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Processing of so-called "asylum seekers"
Jul 25th, 2012 at 12:25pm
 
I heard a very interesting idea while listening to talkback radio this morning. A gentleman caled in to offer an idea as to how these so-called "asylum seekers" could be processed much more quickly and proficiently. To explain the idea, I'll start at the beginning of the journey for these people...

Lets say, for arguments' sake, that a husband and wife want to leave Pakistan, for instance. So they'll organise their money and passports and make their way via airlines to Indonesia. Once they've landed at an Indonesian airport, they are photographed and their fingerprints obtained and stored in a database once their passport has been checked. These people then proceed to board a people smuggling boat at some stage and while at sea, destroy everything that can be used to identify them. Once they land at Christmas Island (after having been taken there by our Navy or Customs) the very difficult and time-consuming task of positively identifying these people begins. It is very much hit-and miss.

However, if Gillard had some guts, she would ring her Indonesian counterpart and request access to the Indonesian Customs database. Why? It's simple - when these so-called "asylum seekers" are taken to Christmas Island, they could pass through a checkpoint where their photo would be taken and fingerprints would be obtained. Positive identification could be made within moments. This would lead to swift and decisive action on their claim for asylum and virtually eliminate any doubt as to whether such an application should or should not be approved.

Now, there are some problems, such as whether the Indonesians would permit access to the database by our government and the possibility of these people using fake passports, but I doubt very much that the use of fake passports would be very common at all. As far as Indonesian co-operation is concerned, all that is required is a leader with some guts and the use of a carrot and stick approach. If the Indonesians co-operate, we'll provide more humanitarian aid or something like that. That's the carrot. If the Indonesians refuse to co-operate, we'll cut back our aid or something like that. That's the stick.

I think it's a very worthwhile thing to try and one has to wonder why Gillard hasn't done this already. The technology is in place, and such a system could be up and running within a relatively short period of time at little cost to us. In fact, it may even save us money and might also deter people from making the journey as it would be akin to passing through Customs at Sydney airport!
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Reply #1 - Jul 25th, 2012 at 12:51pm
 
Losing too much face in the other threads so you had to start yet another one?

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Reply #2 - Jul 25th, 2012 at 1:19pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 12:25pm:
I heard a very interesting idea while listening to talkback radio this morning...


You mark yourself as among the braindead in the first sentence. No need to read the rest...
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Reply #3 - Jul 25th, 2012 at 2:01pm
 
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The answer to our "processing" needs.

Useless organic material goes in, useful pet meat comes out.
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Reply #4 - Jul 25th, 2012 at 2:08pm
 
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these people would then self mutilate ie destroy their finger prints

the lefties would be up in arms to say that Australians are encouraging illegals to self-mutilate

it's the same argument they use for turning back the boats.

facts are - these people have paid $10K for the privilege to board a boat. they will do just about anything to contravene our laws

the whole idea is to make them hesitate in handing over the $10K

Howard got the policy correct

Rudd and Gillard got it wrong so people died!!
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Reply #5 - Jul 25th, 2012 at 6:46pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 2:08pm:
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these people would then self mutilate ie destroy their finger prints

the lefties would be up in arms to say that Australians are encouraging illegals to self-mutilate

it's the same argument they use for turning back the boats.

facts are - these people have paid $10K for the privilege to board a boat. they will do just about anything to contravene our laws

the whole idea is to make them hesitate in handing over the $10K

Howard got the policy correct

Rudd and Gillard got it wrong so people died!!


Yep, and comments from one-track-mind morons like Gist show clearly the mentality of Leftards - they don't want to solve this mess that Labor themselves created. They're only interested in blaming others and trying to score cheap political points. Well, they can do that for as long as it takes for the next election to be held and then they'll be unemployed and will have to watch the Coalition fix their mess, as is usually the case when a Coalition government replaces a useless, disfunctional and incompetent Labor government.
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Reply #6 - Jul 25th, 2012 at 7:01pm
 
I've travelled a bit, although I've never travelled to Indonesia .... do they even take fingerprints? I've never had anybody take my finger prints although I have heard the US does it ..... or does your 'solution' fall apart at the very beginning?
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Reply #7 - Jul 25th, 2012 at 7:05pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 2:08pm:
AP

these people would then self mutilate ie destroy their finger prints

the lefties would be up in arms to say that Australians are encouraging illegals to self-mutilate

it's the same argument they use for turning back the boats.

facts are - these people have paid $10K for the privilege to board a boat. they will do just about anything to contravene our laws

the whole idea is to make them hesitate in handing over the $10K

Howard got the policy correct

Rudd and Gillard got it wrong so people died!!


It's a myth that people smugglers only take money from boat people ... they also take money from asylum seekers coming by air ..in exchange for fake passports and fake visa's .... once they land at the airport they ask for asylum and they can't be extradited for possession of false passports .... people smugglers make more money from boats people so they prefer it ...but they don't just deal with boat people .. you won't stop people smugglers even if you stop the boats
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Reply #8 - Jul 25th, 2012 at 7:50pm
 
Processing?
The Dept of Immigration takes them at their word which is why the majority throw away their papers and passports.
What processing?
If the government was serious, they would not grant resettlement outcomes to these country shoppers.
Take the magnet away, and watch the issue disappear overnight.
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Reply #9 - Jul 25th, 2012 at 8:18pm
 
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 7:50pm:
Processing?
The Dept of Immigration takes them at their word which is why the majority throw away their papers and passports.
What processing?
If the government was serious, they would not grant resettlement outcomes to these country shoppers.
Take the magnet away, and watch the issue disappear overnight.


of course they get processed you fool ... another thread where you just make up the facts to suit yourself ... they do not get out of detetion until their identity has been confirmed ..... they throw their passports for a vcariety of reasons, the two most popular being that you can't send them back if they don't have a passport .. and two, the smugglers lie to them and tell them Australia will send them back if they have a passport
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Reply #10 - Jul 25th, 2012 at 8:57pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 8:18pm:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 7:50pm:
Processing?
The Dept of Immigration takes them at their word which is why the majority throw away their papers and passports.
What processing?
If the government was serious, they would not grant resettlement outcomes to these country shoppers.
Take the magnet away, and watch the issue disappear overnight.


of course they get processed you fool ... another thread where you just make up the facts to suit yourself ... they do not get out of detetion until their identity has been confirmed ..... they throw their passports for a vcariety of reasons, the two most popular being that you can't send them back if they don't have a passport .. and two, the smugglers lie to them and tell them Australia will send them back if they have a passport


...not to mention that some countries they wouldn't get a passport in the first place or applying for one would be asking for the very trouble they are trying to escape. Lets see you pose as a Tamil in Sri Lanka and apply to the Sri Lankan government for a passport. See how far you get.

Honestly, chook, you can do better than that.
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Reply #11 - Jul 25th, 2012 at 9:46pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 7:01pm:
I've travelled a bit, although I've never travelled to Indonesia .... do they even take fingerprints? I've never had anybody take my finger prints although I have heard the US does it ..... or does your 'solution' fall apart at the very beginning?


A woman called in after the guy who had this idea and said she was photographed and fingerprinted when she arrived in Indonesia. I and everyone who arrived by air was photographed and fingerprinted when I went through Customs in LAX - in 2007!
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Reply #12 - Jul 25th, 2012 at 9:49pm
 
Obviously the Leftards don't have any ideas of their own to solve this mess that they and so will just pick on and talk down good ideas in a woeful display of infantile petulance.
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Reply #13 - Jul 25th, 2012 at 10:50pm
 
The old open borders free trade parties are frightened of change and reform - they will not stop the boats and turn the illegal immigrants around - only the Rise Up australia Party will defend the Australian people and deport the aliens... Smiley Smiley
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Reply #14 - Jul 25th, 2012 at 10:50pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 7:05pm:
It's a myth that people smugglers only take money from boat people ... they also take money from asylum seekers coming by air ..in exchange for fake passports and fake visa's .... once they land at the airport they ask for asylum and they can't be extradited for possession of false passports .... people smugglers make more money from boats people so they prefer it ...but they don't just deal with boat people .. you won't stop people smugglers even if you stop the boats



And what happens when these fake passports and VISAs are discovered at Australian airports?

they are turned around
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