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Carbon tax is hurting small auto repairers
Jul 26^th, 2012 at 10:45am

A 200 per cent increase to the price of an air-conditioning refrigerant since the introduction of the Labor Party’s Carbon Tax has shocked Western Australian company WA Auto Electrics Pty Ltd.

Senator Alan Eggleston said he was contacted by one of the company’s directors about this gross example of how the Carbon Tax is harming Australian businesses.

The increase to the R134A Plus 12kg cylinder refrigerant price – a product used in every air-conditioner, refrigerator and car throughout Australia – from $310 last month to $930 this month, will impact households across the country along with our major industries.

“Mr Whiteley will have no choice but to pass this increase onto his customers in what is set to become a toxic cycle,” Senator Eggleston said.

“For Julia Gillard to claim that only the nation’s biggest polluters would be affected by the tax shows how ill-informed the Prime Minister really is.

“Just this one product increase will have a domino effect on other industries including mining and manufacturing which require large amounts of the refrigerant for daily operations.”

WA Auto Electrics director Richard Whiteley said after much investigation and discussion he found that the increase was due to a ‘Carbon Tax levy’ of $40/kg plus fees imposed on the wholesale supplier.

“This increase is actually more expensive than my previous purchase price of $25.83/kg,” Mr Whiteley said.

http://www.senatoralaneggleston.com/Newsroom/News/tabid/94/articleType/ArticleVi...

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Shane B Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1473 Canberra Gender:	Re: Carbon tax is hurting small auto repairers Reply #1 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 10:53am http://www.environment.gov.au/cleanenergyfuture/carbon-price/publications/pubs/f...
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Reply #2 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 10:56am

A company imports one tonne of HFC-134a into Australia. The total equivalent carbon price payable would be $29,900. This is how you get that number:

• 1 (tonne of HFC-134a) x 1,300 (global warming potential of HFC-134a) = 1,300 x $23 (applicable carbon price) = $29,900

The cost recovery levy payable would be $165, calculated as follows:

• 1 (tonne of HFC-134a) x $165 (prescribed levy rate) = $165

The total amount payable would be $30,065, calculated by adding the equivalent carbon price and the cost recovery levy.

• $29,900 (equivalent carbon price) + $165 (cost recovery levy) = $30,065

Gee that is a lot of money, isn't it??? And to think just 3 or so weeks ago it was $0.

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Reply #3 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 11:03am

Shane B wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 10:56am:

A company imports one tonne of HFC-134a into Australia. The total equivalent carbon price payable would be $29,900. This is how you get that number:

• 1 (tonne of HFC-134a) x 1,300 (global warming potential of HFC-134a) = 1,300 x $23 (applicable carbon price) = $29,900

The cost recovery levy payable would be $165, calculated as follows:

• 1 (tonne of HFC-134a) x $165 (prescribed levy rate) = $165

The total amount payable would be $30,065, calculated by adding the equivalent carbon price and the cost recovery levy.

• $29,900 (equivalent carbon price) + $165 (cost recovery levy) = $30,065

Gee that is a lot of money, isn't it??? And to think just 3 or so weeks ago it was $0.

The local mechanic used to be able to pour waste oil & chemicals straight into the gutter a few years ago.
Should we go back to that?

And as when the refrigerant gas outcry 1st started, they can opt for cheaper environmentally responsible alternatives.

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lisa.greek Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1595 Cairns QLD	Re: Carbon tax is hurting small auto repairers Reply #4 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 11:14am Careful Shane - this one may come back to bite. : [urlhttp://finance.ninemsn.com.au/newsbusiness/aap/8505585/firm-misled-on-carbon-tax-price-rise-accc][/url] This could be yet another Liberal own goal
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Reply #5 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 1:19pm

lisa.greek wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 11:14am:

Careful Shane - this one may come back to bite. :

[urlhttp://finance.ninemsn.com.au/newsbusiness/aap/8505585/firm-misled-on-carbon-tax-price-rise-accc][/url]

This could be yet another Liberal own goal

It will be interesting to see how this issue of more expensive refrigerants pans out. I know it was something that wasn't incorporated into the Treasury modelling, or anybody else's models (i.e. KPMG Econtech e.t.c.).

It might end up being nine tenths of bugger all once it washes through.

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Carbon tax is hurting small auto repairers Reply #6 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 4:13pm Shane has nada: he purports to believe in free-markets when everybody knows not even John Howard would be caught up in such lunacy!! Hey SHANE, bring it on limpo!!
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Carbon tax is hurting small auto repairers Reply #7 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 4:15pm Go Joe Hockey and his wealthfare admission............ Yes, he now has a clear conscience, lol!! Cum get sum crack smokers !!
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Reply #8 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 4:24pm

Shane B wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 10:45am:

A 200 per cent increase to the price of an air-conditioning refrigerant since the introduction of the Labor Party’s Carbon Tax has shocked Western Australian company WA Auto Electrics Pty Ltd.

Senator Alan Eggleston said he was contacted by one of the company’s directors about this gross example of how the Carbon Tax is harming Australian businesses.

The increase to the R134A Plus 12kg cylinder refrigerant price – a product used in every air-conditioner, refrigerator and car throughout Australia – from $310 last month to $930 this month, will impact households across the country along with our major industries.

“Mr Whiteley will have no choice but to pass this increase onto his customers in what is set to become a toxic cycle,” Senator Eggleston said.

“For Julia Gillard to claim that only the nation’s biggest polluters would be affected by the tax shows how ill-informed the Prime Minister really is.

“Just this one product increase will have a domino effect on other industries including mining and manufacturing which require large amounts of the refrigerant for daily operations.”

WA Auto Electrics director Richard Whiteley said after much investigation and discussion he found that the increase was due to a ‘Carbon Tax levy’ of $40/kg plus fees imposed on the wholesale supplier.

“This increase is actually more expensive than my previous purchase price of $25.83/kg,” Mr Whiteley said.

http://www.senatoralaneggleston.com/Newsroom/News/tabid/94/articleType/ArticleVi...

Another dickhead said that it is a carbon dioxide tax

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 6:49am:

It's not a carbon tax. It's a carbon DIOXIDE tax.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1343215735

So how much carbon dioxide is there in air-conditioning refrigerant gas or are you being a dickhead as well

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Carbon tax is hurting small auto repairers Reply #10 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 5:05pm lisa.greek wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 11:14am: Careful Shane - this one may come back to bite. : [urlhttp://finance.ninemsn.com.au/newsbusiness/aap/8505585/firm-misled-on-carbon-tax-price-rise-accc][/url] This could be yet another Liberal own goal Refrigerantgate
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Reply #11 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:45pm

John S wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 4:24pm:

Shane B wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 10:45am:

A 200 per cent increase to the price of an air-conditioning refrigerant since the introduction of the Labor Party’s Carbon Tax has shocked Western Australian company WA Auto Electrics Pty Ltd.

Senator Alan Eggleston said he was contacted by one of the company’s directors about this gross example of how the Carbon Tax is harming Australian businesses.

The increase to the R134A Plus 12kg cylinder refrigerant price – a product used in every air-conditioner, refrigerator and car throughout Australia – from $310 last month to $930 this month, will impact households across the country along with our major industries.

“Mr Whiteley will have no choice but to pass this increase onto his customers in what is set to become a toxic cycle,” Senator Eggleston said.

“For Julia Gillard to claim that only the nation’s biggest polluters would be affected by the tax shows how ill-informed the Prime Minister really is.

“Just this one product increase will have a domino effect on other industries including mining and manufacturing which require large amounts of the refrigerant for daily operations.”

WA Auto Electrics director Richard Whiteley said after much investigation and discussion he found that the increase was due to a ‘Carbon Tax levy’ of $40/kg plus fees imposed on the wholesale supplier.

“This increase is actually more expensive than my previous purchase price of $25.83/kg,” Mr Whiteley said.

http://www.senatoralaneggleston.com/Newsroom/News/tabid/94/articleType/ArticleVi...

Another dickhead said that it is a carbon dioxide tax

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 6:49am:

It's not a carbon tax. It's a carbon DIOXIDE tax.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1343215735

So how much carbon dioxide is there in air-conditioning refrigerant gas or are you being a dickhead as well

You can't tax carbon. What Gillard is taxing is carbon dioxide emissions. Is that too simple even for a numbnut like yourself to understand?

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Re: Carbon tax is hurting small auto repairers
Reply #13 - Jul 27^th, 2012 at 10:35am

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“Mr Whiteley will have no choice but to pass this increase onto his customers in what is set to become a toxic cycle,” Senator Eggleston said.

“For Julia Gillard to claim that only the nation’s biggest polluters would be affected by the tax shows how ill-informed the Prime Minister really is.

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 1:12am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 10:25pm:

So if a businesses electricity bill increased by $2,000 and that price rise is attributed to the carbon tax (lets not forget that the carbon tax component will be clearly noted in our bills), you Leftards are saying that the business cannot increase prices to pay for the increased power bill?

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 5:40pm:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jul 13^th, 2012 at 9:28am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2012 at 9:23am:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jul 13^th, 2012 at 9:21am:

Australian Business need answers like 13 days ago.
Answer please.. Anyone?

really? why? where on the balance sheet does carbon tax actually sit?

this is what i'm asking, does the carbon tax go before or after the GST on the invoice. Its effects the total on the invoice, invoice layouts need to be correct. if its done wrong a business could be up for millions in fines.

As your question falls into the "are you still beating up your wife" category - it's not a case of YES or NO to the question

DESPITE the ( ... deliberately spread ?) misconception, the cost of emission permits is ONLY paid by the BIGGEST polluters in the country

( ... think of the expense to them as a FINE)

This added expense may be passed down FULL, in PART, or absorbed - all depending on market competitiveness

It is NOT a "tax" collected at the retail level

You will NEVER see an invoice for ANY consumable that reads ...

Quote:
Goods                                  $100.00
Carbon tax 2.5%                   $2.50
Sub-total                            $102.50
GST 10%                               $10.25

Total                                  $112.75

Picture THIS ...

Your gymnasium's shire council has just added a graffiti removal surcharge to council rates
Your gym decides to recoup this new expense with a small increase in membership fees

Do you REALLY think you will be charged the membership fee, plus graffiti removal, plus GST ?

Any businessperson, accountant or tax agent is ALREADY well aware of arrangements

A PERFECT example of how carbon permit pricing is SUPPOSED to work

It will force the industry ( ... and consumer) on to a CLEANER alternative - and act as an incentive to investment in cleaner technology - eventually making the dirty product obsolete

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Re: Carbon tax is hurting small auto repairers
Reply #14 - Jul 27^th, 2012 at 10:43am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 27^th, 2012 at 10:35am:

Quote:

“Mr Whiteley will have no choice but to pass this increase onto his customers in what is set to become a toxic cycle,” Senator Eggleston said.

“For Julia Gillard to claim that only the nation’s biggest polluters would be affected by the tax shows how ill-informed the Prime Minister really is.

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 1:12am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 10:25pm:

So if a businesses electricity bill increased by $2,000 and that price rise is attributed to the carbon tax (lets not forget that the carbon tax component will be clearly noted in our bills), you Leftards are saying that the business cannot increase prices to pay for the increased power bill?

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 5:40pm:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jul 13^th, 2012 at 9:28am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2012 at 9:23am:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jul 13^th, 2012 at 9:21am:

Australian Business need answers like 13 days ago.
Answer please.. Anyone?

really? why? where on the balance sheet does carbon tax actually sit?

this is what i'm asking, does the carbon tax go before or after the GST on the invoice. Its effects the total on the invoice, invoice layouts need to be correct. if its done wrong a business could be up for millions in fines.

As your question falls into the "are you still beating up your wife" category - it's not a case of YES or NO to the question

DESPITE the ( ... deliberately spread ?) misconception, the cost of emission permits is ONLY paid by the BIGGEST polluters in the country

( ... think of the expense to them as a FINE)

This added expense may be passed down FULL, in PART, or absorbed - all depending on market competitiveness

It is NOT a "tax" collected at the retail level

You will NEVER see an invoice for ANY consumable that reads ...

Quote:
Goods                                  $100.00
Carbon tax 2.5%                   $2.50
Sub-total                            $102.50
GST 10%                               $10.25

Total                                  $112.75

Picture THIS ...

Your gymnasium's shire council has just added a graffiti removal surcharge to council rates
Your gym decides to recoup this new expense with a small increase in membership fees

Do you REALLY think you will be charged the membership fee, plus graffiti removal, plus GST ?

Any businessperson, accountant or tax agent is ALREADY well aware of arrangements

A PERFECT example of how carbon permit pricing is SUPPOSED to work

It will force the industry ( ... and consumer) on to a CLEANER alternative - and act as an incentive to investment in cleaner technology - eventually making the dirty product obsolete

But why are we giving billions of dollars to faceless unelected men overseas and subsidizing China, India & African jobs at the expense of our own.. with an ETS you have not explained how that legally can happen...You haven't explained how this will slow wasteful consumption nor make our over all impact on the Earth more sustainable...just more expensive...

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