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Reply #1 - Jul 21^st, 2012 at 12:33pm

Nissan is now importing and selling the all electric LEAF.
Mitsubishi is importing the all electric MiEV and leasing it out to fleets.
By September/October of this year Holden will be importing and selling its plugin hybrid VOLT.
Renaulkt will be importing and selling it's all electric Flaurence with swappable battery technology some time this year.
The all electric Ford Focus TBA.
The chinese and Koreans are developing their versions of plugin hybrids and all electric cars.

The BIG question is is why, for all of the billions that has been pumped into these foreign car corporations is why none of them have produced a car with an electric plug on the end ?

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: How to deal with Car Manufacturing Industry Reply #2 - Jul 21^st, 2012 at 12:35pm Why do we bail them out anyway? Especially since with the carbon tax we are trying to get rid of them arent we? Doublethink. SOB
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Reply #3 - Jul 21^st, 2012 at 4:22pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 12:35pm:

Why do we bail them out anyway?

Especially since with the carbon tax we are trying to get rid of them arent we? Doublethink.

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yes why do we bail them out and no one else ?

If the pollies think other businesses are not worthy of a bailout then why take taxes off them ?

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Shane B Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1473 Canberra Gender:	Re: How to deal with Car Manufacturing Industry Reply #4 - Jul 21^st, 2012 at 4:50pm Mining companies produce ore, not metals.
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Reply #5 - Jul 21^st, 2012 at 5:04pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 12:35pm:

Why do we bail them out anyway?

Especially since with the carbon tax we are trying to get rid of them arent we? Doublethink.

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You must be Japanese...why do we give Japanese manufacturers a competitive advantage over our own by abolishing Tariffs?

A.) because of halfwits like you. Cool

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Reply #6 - Jul 21^st, 2012 at 11:13pm

I don't have a problem with Govt investing in the automotive industry, sensibly. It employs many people both directly and indirectly and contributes to advanced skills in engineering etc. We are one of only 15 countries worldwide with the capability to produce a vehicle right through from design to production, and we are certainly not alone in providing Govt assistance to automotive industry. IIRC, there are only 2 or 3 car manufacturing countries that don't provide assistance to the industry. The industry in the US, UK, Germany, Sth Africa, Sweden, Thailand (and many more) all get major Govt assistance.

There's nothing wrong with Australian made cars. On a value basis they are the equal of anything else in their class anywhere in the World. The problem is that they are not made by Australian companies and so they have little to gain by maintaining an Australian manufacturing operation. eg: The Falcon and Territory would be perfect for the US market. But they would decimate the sales of the Crown Vic and Exploder, so Ford does not want to export them there.

The key to getting value for the investment dollar is to tie it to exports. Only Toyota currently has a large export program for its vehicles, while Ford (especially) and Holden only have small export programs. The Govt should get serious about the industry and offer them major assistance. But only on the condition that they meet KPIs on exports of the vehicles.

All the vehicle manufacturers now are moving towards a worldwide standardised product line. There is no reason why Ford Australia could not be the production source of, say, the mid-size SUV for the World market (ie the Territory). Toyota have done it, Holden/GM have made a half-hearted attempt, Ford have done nothing.

The Govt needs to give the manufacturers an ultimatum: Take our money and export or get nothing and go away.

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Reply #7 - Jul 21^st, 2012 at 11:29pm

The Australian Government is legally obliged to add tariffs to every car imported to Australia to make sure they meet normal Australian production cost standards to make sure our manufacturing industries are not unfairly under cut.... Only the Rise Up Australia Party will ensure this happens and Australian conditions and laws are not circumvented....http://riseupaustraliaparty.com

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Reply #8 - Jul 21^st, 2012 at 11:50pm

Prevailing wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 11:29pm:

The Australian Government is legally obliged to add tariffs to every car imported to Australia to make sure they meet normal Australian production cost standards to make sure our manufacturing industries are not unfairly under cut....

While you can make a case for some tariff protection, there is also a downside. Tariffs can make manufacturers lazy when it comes to quality and value for money. I'd be happy with tariffs to stay where they are now.

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Only the Rise Up Australia Party will ensure this happens and Australian conditions and laws are not circumvented....http://riseupaustraliaparty.com

Isn't a little bit ironic that the "rise up Australia party", arguing for keeping things Australian, does not even have an Australian domain name (ie .au)?....and, worse, has a website that is hosted in the US by a US-owned company. How can one argue for keeping things Australian when they don't even bother to host their own website here? Roll Eyes

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Reply #9 - Jul 22^nd, 2012 at 12:05am

NBNMyths wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 11:50pm:

Prevailing wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 11:29pm:

The Australian Government is legally obliged to add tariffs to every car imported to Australia to make sure they meet normal Australian production cost standards to make sure our manufacturing industries are not unfairly under cut....

While you can make a case for some tariff protection, there is also a downside. Tariffs can make manufacturers lazy when it comes to quality and value for money. I'd be happy with tariffs to stay where they are now.

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Only the Rise Up Australia Party will ensure this happens and Australian conditions and laws are not circumvented....http://riseupaustraliaparty.com

Isn't a little bit ironic that the "rise up Australia party", arguing for keeping things Australian, does not even have an Australian domain name (ie .au)?....and, worse, has a website that is hosted in the US by a US-owned company. How can one argue for keeping things Australian when they don't even bother to host their own website here? Roll Eyes

Oh bite me, they are a grass roots outer metro working class social conservative party. They don't get the massive corporate funding that flows to the Greens and the lib/Lab...They use what is available for free. Tariffs are simply a level playing field to make sure the same production costs are incurred by our competitors and we are not competing with exploitative child labor, sweat shops and poor safety conditions. Tongue

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Reply #10 - Jul 22^nd, 2012 at 12:25am

Prevailing wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2012 at 12:05am:

NBNMyths wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 11:50pm:

Prevailing wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 11:29pm:

The Australian Government is legally obliged to add tariffs to every car imported to Australia to make sure they meet normal Australian production cost standards to make sure our manufacturing industries are not unfairly under cut....

While you can make a case for some tariff protection, there is also a downside. Tariffs can make manufacturers lazy when it comes to quality and value for money. I'd be happy with tariffs to stay where they are now.

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Only the Rise Up Australia Party will ensure this happens and Australian conditions and laws are not circumvented....http://riseupaustraliaparty.com

Isn't a little bit ironic that the "rise up Australia party", arguing for keeping things Australian, does not even have an Australian domain name (ie .au)?....and, worse, has a website that is hosted in the US by a US-owned company. How can one argue for keeping things Australian when they don't even bother to host their own website here? Roll Eyes

Oh bite me, they are a grass roots outer metro working class social conservative party. They don't get the massive corporate funding that flows to the Greens and the lib/Lab...They use what is available for free. Tariffs are simply a level playing field to make sure the same production costs are incurred by our competitors and we are not competing with exploitative child labor, sweat shops and poor safety conditions. Tongue

Riiight.... So you're happy to force everyone to pay 20% more for cars, but you're not happy to put your own money where your mouth is by spending an extra $24/year supporting a top Australian web host?
Rise Up Australia hosts in the USA for US$4/month: http://www.hostgator.com/
They could get Aust hosting here for A$6/month: http://www.ventraipeconomy.com.au/web-hosting/

....Or actually pay less than US hosting here: http://zuver.net.au/web-hosting

The hypocrisy, it burns. Roll Eyes

Oh, and our car manufacturers are losing out to other 1st-world car manufacturing nations such as the US and Japan, not to countries like China. A prospective Territory buyer doesn't choose a Great Wall ute instead. They might choose a Kluger though (if they haven't read the Wheels test -http://bit.ly/kluger1, http://bit.ly/kluger2), made in a safe and well-paid Japanese facility.

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Re: How to deal with Car Manufacturing Industry
Reply #11 - Jul 22^nd, 2012 at 12:47am

NBNMyths wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2012 at 12:25am:

Prevailing wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2012 at 12:05am:

NBNMyths wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 11:50pm:

Prevailing wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 11:29pm:

The Australian Government is legally obliged to add tariffs to every car imported to Australia to make sure they meet normal Australian production cost standards to make sure our manufacturing industries are not unfairly under cut....

While you can make a case for some tariff protection, there is also a downside. Tariffs can make manufacturers lazy when it comes to quality and value for money. I'd be happy with tariffs to stay where they are now.

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Only the Rise Up Australia Party will ensure this happens and Australian conditions and laws are not circumvented....http://riseupaustraliaparty.com

Isn't a little bit ironic that the "rise up Australia party", arguing for keeping things Australian, does not even have an Australian domain name (ie .au)?....and, worse, has a website that is hosted in the US by a US-owned company. How can one argue for keeping things Australian when they don't even bother to host their own website here? Roll Eyes

Oh bite me, they are a grass roots outer metro working class social conservative party. They don't get the massive corporate funding that flows to the Greens and the lib/Lab...They use what is available for free. Tariffs are simply a level playing field to make sure the same production costs are incurred by our competitors and we are not competing with exploitative child labor, sweat shops and poor safety conditions. Tongue

Riiight.... So you're happy to force everyone to pay 20% more for cars, but you're not happy to put your own money where your mouth is by spending an extra $24/year supporting a top Australian web host?
Rise Up Australia hosts in the USA for US$4/month: http://www.hostgator.com/
They could get Aust hosting here for A$6/month: http://www.ventraipeconomy.com.au/web-hosting/

....Or actually pay less than US hosting here: http://zuver.net.au/web-hosting

The hypocrisy, it burns. Roll Eyes

Oh, and our car manufacturers are losing out to other 1st-world car manufacturing nations such as the US and Japan, not to countries like China. A prospective Territory buyer doesn't choose a Great Wall ute instead. They might choose a Kluger though (if they haven't read the Wheels test -http://bit.ly/kluger1, http://bit.ly/kluger2), made in a safe and well-paid Japanese facility.

Yes I am happy to see you not buy cars manufactured under sub standard conditions not permitted in our own country and that is the true intent of our law. Australians may not be undercut in our own country by foreign competition given unfair advantage. You know it. Stick with your over funded corporate mates - the suburbs are rising and we are not going to take Gillard, Abbott or the greens crap any more...got efficiency? Cool

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Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: How to deal with Car Manufacturing Industry Reply #13 - Jul 22^nd, 2012 at 5:59pm Put tariffs and duties on imported products that make sure they comply with Australias production cost standards....Tariffs help prevent child exploitation/abuse and worker deaths....
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Reply #14 - Jul 22^nd, 2012 at 7:51pm

NBNMyths wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 11:13pm:

I don't have a problem with Govt investing in the automotive industry, sensibly. It employs many people both directly and indirectly and contributes to advanced skills in engineering etc. We are one of only 15 countries worldwide with the capability to produce a vehicle right through from design to production, and we are certainly not alone in providing Govt assistance to automotive industry. IIRC, there are only 2 or 3 car manufacturing countries that don't provide assistance to the industry. The industry in the US, UK, Germany, Sth Africa, Sweden, Thailand (and many more) all get major Govt assistance.

There's nothing wrong with Australian made cars. On a value basis they are the equal of anything else in their class anywhere in the World. The problem is that they are not made by Australian companies and so they have little to gain by maintaining an Australian manufacturing operation. eg: The Falcon and Territory would be perfect for the US market. But they would decimate the sales of the Crown Vic and Exploder, so Ford does not want to export them there.

The key to getting value for the investment dollar is to tie it to exports. Only Toyota currently has a large export program for its vehicles, while Ford (especially) and Holden only have small export programs. The Govt should get serious about the industry and offer them major assistance. But only on the condition that they meet KPIs on exports of the vehicles.

All the vehicle manufacturers now are moving towards a worldwide standardised product line. There is no reason why Ford Australia could not be the production source of, say, the mid-size SUV for the World market (ie the Territory). Toyota have done it, Holden/GM have made a half-hearted attempt, Ford have done nothing.

The Govt needs to give the manufacturers an ultimatum: Take our money and export or get nothing and go away.

RUBBISH !!

What about any all Australian business that gets nothing ?? Are they supposed to take it up the arse each time Holden and Ford gets bailed out ?

And how do countries like Germany have their OWN car industries which export premium quality cars all over the world whilst not having to continuously subsidize foreign car corporations ??

It's about time the Aussie gov grew a pair of balls and told these Holden and Ford scammers to f.ckoff. And they can leave all of their equipment behind because we have well and truly paid for that many times over !! It belongs to the Australian tax payer now.

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