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Reply #30 - Jul 24^th, 2012 at 8:49pm

... wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 7:29pm:

Gist wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 7:20pm:

... wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 7:06pm:

Go home.

And in response to the thread question, it's becasue the overall immigration issue isn't allowed to be discussed. The "boat people" angle is a sideshow, a mere distraction, to keep peoples immigration related concerns focused on a trivial number of arrivals, rather than the much graver problem of 200,000 people legally arriving every year.

Go home? How? You've got them locked up. Shouldn't you at least feed them and look after basic needs?

No, just sending them home will be fine, thanks.

where? if they have no passport no country will accept them ..... where do you send them? or did you mean home to your place?

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Reply #32 - Jul 24^th, 2012 at 9:24pm

skippy. wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 6:40pm:

My opinion is that the vast majority are not against refugees. Xenophobic pricks are good at revving up the dumb ass racists,as is evident here, but most people I know are smart enough to understand Australia is doing its part,at best, many believe we should be doing OUR FAIR SHARE,which on stats, we are not.

I am not against refugees at all. I am, however, against country-shopping queue jumpers of which more than 21,000 have arrived since Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution.

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Reply #33 - Jul 24^th, 2012 at 9:48pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 9:24pm:

skippy. wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 6:40pm:

My opinion is that the vast majority are not against refugees. Xenophobic pricks are good at revving up the dumb ass racists,as is evident here, but most people I know are smart enough to understand Australia is doing its part,at best, many believe we should be doing OUR FAIR SHARE,which on stats, we are not.

I am not against refugees at all. I am, however, against country-shopping queue jumpers of which more than 21,000 have arrived since Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution.

So only ones who arrive by boat are country shoppers? Are the ones that arrive by plane all bona fide then?

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Reply #34 - Jul 24^th, 2012 at 9:56pm

we hear on this board about all the so called assylum seekers that fly here??

Where do they get housed whilst their claims are assessed, surely they don't just roam around the community?? and how many of them come by plane??

I'd like some figures on that.

Cause I reckon the fly here asylum seeker number would be 9/10ths of bugger all.

Nopw I'll agree we have large numbers of visa over stayers, however these visa over stayers are not entitled to any government support, medicare or public housing, so they effectively cost the government nothing, and 99% of visa over stayers have left the country within 12 months of their visa expiring??

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Why are ppl so against boat ppl?? Reply #35 - Jul 24^th, 2012 at 10:40pm Why are ppl so against boat ppl?? Because they see them as cheats and as people who want to foist themselves on us.
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Reply #36 - Jul 24^th, 2012 at 10:52pm

Gist wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 9:48pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 9:24pm:

skippy. wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 6:40pm:

My opinion is that the vast majority are not against refugees. Xenophobic pricks are good at revving up the dumb ass racists,as is evident here, but most people I know are smart enough to understand Australia is doing its part,at best, many believe we should be doing OUR FAIR SHARE,which on stats, we are not.

I am not against refugees at all. I am, however, against country-shopping queue jumpers of which more than 21,000 have arrived since Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution.

So only ones who arrive by boat are country shoppers? Are the ones that arrive by plane all bona fide then?

Only a very small number of people who are granted visas claim asylum (less than 1%). And the numbers per country - even region - are monitored and risk assessment ratings change every year and visa grants are made more difficult if the risk increases.
This is why the non-name rorters on boats could not get a tourist visa.

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Reply #37 - Jul 24^th, 2012 at 11:00pm

woof woof wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 6:50pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 6:45pm:

woof woof wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 6:36pm:

It would be interesting to get ppls opinions and thoughts on why the vast majority of Australians are so against boat ppl.

Whats your opinion?

The vast majority arent against boat ppl. Just a few loud ppl in this forum.

SOB

Do you get outside much??

1 of the reasons labor is where it is is because of boat ppl.

Could it be that the vast majority of aussies are doing it so tough and they see these ppl rock up get health dental accomodation 3 meals a day phones internet etc whilst our elderly turn off lights cause they can't afford electricity??

Absolutely not. Matty's father gave him two hundred thousand and a house in Dunedin so that Matty can save on the carbon tax. He's doing very well, thank you.

His return will be thunderous.

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Reply #39 - Jul 25^th, 2012 at 8:25am

woof woof wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 9:56pm:

we hear on this board about all the so called assylum seekers that fly here??

Where do they get housed whilst their claims are assessed, surely they don't just roam around the community?? and how many of them come by plane??

I'd like some figures on that.

Cause I reckon the fly here asylum seeker number would be 9/10ths of bugger all.

Nopw I'll agree we have large numbers of visa over stayers, however these visa over stayers are not entitled to any government support, medicare or public housing, so they effectively cost the government nothing, and 99% of visa over stayers have left the country within 12 months of their visa expiring??

Until recently, the vast majority of asylum seekers applying for protection in Australia have arrived originally by air with a valid visa and then applied for asylum at a later date while living in the community.26 Historically, boat arrivals only made up a small proportion of asylum applicants—estimates vary, but it is likely that between 96 and 99 percent of asylum applicants arrived by air.27 More recently the proportions of Irregular Maritime Arrival (IMA) and non‐IMA (that is air arrival) asylum seekers have shifted due to the increase in boat arrivals

and further down the page ...

The reason this ... point is important is that it means that arguably Australia is worrying about the wrong asylum seekers. Whereas the majority of those arriving by boat are refugees, the majority of those arriving by air are not.

http://www.aph.gov.au/binaries/library/pubs/bn/sp/asylumfacts.pdf

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Reply #40 - Jul 25^th, 2012 at 8:39am

I'm against both boat people and the many who come though legal immigration. Not because I'm scared of them, not because i'm racist. But because what this means for the rest of us. Immigration decreases the standard of living for the middle and lower class Australians. While also destroys the beauty of our nation with over population. I just look what its done to my home town for example. For those who don't know I'm from Liverpool in South Western Sydney. Over the last 30 odd years Ive seen my town turn from a quite town on the edge of suburbia where people use to know each other to a concrete jungle over populated where everyone is a stranger. Its become the type of place one has to worry about being shot or stabbed. Food quality has also dropped with higher demands on supply, i could not even buy any fresh whole snapper yesterday. But those who are migrants dont see this because they are not from around here. If they are unhappy with the decline of standards they can always move back to their homeland. but where am i suppose to go if i don't like what immigration is doing. This is my home. I often state immigration is nothing more then white genocide and often one will hear from opposing views its not genocide they just moved elsewhere. But if any of you where to look up what genocide was and methods used to conduct genocide you would find genocide is exactly what is happening.

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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Why are ppl so against boat ppl?? Reply #41 - Jul 25^th, 2012 at 8:54am Yes, BR, I know Liverpool. Lived there for a while in the mid-90s (Lewis Rd). Sad to say, you are right...
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Re: Why are ppl so against boat ppl??
Reply #42 - Jul 25^th, 2012 at 9:18am

Soren wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 10:52pm:

Gist wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 9:48pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 9:24pm:

skippy. wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 6:40pm:

My opinion is that the vast majority are not against refugees. Xenophobic pricks are good at revving up the dumb ass racists,as is evident here, but most people I know are smart enough to understand Australia is doing its part,at best, many believe we should be doing OUR FAIR SHARE,which on stats, we are not.

I am not against refugees at all. I am, however, against country-shopping queue jumpers of which more than 21,000 have arrived since Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution.

So only ones who arrive by boat are country shoppers? Are the ones that arrive by plane all bona fide then?

Only a very small number of people who are granted visas claim asylum (less than 1%). And the numbers per country - even region - are monitored and risk assessment ratings change every year and visa grants are made more difficult if the risk increases.
This is why the non-name rorters on boats could not get a tourist visa.

Simple Soren, don't play with numbers, you know they only confuse you. The "people who are granted visas" includes everyone who comes into this country including all tourists and people entering for business purposes. So what if only 1% of them request asylum? The number arriving by boat and requesting asylum is only 0.1% of the same number.

That's a lot less Soren. Just in case you're confused.

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Reply #43 - Jul 25^th, 2012 at 9:23am

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 8:39am:

I'm against both boat people and the many who come though legal immigration. Not because I'm scared of them, not because i'm racist. But because what this means for the rest of us. Immigration decreases the standard of living for the middle and lower class Australians. While also destroys the beauty of our nation with over population. I just look what its done to my home town for example. For those who don't know I'm from Liverpool in South Western Sydney. Over the last 30 odd years Ive seen my town turn from a quite town on the edge of suburbia where people use to know each other to a concrete jungle over populated where everyone is a stranger. Its become the type of place one has to worry about being shot or stabbed. Food quality has also dropped with higher demands on supply, i could not even buy any fresh whole snapper yesterday. But those who are migrants dont see this because they are not from around here. If they are unhappy with the decline of standards they can always move back to their homeland. but where am i suppose to go if i don't like what immigration is doing. This is my home. I often state immigration is nothing more then white genocide and often one will hear from opposing views its not genocide they just moved elsewhere. But if any of you where to look up what genocide was and methods used to conduct genocide you would find genocide is exactly what is happening.

Wow! There's no food in Liverpool? And you know this because you couldn't buy snapper. Did you try the place in the plaza? What did they say?

You really are an IdIoT.

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Reply #44 - Jul 25^th, 2012 at 10:05am

Karnal wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 11:00pm:

woof woof wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 6:50pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 6:45pm:

woof woof wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 6:36pm:

It would be interesting to get ppls opinions and thoughts on why the vast majority of Australians are so against boat ppl.

Whats your opinion?

The vast majority arent against boat ppl. Just a few loud ppl in this forum.

SOB

Do you get outside much??

1 of the reasons labor is where it is is because of boat ppl.

Could it be that the vast majority of aussies are doing it so tough and they see these ppl rock up get health dental accomodation 3 meals a day phones internet etc whilst our elderly turn off lights cause they can't afford electricity??

Absolutely not. Matty's father gave him two hundred thousand and a house in Dunedin so that Matty can save on the carbon tax. He's doing very well, thank you.

His return will be thunderous.

Does that make Matty an economic refugee?

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