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Re: Conservative state govts say stuff the disabled
Reply #15 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:29pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:19pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:15pm:

Besides all that, Gillard has shown that her government is simply incapable of administering scheme's such as this involving large amounts of money. Look at what happened with pink batts, schools BER and so on. Can anyone blame some state governments for being hesitant to hand over money to a government that has a horrendous track record at running such programs?

did something happen? those things you listed were a success ... they did what they set out to do ....

If the objective of the pink batts scheme was for every unqualified Tom, Dick and Harry to install pinkkbatts in houses and burn down hundreds of them as well s kill some young installers, then the objective was met. If the objective of the schools BER scheme was to allow companies to do jobs for ridiculously inflated prices that did not give schools the buildings they wanted (one school canteen built had so many mistakes they couldn't get a fridge in) then the objective was met. Those two programs were unmitigated disasters.

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Reply #16 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:31pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:19pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:15pm:

Besides all that, Gillard has shown that her government is simply incapable of administering scheme's such as this involving large amounts of money. Look at what happened with pink batts, schools BER and so on. Can anyone blame some state governments for being hesitant to hand over money to a government that has a horrendous track record at running such programs?

did something happen? those things you listed were a success ... they did what they set out to do ....

If the objective of the pink batts scheme was for every unqualified Tom, Dick and Harry to install pinkkbatts in houses and burn down hundreds of them as well s kill some young installers, then the objective was met. If the objective of the schools BER scheme was to allow companies to do jobs for ridiculously inflated prices that did not give schools the buildings they wanted (one school canteen built had so many mistakes they couldn't get a fridge in) then the objective was met. Those two programs were unmitigated disasters.

since when is the federal govt. responsible for issueing trade licenses?????? I have several, in 2 states, and never once has the federal govt. had anything to do with my license requirements .

What happened is what you can expect to happen on worksites without union representation ..... health and safety go out the window.

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Re: Conservative state govts say stuff the disabled
Reply #17 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:34pm

lisa.greek wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:26pm:

FriYAY wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:08pm:

the libs don't care about the disabled .... 12 years of neglect by Howard has proven it .... anything they can do to interfere with any of Gillards policies they will try ..... funny how all the lib. states said no ...you'd think with the mining boom that now is when they can do it ....

Blaaaaaaaaaaaaa blaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

You wankers have had the check book since Rudd.

true - why should labor pay for poor quality lib sperm. you guys go your own way

You should have just left it at ....true.... because it is.

Howard didn't do it

Rudd didn't do it

Gillard's set her self up for another fail. There is already so much shite stuck to her and plenty of this will stick as well.

By bugger the ALP are dumb as dog crap.i

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Re: Conservative state govts say stuff the disabled
Reply #18 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:35pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:31pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:19pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:15pm:

Besides all that, Gillard has shown that her government is simply incapable of administering scheme's such as this involving large amounts of money. Look at what happened with pink batts, schools BER and so on. Can anyone blame some state governments for being hesitant to hand over money to a government that has a horrendous track record at running such programs?

did something happen? those things you listed were a success ... they did what they set out to do ....

If the objective of the pink batts scheme was for every unqualified Tom, Dick and Harry to install pinkkbatts in houses and burn down hundreds of them as well s kill some young installers, then the objective was met. If the objective of the schools BER scheme was to allow companies to do jobs for ridiculously inflated prices that did not give schools the buildings they wanted (one school canteen built had so many mistakes they couldn't get a fridge in) then the objective was met. Those two programs were unmitigated disasters.

since when is the federal govt. responsible for issueing trade licenses?????? I have several, in 2 states, and never once has the federal govt. had anything to do with my license requirements .

What happened is what you can expect to happen on worksites without union representation ..... health and safety go out the window.

This was a federal scheme. They administered it and set the requirements. For pink batts, all that was required was a short course at first until they had a few deaths on their hands. Your memory is very flaky!

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Re: Conservative state govts say stuff the disabled
Reply #19 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:41pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:27pm:

FriYAY wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:08pm:

the libs don't care about the disabled .... 12 years of neglect by Howard has proven it .... anything they can do to interfere with any of Gillards policies they will try ..... funny how all the lib. states said no ...you'd think with the mining boom that now is when they can do it ....

Blaaaaaaaaaaaaa blaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

You wankers have had the check book since Rudd.

yes, and if you'll notice labor has been going through one issue at a time. .. coming up with a policy and then getting it through. ... in a minority govt that actually takes a lot of work and time .... but they got there ... 5 yrs ... that's more than Howard ever did ...in 12 yrs did he ever address the issues regarding the disabled? and he was rushing his policies through before he could finish writing them when it suited him ....

And now you are going to bugger the whole thing up over a pissy state contribution of a few million.

Just dam do it if it is so important, make the state leaders look like the arseholes.

Oh and by the way Rudd had a majority, he turned it into a minority because the ALP are dumb.

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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25983 Gender:	Re: Conservative state govts say stuff the disabled Reply #20 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:52pm Gillard set a 5pm deadline today for an agreement. Why? The scheme doesn't start until next July! Stop playing politics with disabled people, Juliar!!!
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Reply #21 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 8:04pm

Shane B wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 6:40pm:

$1 billion, plus what the states have to kick in, for a trial that only provides up to 20,000 places. That doesn't sound like very good value for money.

Of that 1 billion only 35 cents in the dollar is to go to the disabled the other 65 cents is all admin. I would think that this would be cause for the States to pause rather than shovel money into such a poor value for money scheme that seems more about creating more public service edifices.

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Reply #22 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 8:05pm

tonegunman1 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 8:04pm:

Shane B wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 6:40pm:

$1 billion, plus what the states have to kick in, for a trial that only provides up to 20,000 places. That doesn't sound like very good value for money.

Of that 1 billion only 35 cents in the dollar is to go to the disabled the other 65 cents is all admin. I would think that this would be cause for the States to pause rather than shovel money into such a poor value for money scheme that seems more about creating more public service edifices.

Exactly. Labor has a pathetic track record at administration and use of taxpayer funds.

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Dnarever Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 58671 Here Gender:	Re: Conservative state govts say stuff the disabled Reply #23 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 8:12pm Conservative state govts say stuff the disabled Why is this a story - it's been the Liberal position since 1944.
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Re: Conservative state govts say stuff the disabled
Reply #24 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 8:48pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:31pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:19pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:15pm:

Besides all that, Gillard has shown that her government is simply incapable of administering scheme's such as this involving large amounts of money. Look at what happened with pink batts, schools BER and so on. Can anyone blame some state governments for being hesitant to hand over money to a government that has a horrendous track record at running such programs?

did something happen? those things you listed were a success ... they did what they set out to do ....

If the objective of the pink batts scheme was for every unqualified Tom, Dick and Harry to install pinkkbatts in houses and burn down hundreds of them as well s kill some young installers, then the objective was met. If the objective of the schools BER scheme was to allow companies to do jobs for ridiculously inflated prices that did not give schools the buildings they wanted (one school canteen built had so many mistakes they couldn't get a fridge in) then the objective was met. Those two programs were unmitigated disasters.

since when is the federal govt. responsible for issueing trade licenses?????? I have several, in 2 states, and never once has the federal govt. had anything to do with my license requirements .

What happened is what you can expect to happen on worksites without union representation ..... health and safety go out the window.

This was a federal scheme. They administered it and set the requirements. For pink batts, all that was required was a short course at first until they had a few deaths on their hands. Your memory is very flaky!

I don't care who's scheme it was .. the responsibility of issuing and policing trade licenses belongs to the states, that's a fact and you cannot twist it anyway ... the course requirements differ state to state ... (look at that, a state issue) people died because unscrupulous bosses were sending kids up to do work they were untrained for, and because they were using a product that was never designed to go into those roofs .....

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Re: Conservative state govts say stuff the disabled
Reply #25 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 8:49pm

labor just want to build another union fat public service for the princley sum of $650million dollars federally, just to organise a service for 20000 people. Thats without spending any money on those 20000 people. $650million just for public servants.

No wonder the unions call out in public to pull the PM strings. They are in control.

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Reply #26 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 8:50pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:31pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:19pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:15pm:

Besides all that, Gillard has shown that her government is simply incapable of administering scheme's such as this involving large amounts of money. Look at what happened with pink batts, schools BER and so on. Can anyone blame some state governments for being hesitant to hand over money to a government that has a horrendous track record at running such programs?

did something happen? those things you listed were a success ... they did what they set out to do ....

If the objective of the pink batts scheme was for every unqualified Tom, Dick and Harry to install pinkkbatts in houses and burn down hundreds of them as well s kill some young installers, then the objective was met. If the objective of the schools BER scheme was to allow companies to do jobs for ridiculously inflated prices that did not give schools the buildings they wanted (one school canteen built had so many mistakes they couldn't get a fridge in) then the objective was met. Those two programs were unmitigated disasters.

since when is the federal govt. responsible for issueing trade licenses?????? I have several, in 2 states, and never once has the federal govt. had anything to do with my license requirements .

What happened is what you can expect to happen on worksites without union representation ..... health and safety go out the window.

This was a federal scheme. They administered it and set the requirements. For pink batts, all that was required was a short course at first until they had a few deaths on their hands. Your memory is very flaky!

if they had used pink batts there would never have been an issue .. the issue arose from those using sheet insultation (designed to go between colorbond roofing and the trusses, not in attics)

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Re: Conservative state govts say stuff the disabled
Reply #27 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 8:52pm

adelcrow wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 6:26pm:

Thinks twice before you vote conserative if you want to protect the rights of disabled Aussies...remembering that you and your loved ones are all a car crash away from joining the ranks of the disabled.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-26/cassidy-shirking-responsibility-for-the-di...

Remember what Hitler did to the disabled?

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Reply #28 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 9:07pm

adelcrow wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 6:26pm:

Thinks twice before you vote conserative if you want to protect the rights of disabled Aussies...remembering that you and your loved ones are all a car crash away from joining the ranks of the disabled.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-26/cassidy-shirking-responsibility-for-the-di...

To whom do we pay a medicare levy?

Quote:

Federal government

The Commonwealth (or Australian) Government (also described as the federal government) is based in Canberra and is probably the most visible of the three levels of government. Its responsibilities are written in the Australian Constitution.

The Commonwealth handles ‘big picture’ issues. These include:

advertising regulations
broadcasting
currency
defence
immigration
international treaties and policy
marriage
quarantine
telecommunications
trade.

When Commonwealth responsibilities overlap with those of state or territory and local governments, the Commonwealth usually takes a national role. For example, it handles:

roads by managing national highways
public health by managing Medicare and drug control
education by funding universities and the National Library
sport by supporting national teams
taxes by collecting income tax and various levies and excise (such as tobacco, alcohol, fuel)
environment by enacting policies regarding large environmental and pollution issues.

http://www.actnow.com.au/Tool/Federal_state_localwhos_in_charge_of_what.aspx

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The ALP, the progressive party, the party of ideas, the workers' friend, is the only Australian political party to roast four young Australians in roof cavities. SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!

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Re: Conservative state govts say stuff the disabled
Reply #29 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 9:12pm

salad in wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 9:07pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 6:26pm:

Thinks twice before you vote conserative if you want to protect the rights of disabled Aussies...remembering that you and your loved ones are all a car crash away from joining the ranks of the disabled.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-26/cassidy-shirking-responsibility-for-the-di...

To whom do we pay a medicare levy?

Quote:

Federal government

The Commonwealth (or Australian) Government (also described as the federal government) is based in Canberra and is probably the most visible of the three levels of government. Its responsibilities are written in the Australian Constitution.

The Commonwealth handles ‘big picture’ issues. These include:

advertising regulations
broadcasting
currency
defence
immigration
international treaties and policy
marriage
quarantine
telecommunications
trade.

When Commonwealth responsibilities overlap with those of state or territory and local governments, the Commonwealth usually takes a national role. For example, it handles:

roads by managing national highways
public health by managing Medicare and drug control
education by funding universities and the National Library
sport by supporting national teams
taxes by collecting income tax and various levies and excise (such as tobacco, alcohol, fuel)
environment by enacting policies regarding large environmental and pollution issues.

http://www.actnow.com.au/Tool/Federal_state_localwhos_in_charge_of_what.aspx

I don't see anything there about licensing for tradespeople .... thank you

NSW its Dept. Fair trade
Qld it's Building Services Association

don't know the other states, but if it was federal, NSW and QLD would be the same.

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