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Larger States Want A Bigger GST Slice.
Jul 26th, 2012 at 6:03am
 
Larger states want bigger GST slice

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    July 26, 2012


PREMIERS of rich and poor states have clashed sharply at the Council of Australian Governments meeting, as the bigger states flagged a co-ordinated campaign to slash the $4.25 billion a year subsidy taken from them for the smaller states and territories.

Northern Territory Chief Minister Paul Henderson accused Western Australian Premier Colin Barnett of ''an unprincipled attack on the smaller states'' by proposing that 60 per cent of future GST money be allocated on a per capita basis.    Huh

GST revenue is collected by the Commonwealth on behalf of the states, but allocated entirely on a needs basis, as assessed by the Commonwealth Grants Commission. Those assessments differ so much that this year the Northern Territory will receive almost as much GST money as WA, which has 10 times more people.

The premiers of the four donor states - WA, Victoria, New South Wales and Queensland - met to consider a common position to demand that only part of the GST be allocated on a needs basis, and part as per capita entitlements.
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Mr Barnett's plan for a 40/60 split, if implemented this year, would save WA $1.4 billion, Victoria almost $600 million, NSW $450 million and Queensland $86 million. But it would be a zero-sum game, with the small states losing just as much. The Northern Territory would lose $1.4 billion, close to a third of its revenue. South Australia would lose $637.5 million, Tasmania $400 million and the Australian Capital Territory $90 million.

Mr Barnett said the four largest states are close to a common position, advocating that most of the GST poll be allocated on a per capita basis, and the rest according to needs.

''The system is broken,'' he said. ''It isn't serving the Australian economy well, and tinkering with it will not solve the problem.''    Huh

But Mr Henderson and South Australian Premier Jay Weatherill hit back. Mr Henderson called the proposal ''an unprincipled grab for cash [that] goes against all the fundamentals that this Commonwealth is meant to be about''.

Mr Weatherill said such a shift in funding would have ''dramatic effects on the smaller states'' and break the principle that ''where ever you are based … as a citizen, you receive the same level of services''.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard sided with her Labor colleagues. ''We do have an expectation about what it means to be an Australian citizen,'' she said. Australians would not agree if ''impoverished places were not getting assistance because [their] part of the nation didn't have revenue-raising capacity''.    Wink

Her government has set up an inquiry into the GST distribution, expected to submit its final report by September.    Smiley


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Reply #1 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 7:45am
 
The States that have the most money and the ability to raise more revenue want more of the pie while the poorer States are starving of funds.....It is not surprising the States run by Coalition Governments overlook the need and pander to greed!!!

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Reply #2 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 7:48am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 7:45am:
The States that have the most money and the ability to raise more revenue want more of the pie while the poorer States are starving of funds.....It is not surprising the States run by Coalition Governments overlook the need and pander to greed!!!

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The states that generate the most in GST should receive a larger slice of the pie. It's only fair, otherwise those states are effectively subsidising the others.
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Reply #3 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 7:52am
 
Weatherill 'bitching' about GST: Barnett

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    July 25, 2012

 

West Australian Premier Colin Barnett has dismissed his South Australian counterpart's criticism of the mining state's push for GST reform as "bitching".    Huh

South Australian Premier Jay Weatherill on Wednesday described WA's bid to have the bulk of GST revenue distributed on a per capita basis as "deeply selfish", saying it did not want to share the benefits of the mining boom.    Angry

"Western Australia has a very short memory. It was only a few short years ago that they stopped being a receiver of money and are now a net contributor back to the rest of the nation," Mr Weatherill told reporters in Canberra.

"Not only is it deeply selfish, it's completely contrary to principle, it's contrary to the way in which this nation was formed."    Sad


Mr Barnett said he was disappointed by Mr Weatherill's comments.

"That has been the problem of commonwealth-state relations, one state sort of bitching about the other state," the Liberal leader told ABC Radio.

"That's not the way forward in a modern federation.

"It's about time we raised this level of debate rather than one state grizzling about another or grizzling to the Commonwealth."

Mr Barnett conceded WA had been financially propped up by the other states for decades before the boom "but you never have the degree of differences between states that you've got now".    Sad

"And Western Australia has more than repaid anything it received in the past."

He wants a 75 per cent floor on GST distributions and was pushing his case at a Council of Australian Governments meeting in Canberra on Wednesday.

WA received 72 cents in the dollar in 2011/12, will get 55 cents for each dollar this financial year and is expected to get even less in coming years.

Mr Barnett said Victoria, NSW and Queensland were "pretty close" to broadly agreeing with WA in calling for the majority of GST funds to be distributed according to a state or territory's population.

"That's what I hope can be achieved out of these two days," he said.

"And I think if the big four states agree, then that's a powerful argument for going that way because those states represent 90 per cent of the Australian economy and 90 per cent of Australia's population."

Any change would be phased in slowly over a period of time so no state or territory was disadvantaged during the transition, he said.

"Obviously Northern Territory, South Australia, Tasmania would be looked after."    Huh

WA Opposition Leader Mark McGowan suggested a higher floor of 80 cents in the dollar.

Mr McGowan called for bipartisanship on the issue, but also pitched to electors that they would get a better GST deal if they elected a Labor government in state elections in March.

"A simple, certain, bipartisan approach is what's required ... that's the most reasonable way forward," he told reporters in Perth.

Mr Barnett was part of the Richard Court-led state government in 1999 when it signed the original GST deal with the Commonwealth, he said.

"There was no floor put in, so our rate could go down to zero," Mr McGowan said.

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South Australian Premier Jay Weatherill on Wednesday described WA's bid to have the bulk of GST revenue distributed on a per capita basis as "deeply selfish", saying it did not want to share the benefits of the mining boom.   I thought the minerals in the ground belonged to all Australians.    Sad
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Reply #5 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 8:00am
 
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South Australian Premier Jay Weatherill on Wednesday described WA's bid to have the bulk of GST revenue distributed on a per capita basis as "deeply selfish", saying it did not want to share the benefits of the mining boom.   I thought the minerals in the ground belonged to all Australians.    Sad

I think it should be a mixture of per capita and sq klm of the state, with a complexity factor of urbanised/industrialised sq klm compared to bare unproductive sq klm.
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Reply #6 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 8:02am
 
I think per capita is pushing the envelope..the idea behind GST is it sustains us ALL..as we are the bloody mugs paying it..

on top of paying every other kind of TAX they can dream up for us..

even Levies.

and what good does it do us.. we are in debt up to our eyeballs..

doesnt matter what they get they still cant manage it..

its a disaster nothing in this country works.. simple as that..we have got to be on a par with Greece when it comes to lousy management..

I think it time they talk to the likes of Gina.

.worlds richest woman how does she do it????


the Feds are in debt and every State is in debt...

and guess who has the honor of paying it back.. we already know Qld is paying $5billion per annum in interest... what the heck are the rest paying.. and it comes out of our pockets.
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Reply #7 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 8:03am
 
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South Australian Premier Jay Weatherill on Wednesday described WA's bid to have the bulk of GST revenue distributed on a per capita basis as "deeply selfish", saying it did not want to share the benefits of the mining boom.   I thought the minerals in the ground belonged to all Australians.    Sad



They don't and they never have.

The minerals in the ground belong to the people of the state that owns them.


Maybe the basket case states (labor) should attempt to look after themselves rather demand more and more handouts for the 'working' states.

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Reply #8 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 8:10am
 
The minerals in the ground belong to the people of the state that owns them.    I somehow don't think that the federal government, quite sees it that way.    Wink
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Reply #9 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 8:16am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 8:03am:
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South Australian Premier Jay Weatherill on Wednesday described WA's bid to have the bulk of GST revenue distributed on a per capita basis as "deeply selfish", saying it did not want to share the benefits of the mining boom.   I thought the minerals in the ground belonged to all Australians.    Sad



They don't and they never have.

The minerals in the ground belong to the people of the state that owns them.


Maybe the basket case states (labor) should attempt to look after themselves rather demand more and more handouts for the 'working' states.





I dont agree.. they belong to us all..otherwise we will have a country of poor on one side wealthy on the other...

dont agree at all.

its by chance where these wonders from the earth are..and each one will either run out or go past its use by date aka coal..

then what the rich will suddenly be poor..come on!!!
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Reply #10 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 8:17am
 
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The minerals in the ground belong to the people of the state that owns them.    I somehow don't think that the federal government, quite sees it that way.    Wink




neither do I what about you?
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Reply #11 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 8:17am
 
cods wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 8:16am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 8:03am:
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South Australian Premier Jay Weatherill on Wednesday described WA's bid to have the bulk of GST revenue distributed on a per capita basis as "deeply selfish", saying it did not want to share the benefits of the mining boom.   I thought the minerals in the ground belonged to all Australians.    Sad



They don't and they never have.

The minerals in the ground belong to the people of the state that owns them.


Maybe the basket case states (labor) should attempt to look after themselves rather demand more and more handouts for the 'working' states.





I dont agree.. they belong to us all..otherwise we will have a country of poor on one side wealthy on the other...

dont agree at all.

its by chance where these wonders from the earth are..and each one will either run out or go past its use by date aka coal..

then what the rich will suddenly be poor..come on!!!



Whether you agree or not is irrelevant, it's the law.

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Reply #12 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 8:19am
 
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The minerals in the ground belong to the people of the state that owns them.    I somehow don't think that the federal government, quite sees it that way.    Wink



yeah, as of today the states still own their minerals, so the federal government can't be too sure about themselves owning our minerals.

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Reply #13 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 8:19am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 8:03am:
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South Australian Premier Jay Weatherill on Wednesday described WA's bid to have the bulk of GST revenue distributed on a per capita basis as "deeply selfish", saying it did not want to share the benefits of the mining boom.   I thought the minerals in the ground belonged to all Australians.    Sad



They don't and they never have.

The minerals in the ground belong to the people of the state that owns them.


Maybe the basket case states (labor) should attempt to look after themselves rather demand more and more handouts for the 'working' states.



Then when the mining boom is over and WA is once again reliant on the rest of Australia for support the other States will just have to accept it.....WA can raise its revenue (and has by putting a higher price on iron ore fines) and also reaps the benefits of much higher royalties due to the boom.....WA is rolling in cash and Barnett wants more to pork barrel and buy votes at the expense of the rest of Australia.....Mr Barnett is a typical greedy Conservative who sees only their own need to retain power over the needs of the majority!!!

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Reply #14 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 8:28am
 
neither do I what about you?
I think that all Australians should benefit from the mining boom.  So if your asking me if I support the mining tax.  Yes I do.   Wink
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