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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104678 Melbourne Gender:	Re: FORD.R.I.P. Reply #600 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 11:18am Bobby. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 11:00pm: Longweekend/Gold, Quote: 200kw power supply - because we all have those... I have 3phase power and my theoretical max is 28.8Kw. 200 divided by 28.8 = 7.0 hours to charge the battery. What is your point? bump - still no reply from that deadbeat.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104678 Melbourne Gender:	Re: FORD.R.I.P. Reply #601 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 11:34am Where is my post? OK - now it's there. there is a problem when your last post has to jump to the next page.
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Reply #602 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:12pm

Verge wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 8:43am:

Okay, just trying to do some calculations.

The nissan leaf has an average range of 140kms.

Using the on-board 3.3 kW charger the Leaf can be fully recharged from empty in 8 hours from a 220/240-volt 30 amp supply. So 3.3kw x 8 hours is 26.4kw.

To generate this kind of electricity I would need a 5kw solar installation.

This costs approximatley $13,500, as my neighbour just put this system on.

Solar has a repay time of 4 years.

To look at it realistically, its a lot of outlay for a small vehicle.

So what. Some people are forking out $100 a week in petrol to drive their car to work each week. That's $5000 a year plus another $1000 on maintenance !! $13,500 for a 5KW solar PV array is a few years worth of driving a petrol car !! Don't tell you think driving a fossil fool car is a good investment !!

Do your calculations properly.

How much electricity did you use ?? At 20 cents per KWh that's about 5 bucks !! How much at the fossil fool bowser ??

and how do you ever recover the costs on your fossil fool usage ?? People don't just install solar PV arrays for electric cars. There are lots of other appliances it can help offset.

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Reply #603 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:42pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:12pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 8:43am:

Okay, just trying to do some calculations.

The nissan leaf has an average range of 140kms.

Using the on-board 3.3 kW charger the Leaf can be fully recharged from empty in 8 hours from a 220/240-volt 30 amp supply. So 3.3kw x 8 hours is 26.4kw.

To generate this kind of electricity I would need a 5kw solar installation.

This costs approximatley $13,500, as my neighbour just put this system on.

Solar has a repay time of 4 years.

To look at it realistically, its a lot of outlay for a small vehicle.

So what. Some people are forking out $100 a week in petrol to drive their car to work each week. That's $5000 a year plus another $1000 on maintenance !! $13,500 for a 5KW solar PV array is a few years worth of driving a petrol car !! Don't tell you think driving a fossil fool car is a good investment !!

Do your calculations properly.

How much electricity did you use ?? At 20 cents per KWh that's about 5 bucks !! How much at the fossil fool bowser ??

and how do you ever recover the costs on your fossil fool usage ?? People don't just install solar PV arrays for electric cars. There are lots of other appliances it can help offset.

But you arent factoring in how the electric car hasnt reached economies of scale yet.

The nissan leaf is over $10k more than a car of equivelent size and comfort.

Like Bobby has said, better of waiting for them to be $20k.

At $30k, its still cheaper to have a petrol car.

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Reply #604 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:56pm

So to do 140kms you need 26kw.

Its not hard for a person to do 20,000kms per year.

20,000/140 x 26kw x 20cents = $742.86

Our Nissan does 8.2L p/100kms.

20000/100 x 8.2L x 1.45P/L = $2,378 petrol.
2 x services per year = $400.

So our Nissan costs $2,778 to your nissan leaf of $742.

So its $2,036 cheaper assuming the Leaf has zero maintenance costs.

The hyundai 120 retails for about $16k, the Nissan Leaf of similar size retails for $51k as I just looked up on car sales.

Thats a lot of petrol man.

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Reply #605 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:18pm

Verge wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:56pm:

So to do 140kms you need 26kw.

Its not hard for a person to do 20,000kms per year.

20,000/140 x 26kw x 20cents = $742.86

Our Nissan does 8.2L p/100kms.

20000/100 x 8.2L x 1.45P/L = $2,378 petrol.
2 x services per year = $400.

So our Nissan costs $2,778 to your nissan leaf of $742.

So its $2,036 cheaper assuming the Leaf has zero maintenance costs.

The hyundai 120 retails for about $16k, the Nissan Leaf of similar size retails for $51k as I just looked up on car sales.

Thats a lot of petrol man.

So why didn't you buy a hyundai then ??

Try driving it through peak hour stop start traffic as most people do these days Sad

My wife just paid $500+ for a major service on her Mazda and they still wanted another $130 for a radiator flush !! They really know how to charge Sad

You are dreaming if the average person can get out of spending $1000 a year on parts and maintenance on a fossil fool vehicle !!

And the Leaf sells for around 30K in the US even when the AUD is above parity. Go figure !!

Blame your greedy retailer chain for that as usual Sad

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Reply #606 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:19pm

Verge wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:56pm:

So to do 140kms you need 26kw.

Its not hard for a person to do 20,000kms per year.

20,000/140 x 26kw x 20cents = $742.86

Our Nissan does 8.2L p/100kms.

20000/100 x 8.2L x 1.45P/L = $2,378 petrol.
2 x services per year = $400.

So our Nissan costs $2,778 to your nissan leaf of $742.

So its $2,036 cheaper assuming the Leaf has zero maintenance costs.

The hyundai 120 retails for about $16k, the Nissan Leaf of similar size retails for $51k as I just looked up on car sales.

Thats a lot of petrol man.

And therein lies the problem and one of two big reasons EV sales are so pathetic. EVs are vastly more expensive to have and run than petrol cars while being vastly less useful.

One day that may change but until then, only a moron would pay a whole lot more for a whole lot less car just because he might save a few thousands dollars a year in fuel.

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Reply #607 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:26pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:19pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:56pm:

So to do 140kms you need 26kw.

Its not hard for a person to do 20,000kms per year.

20,000/140 x 26kw x 20cents = $742.86

Our Nissan does 8.2L p/100kms.

20000/100 x 8.2L x 1.45P/L = $2,378 petrol.
2 x services per year = $400.

So our Nissan costs $2,778 to your nissan leaf of $742.

So its $2,036 cheaper assuming the Leaf has zero maintenance costs.

The hyundai 120 retails for about $16k, the Nissan Leaf of similar size retails for $51k as I just looked up on car sales.

Thats a lot of petrol man.

And therein lies the problem and one of two big reasons EV sales are so pathetic. EVs are vastly more expensive to have and run than petrol cars while being vastly less useful.

One day that may change but until then, only a moron would pay a whole lot more for a whole lot less car just because he might save a few thousands dollars a year in fuel.

No problems muppet. Just look at the undisputable facts Sad

Nissan Leaf in the US costs $30K USD

Nissan Leaf in Australia costs $50K AUD

1 AUD = 1.052 USD

Go Figure !!

Locally built Holden Cruze Petrol car costs $20K

Fully Imported Holden Cruze Petrol car costs $20K

Locally built Toyota Camry Hybrid costs $30K

Fully Imported Holden Cruze (GM Volt) Hybrid costs $60K

Go figure !!

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gold_medal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3897 Gender:	Re: FORD.R.I.P. Reply #608 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:33pm So go and buy an EV then. Stop sprouting your endless irrelevant crap and go and buy one. Stop pestering everyone with your abusive idiocy and GO AND BUY AN EV. there are EVs available now from neither GM or FOrd so GO AND BUY AN EV You sound like a petulant child and nothing more.
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Reply #609 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:38pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:33pm:

So go and buy an EV then. Stop sprouting your endless irrelevant crap and go and buy one.

Stop pestering everyone with your abusive idiocy and GO AND BUY AN EV.

there are EVs available now from neither GM or FOrd so GO AND BUY AN EV

You sound like a petulant child and nothing more.

if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen !!

There are others that appreciate what I write and I don't just post for the sake of scoring trophy points like you do muppet Sad

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Reply #610 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:40pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:38pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:33pm:

So go and buy an EV then. Stop sprouting your endless irrelevant crap and go and buy one.

Stop pestering everyone with your abusive idiocy and GO AND BUY AN EV.

there are EVs available now from neither GM or FOrd so GO AND BUY AN EV

You sound like a petulant child and nothing more.

if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen !!

There are others that appreciate what I write and I don't just post for the sake of scoring trophy points like you do muppet Sad

name ONE other than bobby. the consensus is that you are a petulant moron. Most comments are unprintable.

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Reply #611 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:50pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:18pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:56pm:

So to do 140kms you need 26kw.

Its not hard for a person to do 20,000kms per year.

20,000/140 x 26kw x 20cents = $742.86

Our Nissan does 8.2L p/100kms.

20000/100 x 8.2L x 1.45P/L = $2,378 petrol.
2 x services per year = $400.

So our Nissan costs $2,778 to your nissan leaf of $742.

So its $2,036 cheaper assuming the Leaf has zero maintenance costs.

The hyundai 120 retails for about $16k, the Nissan Leaf of similar size retails for $51k as I just looked up on car sales.

Thats a lot of petrol man.

So why didn't you buy a hyundai then ??

Try driving it through peak hour stop start traffic as most people do these days Sad

My wife just paid $500+ for a major service on her Mazda and they still wanted another $130 for a radiator flush !! They really know how to charge Sad

You are dreaming if the average person can get out of spending $1000 a year on parts and maintenance on a fossil fool vehicle !!

And the Leaf sells for around 30K in the US even when the AUD is above parity. Go figure !!

Blame your greedy retailer chain for that as usual Sad

I needed a larger car than an i20.

I was merely pointing out for size the leaf and i20 are compariable for size.

One costs $16k and the other costs $51k.

When you own brand new cars, maintenance is very minimal. One of the reasons I bought a nissan is their low servicing costs.

So why dont you import a leaf for $30k?

It tarriffs are what are out of control, not the retail network.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104678 Melbourne Gender:	Re: FORD.R.I.P. Reply #612 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:58pm Verge, you turn right when you enter a plane - not left in economy class. You have the money to buy an EV & keep your petrol car. Do it & let us know how it goes.
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Reply #613 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 2:02pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:58pm:

Verge,
you turn right when you enter a plane -
not left in economy class.
You have the money to buy an EV & keep your petrol car.

Do it & let us know how it goes. Wink

I go to the back of the plane mate, never heard of one backing into a mountain.

If they made an EV Ute I might consider it since my ute doesnt go very far at all.

The car I packaged for my wife needs to hold two kids, pram and long distance driving. There is no EV currently on the market that can do that.

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Reply #614 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 2:08pm

Verge wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 2:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:58pm:

Verge,
you turn right when you enter a plane -
not left in economy class.
You have the money to buy an EV & keep your petrol car.

Do it & let us know how it goes. Wink

I go to the back of the plane mate, never heard of one backing into a mountain.

If they made an EV Ute I might consider it since my ute doesnt go very far at all.

The car I packaged for my wife needs to hold two kids, pram and long distance driving. There is no EV currently on the market that can do that.

You boasted before that you only fly first class.

Buy an EV.

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