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Reply #30 - Jul 23^rd, 2012 at 4:40pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2012 at 4:14pm:

Verge wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2012 at 11:27am:

Unions are the ones making up the workchoices scare stories, and will do anything to words in the coalitions mouth about the topic

Actually it is Tony Abbott who is making IR related statments which tend to be saying that if elected he intends to very much go in that direction again.

thats your interpretation...

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Reply #32 - Jul 23^rd, 2012 at 4:42pm

FriYAY wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2012 at 12:08pm:

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No way, people should get penalty rates for working overtime and weekends. If they don't want to pay the penalty rates. Then don't expect people to work the weekends. Wink

OK….

But when businesses decide not to open or close down, you won’t go putting up….

“X amount of people lose their jobs….”

…….sob stories will you.

Because if that happens no one will be getting extra work and extra $$.

Um, capitalism won't be disappearing as a concept no matter what you do!

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Reply #33 - Jul 23^rd, 2012 at 4:45pm

Shane B wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2012 at 12:37pm:

John S wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2012 at 12:28pm:

FriYAY wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2012 at 11:41am:

It is a big issue for small business.

Open up and Saturday/Sunday and you have penalty rates, overtime/weekend rates etc.

All need to be paid for from selling products at the same price.

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Should products sold/produced on weekends/nights etc be more expensive?

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Of course you have penalty rates for weekend work, and quite rightly so. Wink

Why? It's not different to working on a Tuesday or Thursday.

Get rid of penalty rates.

Why should someone that has to work weekends or at nights miss out on family time with their kids.

How about we go back to the olden days

Everyone works 9.00 am until 5.00pm Monday to Friday.

Nothing open or no one working after 5.00pm Friday until 9.00 am Monday.

If you're missing on time out with your kids, that's a lifestyle choice. If you don't like it get another job.

Shane B likes to be in control methinks!

Must be a crack smokin' metrosexual liberal voter who really really really really really wants to imitate his moustached real estate selling daddykins!!! Grin

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Reply #34 - Jul 23^rd, 2012 at 5:51pm

have just watched the news where in LEETON they are destroying the orange crop..

WHY because it costs too much to turn it into concentrate here..much easier and cheaper to import orange concentrate..

humm I didnt see Howes there though..just a grower on the verge of cutting down all the trees.

a beautiful crop of oranges.. millions of them

and because we all want a HUGE bite out of this cherry... read orange..we dump them rather than use them..

does anyone bother to go overseas where we buy this concentrate from and find out how it costs them so much less to produce and put onto the shelves in our stores than it is for us to do????

its seems it doesnt matter how far things travel to get into our stores.. they still cost less than we can to produce them... WHY is this SO?

couldnt be wages only surely???.. we know the grower farmer isnt ripping us off...

so whats the answer crook or Mr Howes??????

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Reply #35 - Jul 23^rd, 2012 at 6:02pm

cods wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2012 at 5:51pm:

have just watched the news where in LEETON they are destroying the orange crop..

WHY because it costs too much to turn it into concentrate here..much easier and cheaper to import orange concentrate..

humm I didnt see Howes there though..just a grower on the verge of cutting down all the trees.

a beautiful crop of oranges.. millions of them

and because we all want a HUGE bite out of this cherry... read orange..we dump them rather than use them..

does anyone bother to go overseas where we buy this concentrate from and find out how it costs them so much less to produce and put onto the shelves in our stores than it is for us to do????

its seems it doesnt matter how far things travel to get into our stores.. they still cost less than we can to produce them... WHY is this SO?

couldnt be wages only surely???.. we know the grower farmer isnt ripping us off...

so whats the answer crook or Mr Howes??????

This happens all the time..when its time to bulldoze old unproductive citrus trees and plant new ones they call in the media and pretend they are bulldozing the trees because they cant afford to produce oranges anymore.
In a few months time the block will be full of new orange trees.
The media and the public fall for this little con every time.

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Reply #36 - Jul 23^rd, 2012 at 6:12pm

cods wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2012 at 5:51pm:

have just watched the news where in LEETON they are destroying the orange crop..

WHY because it costs too much to turn it into concentrate here..much easier and cheaper to import orange concentrate..

humm I didnt see Howes there though..just a grower on the verge of cutting down all the trees.

a beautiful crop of oranges.. millions of them

and because we all want a HUGE bite out of this cherry... read orange..we dump them rather than use them..

does anyone bother to go overseas where we buy this concentrate from and find out how it costs them so much less to produce and put onto the shelves in our stores than it is for us to do????

its seems it doesnt matter how far things travel to get into our stores.. they still cost less than we can to produce them... WHY is this SO?

couldnt be wages only surely???.. we know the grower farmer isnt ripping us off...

so whats the answer crook or Mr Howes??????

Won't the bulldozing cost them money? They wouldn't spend the money for no reason. And why would they bulldoze productive trees unless they're going to plant something else? If they were going to do nothing then they'd be better to let the fruit lie where it falls, leave the trees productive and hope the situation improves next year.

In other words, they've probably worked out that they can get more money from some OTHER crop!

The amazing power of logic. Brilliant, innit?

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Mr Abbott Who Is Being Paid Too Much?. Reply #37 - Jul 23^rd, 2012 at 6:18pm Its a con every blockie from all corners of the country uses to get attention. Like I said..the block will be full of young orange trees as soon as spring hits the air. Its living proof that the Aussie media is full of easily led morons.
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Reply #39 - Jul 23^rd, 2012 at 6:41pm

If you apply for a job at a business and you are informed that you may be required to work weekends then the onus is on you to decide if that is something you're willing to do before accepting the job. If you do accept the job, then you have no right or reason to whine. If you take a job that did not previously include weekend work but now does, then you can either work weekends or quit. The choice is yours. No one can force you. Having said that, your comment smacks of stupidity.
Seems fair enough to me, if they told me that when I started the job. However one would assume that they would get the penalty rates for this work. Wink

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Reply #40 - Jul 23^rd, 2012 at 6:43pm

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If you apply for a job at a business and you are informed that you may be required to work weekends then the onus is on you to decide if that is something you're willing to do before accepting the job. If you do accept the job, then you have no right or reason to whine. If you take a job that did not previously include weekend work but now does, then you can either work weekends or quit. The choice is yours. No one can force you. Having said that, your comment smacks of stupidity.
Seems fair enough to me, if they told me that when I started the job. However one would assume that they would get the penalty rates for this work. Wink

Exactly: Shane B isn't very good at crossing his ts and dottign his eyes yet....

....must be a young crack smoker!!

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Reply #42 - Jul 23^rd, 2012 at 6:50pm

If you cant afford to pay your workers a decent wage and offer up 21st century working conditions you shouldnt be in business.
I do wonder why neo con voters think they should protect a few mega rich tax dodgers over the basic human rights of working people.
Does it make them feel like part of the establishment if the behave like lapdogs?

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Reply #43 - Jul 23^rd, 2012 at 6:54pm

adelcrow wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2012 at 6:50pm:

If you cant afford to pay your workers a decent wage and offer up 21st century working conditions you shouldnt be in business.
I do wonder why neo con voters think they should protect a few mega rich tax dodgers over the basic human rights of working people.
Does it make them feel like part of the establishment if the behave like lapdogs?

It makes them feel like Daddy is near!! Wink

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Reply #44 - Jul 23^rd, 2012 at 6:56pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2012 at 6:54pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2012 at 6:50pm:

If you cant afford to pay your workers a decent wage and offer up 21st century working conditions you shouldnt be in business.
I do wonder why neo con voters think they should protect a few mega rich tax dodgers over the basic human rights of working people.
Does it make them feel like part of the establishment if the behave like lapdogs?

It makes them feel like Daddy is near!! Wink

Working people seeking to take basic conditions fought for over a century off other working people..theres a word for them.

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