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Reply #585 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:32pm

Verge wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 11:06am:

An electric car has a range of say, 150kms.

How many KW of electricity is needed to charge the batteries in order to achieve that?

Hi Verge,
only the manufacturers could give you a rough estimate of this value.
It would depend on many variables including:
the weight of the car
the amount of head winds
the number of stops & starts
the speed of the car as higher speeds would be less efficient

Maybe you could pick a particular electric vehicle &
do some research to tell everyone?

Of more interest is the cost of the energy:

One thing for sure - Nail is right - as usual -
it would be a lot less than the price of petrol in a normal car.
I heard figures of about $1 to $3 per day to run an electric car from most people
who just drive half an hour to work & back every day.
Of course the cost is $0 if you have solar electric cells on the roof of your
house & charge the grid during the day & recharge your battery at night especially with a high feed in tariff.

Hope that helps Verge?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104670 Melbourne Gender:	Re: FORD.R.I.P. Reply #586 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:40pm Perceptions writing about Longweekend/Gold Quote: you've posted 37.5 absolute drivel posts, every day, since you stopped being Longy (well sort of stopped). Good post Perceptions.
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Reply #587 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:18pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:46pm:

so you actually dont know the detailed answers. How not surprising. You never do. Verge knows more about EVs than you do - as do I. At least we are open-minded enough to know our facts. All you know are the conspiracies.

and you don't know anything at all !!

for a start he never specified the make and model of the vehicle so a general question only gets a general answer.

It's like asking the power comsumption of an electric heater or light bulb. Which one ??

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Reply #588 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:58pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:32pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 11:06am:

An electric car has a range of say, 150kms.

How many KW of electricity is needed to charge the batteries in order to achieve that?

Hi Verge,
only the manufacturers could give you a rough estimate of this value.
It would depend on many variables including:
the weight of the car
the amount of head winds
the number of stops & starts
the speed of the car as higher speeds would be less efficient

Maybe you could pick a particular electric vehicle &
do some research to tell everyone?

Of more interest is the cost of the energy:

One thing for sure - Nail is right - as usual -
it would be a lot less than the price of petrol in a normal car.
I heard figures of about $1 to $3 per day to run an electric car from most people
who just drive half an hour to work & back every day.
Of course the cost is $0 if you have solar electric cells on the roof of your
house & charge the grid during the day & recharge your battery at night especially with a high feed in tariff.

Hope that helps Verge?

and you claim to be an electronics engineer???? NONE of those factors affect recharge time on a battery. Not a single one. What you are referring to is DISCHARGE rate.

A 90% (or whatever) battery will take x time to recharge at y current no matter what the weather is.

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Reply #589 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:00pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:18pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:46pm:

so you actually dont know the detailed answers. How not surprising. You never do. Verge knows more about EVs than you do - as do I. At least we are open-minded enough to know our facts. All you know are the conspiracies.

and you don't know anything at all !!

for a start he never specified the make and model of the vehicle so a general question only gets a general answer.

It's like asking the power comsumption of an electric heater or light bulb. Which one ??

you just didnt know the answer or even likely the question. It is the same as you silly arguments about fast chargers which can recharge an EV in an hour and all you need is access to a 200kw power supply - because we all have those... I have 3phase power and my theoretical max is 28.8Kw.

try again.

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Reply #590 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:18pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:32pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 11:06am:

An electric car has a range of say, 150kms.

How many KW of electricity is needed to charge the batteries in order to achieve that?

Hi Verge,
only the manufacturers could give you a rough estimate of this value.
It would depend on many variables including:
the weight of the car
the amount of head winds
the number of stops & starts
the speed of the car as higher speeds would be less efficient

Maybe you could pick a particular electric vehicle &
do some research to tell everyone?

Of more interest is the cost of the energy:

One thing for sure - Nail is right - as usual -
it would be a lot less than the price of petrol in a normal car.
I heard figures of about $1 to $3 per day to run an electric car from most people
who just drive half an hour to work & back every day.
Of course the cost is $0 if you have solar electric cells on the roof of your
house & charge the grid during the day & recharge your battery at night especially with a high feed in tariff.

Hope that helps Verge?

and you claim to be an electronics engineer???? NONE of those factors affect recharge time on a battery. Not a single one. What you are referring to is DISCHARGE rate.

A 90% (or whatever) battery will take x time to recharge at y current no matter what the weather is.

The question was not about recharge time.

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Reply #591 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 10:48pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:32pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 11:06am:

An electric car has a range of say, 150kms.

How many KW of electricity is needed to charge the batteries in order to achieve that?

Hi Verge,
only the manufacturers could give you a rough estimate of this value.
It would depend on many variables including:
the weight of the car
the amount of head winds
the number of stops & starts
the speed of the car as higher speeds would be less efficient

Maybe you could pick a particular electric vehicle &
do some research to tell everyone?

Of more interest is the cost of the energy:

One thing for sure - Nail is right - as usual -
it would be a lot less than the price of petrol in a normal car.
I heard figures of about $1 to $3 per day to run an electric car from most people
who just drive half an hour to work & back every day.
Of course the cost is $0 if you have solar electric cells on the roof of your
house & charge the grid during the day & recharge your battery at night especially with a high feed in tariff.

Hope that helps Verge?

and you claim to be an electronics engineer???? NONE of those factors affect recharge time on a battery. Not a single one. What you are referring to is DISCHARGE rate.

A 90% (or whatever) battery will take x time to recharge at y current no matter what the weather is.

Nissan claim a fast charge rate of 80% capacity on its Leaf within 30 minutes Wink

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Reply #592 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 10:54pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:00pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:18pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:46pm:

so you actually dont know the detailed answers. How not surprising. You never do. Verge knows more about EVs than you do - as do I. At least we are open-minded enough to know our facts. All you know are the conspiracies.

and you don't know anything at all !!

for a start he never specified the make and model of the vehicle so a general question only gets a general answer.

It's like asking the power comsumption of an electric heater or light bulb. Which one ??

you just didnt know the answer or even likely the question. It is the same as you silly arguments about fast chargers which can recharge an EV in an hour and all you need is access to a 200kw power supply - because we all have those... I have 3phase power and my theoretical max is 28.8Kw.

try again.

And do you own a fossil fool bowser at home ?? Why not ??

Nissan offer fast chargers that can charge their LEAF EV to 80% capacity in 30 minutes. Of course those chargers are not for home use just as a fossil fool bowser is not for home use. But the slow charger is for home use and the fossil fool equivalent of a slow charger is what ?????

Now with a 30 minute charge time the dipstick will find something else wrong to whine about Sad

Fricken deadbeat luddite Sad

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104670 Melbourne Gender:	Re: FORD.R.I.P. Reply #593 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 11:00pm Longweekend/Gold, Quote: 200kw power supply - because we all have those... I have 3phase power and my theoretical max is 28.8Kw. 200 divided by 28.8 = 7.0 hours to charge the battery. What is your point?
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Reply #594 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 11:05pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 11:00pm:

Longweekend/Gold,
Quote:

200kw power supply - because we all have those... I have 3phase power and my theoretical max is 28.8Kw.

200 divided by 28.8 = 7.0 hours to charge the battery.

What is your point?

the Nissan fast charger requires 50KW and gold_muppet has more than half the capacity so it will take less than 1 hour for an 80% charge !!

Anything wrong with that gold_muppet since you always pull yourself over not being able to fast charge ?? Your god only knows what you do with your car when you are sleeping during the night which is when most normal people would be charging up but then you are not normal are you Wink

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104670 Melbourne Gender:	Re: FORD.R.I.P. Reply #595 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 11:34pm Hi Nail, Longweekend/Gold has nothing to offer anyone in terms of an intelligent debate. Look how he is losing this debate? Electric vehicles will be mass produced sooner than he thinks. Maybe he'll buy one & tell us all how good it is & all the money saved in running costs?
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Reply #596 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 8:43am

Okay, just trying to do some calculations.

The nissan leaf has an average range of 140kms.

Using the on-board 3.3 kW charger the Leaf can be fully recharged from empty in 8 hours from a 220/240-volt 30 amp supply. So 3.3kw x 8 hours is 26.4kw.

To generate this kind of electricity I would need a 5kw solar installation.

This costs approximatley $13,500, as my neighbour just put this system on.

Solar has a repay time of 4 years.

To look at it realistically, its a lot of outlay for a small vehicle.

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Reply #597 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:17am

Verge wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 8:43am:

Okay, just trying to do some calculations.

The nissan leaf has an average range of 140kms.

Using the on-board 3.3 kW charger the Leaf can be fully recharged from empty in 8 hours from a 220/240-volt 30 amp supply. So 3.3kw x 8 hours is 26.4kw.

To generate this kind of electricity I would need a 5kw solar installation.

This costs approximatley $13,500, as my neighbour just put this system on.

Solar has a repay time of 4 years.

To look at it realistically, its a lot of outlay for a small vehicle.

Sure - it's a big outlay but imagine one day if the petrol runs out or gets super expensive.
I am writing about the future here when the cost of electric vehicles & solar cells will go down quite a lot.
Just as Nail said - when LCD computer monitors came out a little 14" one was about $800
but now you can buy a 27" monitor for $370.

Large LCD TV s were over $4,000 - now they are about $1,000.

I am waiting for the Chinese to make an EV for under $20,000.
I don't want to be the first to buy - I will wait & see the reviews first.

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Reply #598 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:07am

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 10:48pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:32pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 11:06am:

An electric car has a range of say, 150kms.

How many KW of electricity is needed to charge the batteries in order to achieve that?

Hi Verge,
only the manufacturers could give you a rough estimate of this value.
It would depend on many variables including:
the weight of the car
the amount of head winds
the number of stops & starts
the speed of the car as higher speeds would be less efficient

Maybe you could pick a particular electric vehicle &
do some research to tell everyone?

Of more interest is the cost of the energy:

One thing for sure - Nail is right - as usual -
it would be a lot less than the price of petrol in a normal car.
I heard figures of about $1 to $3 per day to run an electric car from most people
who just drive half an hour to work & back every day.
Of course the cost is $0 if you have solar electric cells on the roof of your
house & charge the grid during the day & recharge your battery at night especially with a high feed in tariff.

Hope that helps Verge?

and you claim to be an electronics engineer???? NONE of those factors affect recharge time on a battery. Not a single one. What you are referring to is DISCHARGE rate.

A 90% (or whatever) battery will take x time to recharge at y current no matter what the weather is.

Nissan claim a fast charge rate of 80% capacity on its Leaf within 30 minutes Wink

on what size connection? 200Kw?

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Reply #599 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:09am

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 10:54pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:00pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:18pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:46pm:

so you actually dont know the detailed answers. How not surprising. You never do. Verge knows more about EVs than you do - as do I. At least we are open-minded enough to know our facts. All you know are the conspiracies.

and you don't know anything at all !!

for a start he never specified the make and model of the vehicle so a general question only gets a general answer.

It's like asking the power comsumption of an electric heater or light bulb. Which one ??

you just didnt know the answer or even likely the question. It is the same as you silly arguments about fast chargers which can recharge an EV in an hour and all you need is access to a 200kw power supply - because we all have those... I have 3phase power and my theoretical max is 28.8Kw.

try again.

And do you own a fossil fool bowser at home ?? Why not ??

Nissan offer fast chargers that can charge their LEAF EV to 80% capacity in 30 minutes. Of course those chargers are not for home use just as a fossil fool bowser is not for home use. But the slow charger is for home use and the fossil fool equivalent of a slow charger is what ?????

Now with a 30 minute charge time the dipstick will find something else wrong to whine about Sad

Fricken deadbeat luddite Sad

so if they are so good why dont YOU buy one?

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