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Reply #30 - Jul 22nd, 2012 at 12:52pm
 
Meat, please stop the personal insults.

Gun control seems to work fairly well in the UK and Australia, though it is a bit easier if you are an island. The argument that only the 'bad guys' will get guns does not measure up to reality. You only have to look at how many Australian holdups are done with a machete, syringe, bat, or speargun to see how easy it is to keep guns out of their hands. The vast majority of 'robberies gone wrong' are done by drug addicts, and the first thing they do with a gun is sell it for a fix, especially if the black market price is high due to effective gun control. On the other hand with a professional crim who knows how to use a gun, the last thing you want is wannabe heros getting themselves killed. Look at the recent video from the US. Those crims were imbeciles. In Australia they probably would not have had guns. So was the guy who tried to shoot them. If the crims had any sense of self preservation, they would have shot the old man.
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Reply #31 - Jul 22nd, 2012 at 12:58pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2012 at 12:51pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2012 at 5:09pm:
Hang em and hang em high.







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Reply #32 - Jul 22nd, 2012 at 1:02pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 22nd, 2012 at 12:52pm:
Meat, please stop the personal insults.



Excuse me!?

Yesterday I was called a war criminal several times, and nothing was said.

I've told someone they have a defeatist attitude, because they do indeed have a defeatist attitude and you ask me to stop the personal insults.  Unbelievable   Roll Eyes
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Reply #33 - Jul 22nd, 2012 at 1:27pm
 
Uncle Meat wrote on Jul 22nd, 2012 at 1:02pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 22nd, 2012 at 12:52pm:
Meat, please stop the personal insults.



Excuse me!?

Yesterday I was called a war criminal several times, and nothing was said.

I've told someone they have a defeatist attitude, because they do indeed have a defeatist attitude and you ask me to stop the personal insults.  Unbelievable   Roll Eyes


You do make personal insults
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Reply #34 - Jul 22nd, 2012 at 1:37pm
 
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2419/922/Witness:_2nd_Shooter_In_Colorado_Batman_...

Witness: 2nd Shooter In Colorado Batman Massacre

Published on Jul 21, 2012 by neymyliony

The killer has been identified as James Holmes. This footage shows the Batman Premiere in Aurora Movies where today was attacked by a gunman. At least 14 people are killed, and 50 people are injured. This video was recorded on an android phone. Rest in Peace to all the victims, and my thoughts and prayers are with the families of the victims, and the injured.

This footage is from Youtube User 13shantyltoledo
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Reply #35 - Jul 22nd, 2012 at 1:45pm
 
Uncle Meat wrote on Jul 22nd, 2012 at 12:14pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2012 at 12:05pm:
adelcrow wrote on Jul 22nd, 2012 at 8:26am:
While the American public allows the NRA to run the agenda this sort of thing will keep on happening.
No member of the public should have access to firearms..pure and simple.

And how are you going to enforce that kind of ideal?



Step One:  get over the defeatist attitude.


The State is supposed to have a defeatist attitude...it is bound by the legal restrictions placed on it and the lawful rights of citizens it may not take from us to defend ourselves, and effect arrests of offenders and illegal scum at large in our country with reasonable force. Smiley
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Reply #36 - Jul 22nd, 2012 at 2:18pm
 
By all the evidence the killer was an atheist, he prowled sex and dating sites on the internet and was prolly addicted to smut.  It is also revealed the killer James Holmes was an honors science student which opens up questions as to whether he was into any extremist ideology like Climate doomsday scenarios the Greens pedal. Sad
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Reply #37 - Jul 22nd, 2012 at 2:53pm
 
Renowned Mythologist Joseph Campbell once commented on all these USA Superheroes as their version of the Roman/Greek/etc Gods
...and thus people really do 'believe'.
Remember Jules Verne and his 'creations' of the future? Well Americans 'believed' and it all bacame a reality.

In the end though, I blame the Presidential position and the USA Constitution that allows anyone besides a Military personel to own/carry a GUN.

Personally, if there were a group of professionals from an assortment of professions - I should only have to expect a person in Military uniform to be carrying a gun and a person in Medical uniform to be carrying a syringe. Seems in the USA a person in Medical uniform can be carrying a gun as well. Roll Eyes

Obviously the USA has TOO MUCH freedom
and we have NOT ENOUGH conviction to stand up for ourselves in the world (Remember that word: CONVICTion Wink) and offer restraint for all the right reasons.

I have no sympathy for a nation that allows anyone to have a Gun besides the Military. If they can't trust their own Military to be the only ones in power of a Gun, then they should just get on with it and have an uprising  Angry.

They probably deserved such STUPIDITY as this massacre.  Roll Eyes I'm over for feeling sorrow for these USA massacres, let alone any in Australia that follow such silly ways. Tongue

...and yes, I've even told a Cop on ANZAC day - when he pulled me over "...and get rid of the gun! You ain't no soldier!" Angry
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Reply #38 - Jul 22nd, 2012 at 3:08pm
 
Prevailing wrote on Jul 22nd, 2012 at 2:18pm:
By all the evidence the killer was an atheist, he prowled sex and dating sites on the internet and was prolly addicted to smut.  It is also revealed the killer James Holmes was an honors science student which opens up questions as to whether he was into any extremist ideology like Climate doomsday scenarios the Greens pedal. Sad


Any evidence of this?.....Anyway he was also male and had brown hair.

Does this mean that all males are prone to such behaviour? Or all people with brown hair?

Both are of the same relevance as your statement.

Lets not forget that there have been plenty of Christian mass murderers over the centuries. The difference is that an atheist doesn't kill in the name of his lack-of-religion. Unlike religious fundamentalists, who tend to believe that God is on their side no matter what they do.
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Reply #39 - Jul 22nd, 2012 at 3:09pm
 
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Colorado suspect was brilliant science student


DENVER (AP) — James Eagen Holmes came from a well-tended San Diego enclave of two-story homes with red-tiled roofs, where neighbors recall him as a clean-cut, studious young man of sparing words.

Tall and dark-haired, he stared clear-eyed at the camera in a 2004 high school yearbook snapshot, wearing a white junior varsity soccer uniform — No. 16. The son of a nurse, Arlene, and a software company manager, Robert, James Holmes was a brilliant science scholar in college.

The biggest mystery surrounding the 24-year-old doctoral student was why he would have pulled on a gas mask and shot dozens of people early Friday in a suburban Denver movie theater, as police allege.

In the age of widespread social media, no trace of Holmes could be found on Facebook, LinkedIn, MySpace, Twitter or anywhere on the Web. Either he never engaged or he scrubbed his trail.

A longtime neighbor in San Diego, where Holmes grew up, remembers only a "shy guy ... a loner" from a churchgoing family. In addition to playing soccer at Westview High School, he ran cross country.

The bookish demeanor concealed an unspooling life. Holmes struggled to find work after graduating with highest honors in spring 2010 with a neuroscience degree from the University of California, Riverside, said the neighbor, retired electrical engineer Tom Mai.

Holmes enrolled last year in a neuroscience Ph.D. program at the University of Colorado-Denver but was in the process of withdrawing, said school officials, who didn't provide a reason. The school later said in a statement that he left the program in June 2012.

As part of the advanced program in Denver, a James Holmes had been listed as making a presentation in May about Micro DNA Biomarkers in a class named "Biological Basis of Psychiatric and Neurological Disorders."

In academic achievement, "he was at the top of the top," recalled Riverside Chancellor Timothy P. White.

Holmes concentrated his study on "how we all behave," White added. "It's ironic and sad."

From a distance, Holmes' life appears unblemished, a young man with unlimited potential. There are no indications he had problems with police.

Somehow, the acclaimed student and quiet neighbor reached a point where he painted his hair red, called himself "The Joker," the green-haired villain from the Batman movies, according to New York City Police Commissioner Ray Kelly, who said he had been briefed on the matter.

Police asked Ben Lung, 27, who lives in the same apartment building as Holmes, whether he had seen anyone with "noticeably dyed hair." Lung said he had not.

Authorities say Holmes arrived at the theater dressed in black, outfitted in a gas mask, ballistic helmet, vest and leggings, black tactical gloves and protectors on his throat and groin. He was armed with an assault-style rifle, a shotgun and Glock handgun.

Police said he started his attack by tossing two gas canisters into the theater, where he had bought a ticket for the midnight showing of "The Dark Knight Rises," the new Batman movie.

A federal law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing probe into the rampage, said Holmes bought four guns from retailers in the past two months.

Holmes bought his first Glock pistol in Aurora, Colo., on May 22. Six days later, he picked up a Remington shotgun in Denver. About two weeks later, he bought a .223 caliber Smith & Wesson rifle in Thornton, Colo., and then a second Glock in Denver on July 6 — 13 days before the shooting, the official said.

A high-volume drum magazine was attached to the rifle, an assault weapon, the official said. Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates said that a 100-round drum magazine for the rifle was recovered from the scene.

"I'm told by experts that with that drum magazine, he could have gotten off 50 to 60 rounds, even if it was semiautomatic, within one minute," Oates said at a news conference. "And as far as we know, it was a pretty rapid pace of fire in that theater."

Julie Adams, whose son played junior varsity soccer with Holmes, said her son remembered little about the suspect, which was unusual for the tight-knit team.

"I don't think many of the kids (teammates) knew him. He was kind of a loner," she said.

Jackie Mitchell, a furniture mover who lives several blocks from the suspect's apartment building in Colorado, said he had drinks with Holmes at a bar on Tuesday night, though he showed no sign of distress or violence.

After Holmes approached him, "we just talked about football. He had a backpack and geeky glasses and seemed like a real intelligent guy, and I figured he was one of the college students," Mitchell said.

When Mitchell saw Holmes' photo after the shooting, "the hair stood up on my back," he said. "I know this guy."

Holmes is not talking to police and has asked for a lawyer, according to a law enforcement official briefed on the investigation. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the case. Police found jars of chemicals in Holmes' booby-trapped apartment with wires nearby, the law enforcement official said.

When he surrendered meekly in the movie house parking lot, Holmes told authorities what he'd done at his residence in the Denver suburb of Aurora, the third most populous city in Colorado.

"Our hearts go out to those who were involved in this tragedy and to the families and friends of those involved," Holmes' family said in a statement Friday. "We ask that the media respect our privacy during this difficult time."

San Diego Superior Court spokeswoman Karen Dalton said there were no records found under his name, not even for a traffic ticket. Riverside County prosecutors also have no criminal record for him, said John Hall, a spokesman for the district attorney's office. The only mark on his record in Aurora was a speeding summons from October, Oates said.

On Friday morning, police escorted the suspect's father from the family's San Diego home. The mother stayed inside, receiving visitors who came to offer support.

San Diego police spokeswoman Lt. Andra Brown spoke to reporters in the driveway of the Holmes' home, on behalf of the family.

"As you can understand, the Holmes family is very upset about all of this," she said. "It's a tragic event and it's taken everyone by surprise."

Blood reported from Los Angeles. Associated Press contributors to this report include Elliot Spagat and Julie Watson in San Diego; Eileen Sullivan, Alicia A. Caldwell and Pete Yost in Washington; Tom Hays in New York; Amy Taxin in Orange County, Calif.; Colleen Slevin in Denver; and Eric Carvin and AP researcher Judith Ausuebel in New York.

Copyright © 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
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Just one more tragedy to remind us how lacking society is in understanding their legal rights which have steadily been eroded by Statists and corporatist to the steady decline of our security and freedom.  Every person must know they have the statutory right to defend themselves and their country with reasonable force and to effect legal arrests on offenders and illegal immigrant scum and hand them into custody.  Don't let them erode our right to security and freedom by taking our rights from us - Tongue
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Reply #40 - Jul 22nd, 2012 at 5:29pm
 
Sorry Prevailing, but that is a DEFAULT solution.
Only the Military should have Guns just like the Medics should only have drugs.
You need vermin, rogue animals or want to do some hunting yourself??? It should be through the Military.
If some Gangsta or Psycho has a Gun - then call the Military to shoot em dead as an Act of War.
The Police/Legal/Political System in the USA has too much power and its law shoots itself in the foot.

Stupid! Roll Eyes
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Reply #41 - Jul 22nd, 2012 at 5:40pm
 
It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Jul 22nd, 2012 at 5:29pm:
Sorry Prevailing, but that is a DEFAULT solution.
Only the Military should have Guns just like the Medics should only have drugs.
You need vermin, rogue animals or want to do some hunting yourself??? It should be through the Military.
If some Gangsta or Psycho has a Gun - then call the Military to shoot em dead as an Act of War.
The Police/Legal/Political System in the USA has too much power and its law shoots itself in the foot.

Stupid! Roll Eyes

But that is only your opinion...bad luck for you our law is wiser and says different...idiot! Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #42 - Jul 22nd, 2012 at 5:49pm
 
It's awful but if they want guns then they have to put up with the consequences time after time. Tough titty.
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Reply #43 - Jul 22nd, 2012 at 5:56pm
 
bludger wrote on Jul 22nd, 2012 at 5:49pm:
It's awful but if they want guns then they have to put up with the consequences time after time. Tough titty.

One thing we know is that people promising to give us security by eroding our legal right to defend ourselves and enforce our law are liars and will deliver neither....
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Reply #44 - Jul 22nd, 2012 at 6:00pm
 
http://www.infowars.com/one-moviegoer-with-a-gun-could-have-prevented-70-innocen...

One Moviegoer With a Gun Could Have Prevented 70 Innocent People From Being Shot

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In light of the incident at the Dark Knight premier, it’s worth noting that we as a law abiding society could have prevented the deaths of, at last count, 13 people and the injuries sustained by scores of others.

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Anti-gun fanatics will tell us that outlawing guns is the solution. In fact, before the smoke from the gunfire dissipated this morning special interests and politicians werealready calling for more gun control. Mayor of New York Michael Bloomberg has asked our Presidential candidates to directly address the issue:
No matter where you stand on the Second Amendment, no matter where you stand on guns, we have a right to hear from both of them, concretely, not just in generalities, specifically, what are they going to do about guns?
No doubt Mr. Bloomberg (and his merry band of government nitwits) would be ecstatic if both candidates supported a Constitutional Convention to eliminate the second amendment.
While Messers Obama and Romney will likely treat us to a host of platitudes regarding the issue, the fact of the matter is that prevention of such horrendous crimes falls not in the hands of the government, but of the people.
Take, for example, the recent actions of a Florida man who spotted two armed robbers enter the internet cafe that he was patronizing. He just so happened to be a card carrying member of the personal responsibility club and had his weapon strapped to his belt.
The two robbers burst through the doors of the Palms Internet Cafe in Ocala and ordered everyone to get down as they waved a handgun at dozens of customers.
But they didn’t expect Samuel Williams to pull out his own weapon and fire…
Via The Daily Crux
When these thugs started waving their guns around and ordering people to the floor, Samuel Williams didn’t hesitate. He drew his weapon and opened fire. He may have saved dozens of lives by his actions.
Video courtesy of Sherrie Questioning All:



A witness summarizes how Williams took care of business:
This guy kept poppin’. He didn’t stop. He just kept poppin’… I think he shot both of them.
Seconds counted; the police were minutes away; Mr. Williams, not knowing what the intentions of the armed robbers were, took action.
Lives were saved, the armed robbers were wounded (unfortunately), arrested and subsequently released on bail (because that’s how government “prevents” violent crime).

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