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the difference beteen democracy and dictatorship
Jul 28^th, 2012 at 3:01pm

Can you tell the difference?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 2:35pm:

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I think monarchies, dictatorships and theocracies are all bad. I value the freedom we have to criticise religion and government and the chance we have to participate in real elections.

Be nice if we actually had that freedom but we dont. We get to vote between tweedledee and tweedledum and we didnt pick either of them.

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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: the difference beteen democracy and dictatorship Reply #1 - Jul 28^th, 2012 at 3:34pm So why don't you tell us what the difference is?
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Re: the difference beteen democracy and dictatorship
Reply #2 - Jul 28^th, 2012 at 8:32pm

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 3:01pm:

Can you tell the difference?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 2:35pm:

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I think monarchies, dictatorships and theocracies are all bad. I value the freedom we have to criticise religion and government and the chance we have to participate in real elections.

Be nice if we actually had that freedom but we dont. We get to vote between tweedledee and tweedledum and we didnt pick either of them.

SOB

In reality and you can probably throw in Communism as well, there is probably little difference.

Very few, of us, really have the freedoms we think we have!

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40764 Gender:	Re: the difference beteen democracy and dictatorship Reply #3 - Jul 28^th, 2012 at 8:59pm A dictatoraship you can't speak out against. At times you can't vote them out. They are imposed upon the populace.
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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: the difference beteen democracy and dictatorship Reply #4 - Jul 28^th, 2012 at 9:00pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 8:59pm: A dictatoraship you can't speak out against. At times you can't vote them out. They are imposed upon the populace. Like the financial system?
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Re: the difference beteen democracy and dictatorship
Reply #5 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 6:28am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 8:59pm:

A dictatoraship you can't speak out against.
At times you can't vote them out.

They are imposed upon the populace.

Not all dictatorships are like that. you can have one that gives the illusion of "freedom" like ours. Heh i think russia is an example of that but ppl are starting to wake up. Wont help though - maybe they will get an illusory 2 choices next time and be told that is "democracy".

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Re: the difference beteen democracy and dictatorship
Reply #6 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 6:29am

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 8:32pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 3:01pm:

Can you tell the difference?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 2:35pm:

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I think monarchies, dictatorships and theocracies are all bad. I value the freedom we have to criticise religion and government and the chance we have to participate in real elections.

Be nice if we actually had that freedom but we dont. We get to vote between tweedledee and tweedledum and we didnt pick either of them.

SOB

In reality and you can probably throw in Communism as well, there is probably little difference.

Very few, of us, really have the freedoms we think we have!

Saigon seems to be doing okay.

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Reply #7 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 7:28am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 6:28am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 8:59pm:

A dictatoraship you can't speak out against.
At times you can't vote them out.

They are imposed upon the populace.

Not all dictatorships are like that. you can have one that gives the illusion of "freedom" like ours. Heh i think russia is an example of that but ppl are starting to wake up. Wont help though - maybe they will get an illusory 2 choices next time and be told that is "democracy".

SOB

Can you explain how our freedom is an illusion? What is it we are not allowed to criticise, and why haven't we noticed?

How many choices do you think we get at election time?

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Reply #8 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 12:17pm

the difference beteen democracy and dictatorship

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 3:01pm:

Can you tell the difference?

All forms of government are a form of 'lawful' coercion.

Even democracy.

Democracy is the imposition of the will, of a majority, upon a minority [i.e. those who disagree with a majority view, on a particular issue].

In its purest form, a democracy is a dictatorship, by the majority.

Even so, i have no argument with the principle of democracy, as a form of government.

My main argument with regards democracy [as a political system], is that, imo, there should be some means to remove the right of idiots [and criminals, etc], to elect lawmakers.

I don't believe that there should a right of unearned 'universal suffrage' [i.e. the right of all adults to vote in political elections.].

I don't believe that unearned 'universal suffrage' can produce a wise lawmaking body, which can in the long term bring beneficial governance to a community.

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Reply #9 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 12:55pm

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Even so, i have no argument with the principle of democracy, as a form of government.

Our government is not a democracy. We dont have a say in anything @ all except the choice between 2 parties. Thats it. If it was a "democracy" we would have more say. There would be referendums. ETc.

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Reply #10 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 1:10pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 6:28am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 8:59pm:

A dictatoraship you can't speak out against.
At times you can't vote them out.

They are imposed upon the populace.

Not all dictatorships are like that. you can have one that gives the illusion of "freedom" like ours. Heh i think russia is an example of that but ppl are starting to wake up. Wont help though - maybe they will get an illusory 2 choices next time and be told that is "democracy".

SOB

you may not like the democratic system we have SOB.
You do have the right to speak out against it, as you are, without fear of any repercussions.

You can also start up your own party to stand .

Neither of these facts exist under a dictatorship.

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Reply #11 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 1:16pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 1:10pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 6:28am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 8:59pm:

A dictatoraship you can't speak out against.
At times you can't vote them out.

They are imposed upon the populace.

Not all dictatorships are like that. you can have one that gives the illusion of "freedom" like ours. Heh i think russia is an example of that but ppl are starting to wake up. Wont help though - maybe they will get an illusory 2 choices next time and be told that is "democracy".

SOB

you may not like the democratic system we have SOB.
You do have the right to speak out against it, as you are, without fear of any repercussions.

You can also start up your own party to stand .

Neither of these facts exist under a dictatorship.

Cept if the dictatorship knows that it will make no difference.

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Reply #12 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:05pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 1:10pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 6:28am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 8:59pm:

A dictatoraship you can't speak out against.
At times you can't vote them out.

They are imposed upon the populace.

Not all dictatorships are like that. you can have one that gives the illusion of "freedom" like ours. Heh i think russia is an example of that but ppl are starting to wake up. Wont help though - maybe they will get an illusory 2 choices next time and be told that is "democracy".

SOB

you may not like the democratic system we have SOB.
You do have the right to speak out against it, as you are, without fear of any repercussions.

You can also start up your own party to stand .

Neither of these facts exist under a dictatorship.

Vote whoever you want you still get whats chosen for you.

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Reply #13 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 3:10pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:05pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 1:10pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 6:28am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 8:59pm:

A dictatoraship you can't speak out against.
At times you can't vote them out.

They are imposed upon the populace.

Not all dictatorships are like that. you can have one that gives the illusion of "freedom" like ours. Heh i think russia is an example of that but ppl are starting to wake up. Wont help though - maybe they will get an illusory 2 choices next time and be told that is "democracy".

SOB

you may not like the democratic system we have SOB.
You do have the right to speak out against it, as you are, without fear of any repercussions.

You can also start up your own party to stand .

Neither of these facts exist under a dictatorship.

Vote whoever you want you still get whats chosen for you.

SOB

Wow!

That is very defeatist of you SPOT.

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Reply #14 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 3:17pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:05pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 1:10pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 6:28am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 8:59pm:

A dictatoraship you can't speak out against.
At times you can't vote them out.

They are imposed upon the populace.

Not all dictatorships are like that. you can have one that gives the illusion of "freedom" like ours. Heh i think russia is an example of that but ppl are starting to wake up. Wont help though - maybe they will get an illusory 2 choices next time and be told that is "democracy".

SOB

you may not like the democratic system we have SOB.
You do have the right to speak out against it, as you are, without fear of any repercussions.

You can also start up your own party to stand .

Neither of these facts exist under a dictatorship.

Vote whoever you want you still get whats chosen for you.

SOB

SPOT,

It is true that we do not enjoy real freedom, ..........except;

If you truly wish to be free, then [you should always try to] act as though you are a free person.

So what do i mean ?

Don't allow others to define who you are, or what you can be.

Don't give them that power.

John Locke 1632-1704

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