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Re: Conservative state govts say stuff the disabled
Reply #30 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 9:31pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 8:50pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 7:35pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 7:31pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 7:29pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 7:19pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 7:15pm:
Besides all that, Gillard has shown that her government is simply incapable of administering scheme's such as this involving large amounts of money. Look at what happened with pink batts, schools BER and so on. Can anyone blame some state governments for being hesitant to hand over money to a government that has a horrendous track record at running such programs?


did something happen? those things you listed were a success ... they did what they set out to do ....


If the objective of the pink batts scheme was for every unqualified Tom, Dick and Harry to install pinkkbatts in houses and burn down hundreds of them as well  s kill some young installers, then the objective was met. If the objective of the schools BER scheme was to allow companies to do jobs for ridiculously inflated prices that did not give schools the buildings they wanted (one school canteen built had so many mistakes they couldn't get a fridge in) then the objective was met. Those two programs were unmitigated disasters.


since when is the federal govt. responsible for issueing trade licenses??????  I have several, in 2 states, and never once has the federal govt. had anything to do with my license requirements .

What happened is what you can expect to happen on worksites without union representation ..... health and safety go out the window.


This was a federal scheme. They administered it and set the requirements. For pink batts, all that was required was a short course at first until they had a few deaths on their hands. Your memory is very flaky!


if they had used pink batts there would never have been an issue .. the issue arose from those using sheet insultation (designed to go between colorbond roofing and the trusses, not in attics)


A lot of fires were caused by inexperienced installees placing pink batts on top of light fittings in the roof, causing the pink batts to get so hot they caught fire.
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Re: Conservative state govts say stuff the disabled
Reply #31 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 9:31pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 6:26pm:
Thinks twice before you vote conserative if you want to protect the rights of disabled Aussies...remembering that you and your loved ones are all a car crash away from joining the ranks of the disabled.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-26/cassidy-shirking-responsibility-for-the-di...


Why couldn't the bird of paradox divert some of the AUD$43 billion away from the NBN and devote it to the NDIS?

Maybe we could teach those with a disability to use the NBN to talk to each other about their disabilities. How soothing.

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I have been a vocal critic of the National Broadband Network for a long time and was talking about what a mess it would be way before the mainstream media woke up.  So to further illustrate my point I have put together a list of  areas or ways where I believe the taxpayers $43 billion could be better spent and deliver better outcomes for the Australian people.

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http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/opinion/43-ways-to-spend-the-national-broadband-networks-43-billion/



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Re: Conservative state govts say stuff the disabled
Reply #32 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 9:35pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 9:12pm:
salad in wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 9:07pm:
adelcrow wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 6:26pm:
Thinks twice before you vote conserative if you want to protect the rights of disabled Aussies...remembering that you and your loved ones are all a car crash away from joining the ranks of the disabled.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-26/cassidy-shirking-responsibility-for-the-di...


To whom do we pay a medicare levy?

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The Commonwealth (or Australian) Government (also described as the federal government) is based in Canberra and is probably the most visible of the three levels of government. Its responsibilities are written in the Australian Constitution.

The Commonwealth handles ‘big picture’ issues. These include:

    advertising regulations
    broadcasting
    currency
    defence
    immigration
    international treaties and policy
    marriage
    quarantine
    telecommunications
    trade.


When Commonwealth responsibilities overlap with those of state or territory and local governments, the Commonwealth usually takes a national role. For example, it handles:

    roads by managing national highways
    public health by managing Medicare and drug control
    education by funding universities and the National Library
    sport by supporting national teams
    taxes by collecting income tax and various levies and excise (such as tobacco, alcohol, fuel)
    environment by enacting policies regarding large environmental and pollution issues.

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I don't see anything there about licensing for tradespeople .... thank you

NSW its Dept. Fair trade
Qld it's Building Services Association

don't know the other states, but if it was federal, NSW and QLD would be the same.


Federal govt administered the scheme and set the minimum requirements as far as licences, etc were concerned. That's where they screwed up. I never said the federal government issued licences - they just set the criteria that decided who could do the work.
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Re: Conservative state govts say stuff the disabled
Reply #33 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 9:45pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 9:12pm:
salad in wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 9:07pm:
adelcrow wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 6:26pm:
Thinks twice before you vote conserative if you want to protect the rights of disabled Aussies...remembering that you and your loved ones are all a car crash away from joining the ranks of the disabled.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-26/cassidy-shirking-responsibility-for-the-di...


To whom do we pay a medicare levy?

Quote:
Federal government

The Commonwealth (or Australian) Government (also described as the federal government) is based in Canberra and is probably the most visible of the three levels of government. Its responsibilities are written in the Australian Constitution.

The Commonwealth handles ‘big picture’ issues. These include:

    advertising regulations
    broadcasting
    currency
    defence
    immigration
    international treaties and policy
    marriage
    quarantine
    telecommunications
    trade.


When Commonwealth responsibilities overlap with those of state or territory and local governments, the Commonwealth usually takes a national role. For example, it handles:

    roads by managing national highways
    public health by managing Medicare and drug control
    education by funding universities and the National Library
    sport by supporting national teams
    taxes by collecting income tax and various levies and excise (such as tobacco, alcohol, fuel)
    environment by enacting policies regarding large environmental and pollution issues.

http://www.actnow.com.au/Tool/Federal_state_localwhos_in_charge_of_what.aspx





I don't see anything there about licensing for tradespeople .... thank you

NSW its Dept. Fair trade
Qld it's Building Services Association

don't know the other states, but if it was federal, NSW and QLD would be the same.


"Announcing the insulation program’s cancellation, Garrett blamed “unscrupulous, sometimes illegal and shonky operators” for the problems in the scheme. However, before the program even got fully operational, the government ignored multiple warnings last April by regulatory agencies that people could die and houses burn down, because the rollout would be effectively unregulated, with no-one to carry out safety or quality inspections.
On Friday, Garrett finally released secret legal advice the government had received last April warning that the program could result in house fires and fraud, and might be of little benefit to the environment. Garrett also revealed that audits had shown a risk of dangerous faults in up to 90,000 homes and that poor quality batts were fitted in 180,000 homes, out of the 1.1 million homes insulated. At-risk homes will be inspected at the rate of 400 a week, potentially taking years.
There is no doubt that the government’s scheme demonstrated its callous indifference for the lives and safety of insulation installers and home owners. In the scramble to take advantage of the $1,200 (initially $1,600) on offer for each installation, contractors recruited inexperienced young people for technical and dangerous work, with no regard for health and safety.
The accreditation process for the 7,500 or so employers who rushed into the insulation market was obviously inadequate—it could be completed on the Internet and over the phone. Serious fire hazards were caused when operators installed insulation too close to electric cables, ceiling fans, lights and transformers."
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Re: Conservative state govts say stuff the disabled
Reply #34 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 10:25pm
 
Can I ask what actually are they trying to set up??

whats the purpose of this scheme??

Sorry but I haven't paid any attention to this policy, Sorry
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Reply #35 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 10:30pm
 
When they talk about setting up a launch site is that going to be like the much fanfare publicised GP super clinics that Roxon crowed about for ages??

What ever happened to them??

Now this insurance scheme whats it supposed to do??? I don't get it??
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Reply #36 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 10:31pm
 
woof woof wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 10:30pm:
When they talk about setting up a launch site is that going to be like the much fanfare publicised GP super clinics that Roxon crowed about for ages??

What ever happened to them??

Now this insurance scheme whats it supposed to do??? I don't get it??


I think only a handful of those super clinics have materialised, as is the case with anything Labor does...
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Reply #37 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 10:37pm
 
So your arguing they should have spent more on admin with pink batts to prove they are spending to much on admin with the NDIS?
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Reply #38 - Jul 26th, 2012 at 11:04pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 10:37pm:
So your arguing they should have spent more on admin with pink batts to prove they are spending to much on admin with the NDIS?


How you come to that conclusion is beyond my comprehension!  Shocked
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Reply #39 - Jul 27th, 2012 at 5:13am
 
I see the thread was hijacked so it was about gillard and "pink batts" instead of libs and disability insurance. I thought Howard thought up that pink batt scheme anyway?

No matter ATM the libs are blocking something they should not be blocking just for political gain. Their excuse is lame and they are going to lose votes over this. It shouldn't even have anything to do with votes. Like the boat ppl thing they should care about the lives.

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Reply #40 - Jul 27th, 2012 at 6:49am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 7:29pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 7:19pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 7:15pm:
Besides all that, Gillard has shown that her government is simply incapable of administering scheme's such as this involving large amounts of money. Look at what happened with pink batts, schools BER and so on. Can anyone blame some state governments for being hesitant to hand over money to a government that has a horrendous track record at running such programs?


did something happen? those things you listed were a success ... they did what they set out to do ....


If the objective of the pink batts scheme was for every unqualified Tom, Dick and Harry to install pinkkbatts in houses and burn down hundreds of them as well  s kill some young installers, then the objective was met. If the objective of the schools BER scheme was to allow companies to do jobs for ridiculously inflated prices that did not give schools the buildings they wanted (one school canteen built had so many mistakes they couldn't get a fridge in) then the objective was met. Those two programs were unmitigated disasters.




Conservative spin, the lot of it.

Not ONE WORD of those claims is true.

As has been PROVEN and DEMONSTRATED.

Just give up on this, Libs, you are WRONG, as usual.


And you lot have the gall to call Gillard a liar.......?

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Reply #41 - Jul 27th, 2012 at 7:23am
 
Kat wrote on Jul 27th, 2012 at 6:49am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 7:29pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 7:19pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 7:15pm:
Besides all that, Gillard has shown that her government is simply incapable of administering scheme's such as this involving large amounts of money. Look at what happened with pink batts, schools BER and so on. Can anyone blame some state governments for being hesitant to hand over money to a government that has a horrendous track record at running such programs?


did something happen? those things you listed were a success ... they did what they set out to do ....


If the objective of the pink batts scheme was for every unqualified Tom, Dick and Harry to install pinkkbatts in houses and burn down hundreds of them as well  s kill some young installers, then the objective was met. If the objective of the schools BER scheme was to allow companies to do jobs for ridiculously inflated prices that did not give schools the buildings they wanted (one school canteen built had so many mistakes they couldn't get a fridge in) then the objective was met. Those two programs were unmitigated disasters.




Conservative spin, the lot of it.

Not ONE WORD of those claims is true.
Tell that to the families who lost young men when they died of heat exhaustion inside house roofs while installing pink batts. Tell that to the people who lost their homes when they burned down due to dodgy installers.


As has been PROVEN and DEMONSTRATED.
See above.


Just give up on this, Libs, you are WRONG, as usual.
See above the previous "see above".



And you lot have the gall to call Gillard a liar.......?
Liar, liar, pants on fire!



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Reply #42 - Jul 27th, 2012 at 7:24am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 27th, 2012 at 5:13am:
I see the thread was hijacked so it was about gillard and "pink batts" instead of libs and disability insurance. I thought Howard thought up that pink batt scheme anyway?
So what if he did? He didn't implement the scheme that cost some young men their lives and nearly cost hundreds of families their lives when their houses burned down.


No matter ATM the libs are blocking something they should not be blocking just for political gain. Their excuse is lame and they are going to lose votes over this. It shouldn't even have anything to do with votes. Like the boat ppl thing they should care about the lives.

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Reply #43 - Jul 27th, 2012 at 7:27am
 
Conservative state govts say stuff the disabled

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What a lot of mean bastards they are.

How on earth do they sleep at night?

The people that vote for them are like minded.....mean to the bone.
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Reply #44 - Jul 27th, 2012 at 7:36am
 
Playing politics with the lives of the disabled is a new low even for the Conservatives.
We all know we can afford to make the lives of the disabled and their carers a little easier even if it means diverting a few dollars from pollies overblown super funds and cutting back on spin doctors and consultants.
The Conservative states can easily afford to make the lives of the disabled a little easier and if its beyond them they should all quit.
Whats important in this country?
Pollies and public service fat cats or the disabled and their families?
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