now they are back to around US$100.

The big Oil fields such as Ghawar & Burgan in the Middle East are either at or already in their declining years & the North Sea is well into its Decline phase.

This is really basic stuff, which you continue to avoid, as being the main reason for the big Price increases -
IT IS BASIC ECONOMICS
IT IS SUPPLY & DEMAND!!!

As for your new Energy sources, you continue to say nothing about how to avoid those being Net Energy Sinks!

When/IF you start making some informed comments about these issues, I may consider you something other than a "Comedian".

you are a stupid old fool, perceptions. It doesnt matter what anyone says to you, your tune remains the same. IM sure your car has an 8track player and had to have indicators retro-fitted. is there anythign in your head that takes note of TODAY and how things are changing. You keep talking about net energy sinks trying to pretend that you know what it means. For starters, do you think the oil companies might have a comment or two to make on that? Do you really think that they are spending billions on oil recovery that costs more to extract thatthey will recoup? If you beleive that then you really are a very silly person.

Maintain your denial. dig another room in your bomb shelter. You seem incapable of acknoweldgeing that it is 2012 instead of 1985.

Longy,
1) You still haven't given any informed comments on the following, despite numerous requests.
"As I have been saying, Crude Oil Prices have gone from US$10 in the late 1990's, to nearly US$150 in 2008, then back to around US$40 in 2009 and now they are back to around US$100.

The big Oil fields such as Ghawar & Burgan in the Middle East are either at or already in their declining years & the North Sea is well into its Decline phase.

This is really basic stuff, which you continue to avoid, as being the main reason for the big Price increases -
IT IS BASIC ECONOMICS
IT IS SUPPLY & DEMAND!!!

As for your new Energy sources, you continue to say nothing about how to avoid those being Net Energy Sinks!"
Could it possible be that IF you did, it would further expose your apparent lack of knowledge?

2) Have you "officially" given away the Longweekend ID?
If so, would you like me to close it down, for you?
Perhaps, you may "wish" to consider posting under the ID of Rip Van Winkle, given your apparent lengthy sleepovers in "Fairyland"?
After all, you have just woken up, since going to sleep when Crude Oil was still plentiful and that's quite a while ago. In fact, its back in the days of "sleeping Beauty" (Ha! Ha!) & back in the days of the Exponential Growth Fairy, who (as is apparent) died some time ago, may it RIP.

Btw, as has been pointed out previously, there is a spellcheck facility on this site, it really doesn't take too long Longy and it may help you appear a little better?

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Reply #475 - Aug 8^th, 2012 at 2:20pm

If you work in any Manufacturing Industry and your job is insecure because the Government has removed tariff protection on your industry - send a letter to citizen Julia Gillard and threaten her with litigation unless she restores constitutional free customs and liberties to your industry immediately...Give her two weeks to comply with the law...

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Reply #476 - Aug 8^th, 2012 at 2:24pm

Perceptions - the movement in the price of oil per barrell in the last half decade has been driven in large part by speculation on the currency markets - much more so than traditional supply and demand curve.

We, along with our competitors, explained this in our lodged accounts and profit annoucements to Wall Street.

There's significant investment in other areas of technology - principally geo-thermal - but the fact is that petroleum will remain the number 1 source of energy for a significant period to come.

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Reply #477 - Aug 8^th, 2012 at 3:04pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 2:24pm:

Perceptions - the movement in the price of oil per barrell in the last half decade has been driven in large part by speculation on the currency markets - much more so than traditional supply and demand curve.

We, along with our competitors, explained this in our lodged accounts and profit annoucements to Wall Street.

There's significant investment in other areas of technology - principally geo-thermal - but the fact is that petroleum will remain the number 1 source of energy for a significant period to come.

I agree that Crude Oil will remain in the top 2 Energy Source positions, for most usual needs.

Oil & Coal will continue to dominate, because there are very few other real alternatives that can go full scale on a Global basis and the few that are about also have some problems. So, we are between a rock & a hard place, particularly in a Global Economy where the standard "Economic & Political Rule number 1", IS GROWTH.

I also agree that currency markets have had some impact on various issues, including but not limited to, Crude Oil Pricing and in particular in the lead up to and since the GFC started in 2007.

However, there was also a large movement in Oil Prices starting in the late 1990's, when Oil went from around US$10 to an all time high of US$147 just prior to the GFC stock market collapse in 2008 and the majority of that related to "Supply/Demand" perceptions of the broader markets.

There has also been a great deal of market manipulation of currencies & markets in general, by Central Banks, with the US Fed & the ECB leading the way.

In fact, at most points in the modern Economics era and in particular the last 100 years, the Central Banks (in particular the US Fed) would have eaten 99% of all Economic hiccups before breakfast.

However, on this occasion, with a mixture of Demographics, Energy Supply/Demand problems & Climate Change leading the way to monstrous Debt problems & more, much more, and whilst they are trying hard, THEY HAVE NO CHANCE OF WINNING!

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Reply #478 - Aug 8^th, 2012 at 5:19pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 2:09pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 1:01pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 12:06pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

Yet you talk about electric vehicles that are being developed and going on sale in the USA but not in Australia?

So why mention them? You haven't got them mate....

Wink

By the way, did you know my company holds more than 25 patent rights on electric vehicle development?

Just so you know.....

But they are on sale in Australia now. The Nissan Leaf and Mitsubishi iMiev is now available in Australia and GM will be flogging it's plugin hybrid here in October. The reason why I keep mentioning EV's is because we keep throwing good money after bad at the likes of ford and holden and they keep making obsolete sh.t that nobody wants anymore. That's why i keep mentioning it Sad

And your electric vehicle patents are not worth a hat full of dogs tits if you don't sell a product that uses them !!

Also you keep mentioning how petrol is cheaper in the USA but you fail to mention that the average wage is much lower than in Australia so of course they can't afford to pay what we pay for petrol Wink

So what EV do you drive? based on your abusive evangelistic promotion of then, it would be reasonable to assume you drive an EV? Correct?

Listen gold_wank that is totally irrelevant just as not being able to talk about the shuttle because I don't own one. What have I stated about EV's that is not correct ? Stick to the facts instead of introducing strawman fallacies. You really are a time wasting troll on these forums Sad

The last time an actual EV owner who owns a Toyota RAV4-EV and runs the website www.evnut.com came onto this forum you were rude and abrupt to him and weren't interested in debating with him in an intelligent way so don't bloody well tell me how the whole argument of EV's hinges on me owning and driving one Sad

Go pull your head in you sanctimonious piece of sh.t !!

But you arent telling everyone to go buy a shuttle. You are telling them to buy an EV in pretty abusive terms. So are you a prime hypocrite or what? You dont own an EV? It makes you look pretty silly!

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Reply #479 - Aug 8^th, 2012 at 5:25pm

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 2:19pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 1:00pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 12:53pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 11:51pm:

Honestly perceptions, its like talking to a deaf man. You simply dont hear. yes prices have risen. Amazing, isnt it! Can you possibly imagine a world in which proices actually rise? FACT. petrol prices have risen below the CPI for the last 20 years. Simpletons however who have the memory of a goldfish with the intellect to match remember only the price from last weeks discount level. SIX YEARS ago, I was paying $1.80/liter for 98 octane and now I am paying $1.58. Amazing isnt it.

it doesnt matter what anyone says to you, you are deaf dumb and blind to any new information. You will go and live in your hole pretending that oil has run out while the rest of use drive our cars fuelled by the oil fields and technology you just pretend dont exist. The same way people like you said we'd run out of fuel in 1985 and 2000.

Tar sands, shale oil... they are just words to you but there is no way you will ever change your view because you lack the capacity to learn. vast new oil fields are opening up because the price of oil on the global market is high. It is almost as if you know absolutely nothing at all about economics while quoting 'supply and demand' yet knowing nothing about beyond a year 7 understanding.

Go dig a hole and shout that the end of the world is coming. And let us just laugh. I certianly am already doing so.

Longy,

As I have been saying, Crude Oil Prices have gone from US$10 in the late 1990's, to nearly US$150 in 2008, then back to around US$40 in 2009 and now they are back to around US$100.

The big Oil fields such as Ghawar & Burgan in the Middle East are either at or already in their declining years & the North Sea is well into its Decline phase.

This is really basic stuff, which you continue to avoid, as being the main reason for the big Price increases -
IT IS BASIC ECONOMICS
IT IS SUPPLY & DEMAND!!!

As for your new Energy sources, you continue to say nothing about how to avoid those being Net Energy Sinks!

When/IF you start making some informed comments about these issues, I may consider you something other than a "Comedian".

you are a stupid old fool, perceptions. It doesnt matter what anyone says to you, your tune remains the same. IM sure your car has an 8track player and had to have indicators retro-fitted. is there anythign in your head that takes note of TODAY and how things are changing. You keep talking about net energy sinks trying to pretend that you know what it means. For starters, do you think the oil companies might have a comment or two to make on that? Do you really think that they are spending billions on oil recovery that costs more to extract thatthey will recoup? If you beleive that then you really are a very silly person.

Maintain your denial. dig another room in your bomb shelter. You seem incapable of acknoweldgeing that it is 2012 instead of 1985.

Longy,
1) You still haven't given any informed comments on the following, despite numerous requests.
"As I have been saying, Crude Oil Prices have gone from US$10 in the late 1990's, to nearly US$150 in 2008, then back to around US$40 in 2009 and now they are back to around US$100.

The big Oil fields such as Ghawar & Burgan in the Middle East are either at or already in their declining years & the North Sea is well into its Decline phase.

This is really basic stuff, which you continue to avoid, as being the main reason for the big Price increases -
IT IS BASIC ECONOMICS
IT IS SUPPLY & DEMAND!!!

As for your new Energy sources, you continue to say nothing about how to avoid those being Net Energy Sinks!"
Could it possible be that IF you did, it would further expose your apparent lack of knowledge?

2) Have you "officially" given away the Longweekend ID?
If so, would you like me to close it down, for you?
Perhaps, you may "wish" to consider posting under the ID of Rip Van Winkle, given your apparent lengthy sleepovers in "Fairyland"?
After all, you have just woken up, since going to sleep when Crude Oil was still plentiful and that's quite a while ago. In fact, its back in the days of "sleeping Beauty" (Ha! Ha!) & back in the days of the Exponential Growth Fairy, who (as is apparent) died some time ago, may it RIP.

Btw, as has been pointed out previously, there is a spellcheck facility on this site, it really doesn't take too long Longy and it may help you appear a little better?

prices of oil have risen and fallen sharply and will do so again. so what is your point? Is this breathtakingly astonishing news to anyone? Is oil the first product or service to have massive rises and falls in cost?

You have still not ONCE addressed the issue of new oil fields improved technology at all just saying 'energy sinks' and thinking that is an answer. it's not. Or is it that somehow you know a great deal more than oil companies who are currently exploring and retrieiving such oil?

You cannot have a discussion on peak oil if you simply and obstinately refuse to accept any changes in oil supply or technology in the last 20 years as you have done. It renders your conclusions patently absurd.

So at the risk of inviting yet another repetition of your cut-and-past replies can you finally, just once, address improved technology, newly viable oil fields and *shock horror* unpredictable events that may render your deeply deeply depressive predictions invalid? Or are you going to pretend that you are the oracle and everyone else is wrong?

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