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Re: all the jewish tribes were treacherous
Reply #15 - Sep 30^th, 2014 at 8:04am

freediver wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 6:22pm:

How many died in this attack?

Not many - completely irrelevant though.

freediver wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 6:22pm:

All 800 of them deserved to die for being scheming Jews

800, 600, 900, 700 - we have a different figure every time.

Each one of them had the opportunity to disown the decision of their leaders and pledge loyalty to the state, some did - we don't know exactly how many. Those who didn't are by default guilty.

Tough titties - off with your heads Cool

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Reply #16 - Sep 30^th, 2014 at 7:16pm

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Not many - completely irrelevant though.

Can you be more specific? I think it is entirely relevant. You are using this battle to justify Muhammed slaughtering all 800 adult males of the tribe.

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800, 600, 900, 700 - we have a different figure every time.

I acknowledge that this number is approximate, as they obviously lost count. After all, they were only Jews, no need to get all anal about the details or you might look like a Nazi. But it was a large pile of heads.

What is the uncertainty in the number of people killed in the battle you use to justify this act of mercy by Muhammed?

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Each one of them had the opportunity to disown the decision of their leaders and pledge loyalty to the state, some did - we don't know exactly how many. Those who didn't are by default guilty.

Ah, so you pledge your allegiance to the Islamic state, or get your head chopped of. Does this pledge include conversion to Islam? BTW, I recall reading somewhere that it was two people who did this, and they apparently escaped before the Jews were rounded up. Are you sure they were given this opportunity?

Are all Jews guilty by default?

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Tough titties - off with your heads

Islam is peace. Innit?

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Reply #17 - Sep 30^th, 2014 at 11:01pm

freediver wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 7:16pm:

I think it is entirely relevant.

It is not. An attempted genocide is an attempted genocide - irrespective of how incompetent they were.

freediver wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 7:16pm:

Ah, so you pledge your allegiance to the Islamic state, or get your head chopped of.

For people who had just joined in an attempted genocide - in a complete betrayal of the state they pledged loyalty to - that is entirely reasonable.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #19 - Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:47pm

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It is not. An attempted genocide is an attempted genocide - irrespective of how incompetent they were

Even if they are incompetent to the point of not actually attempting genocide? And since when is talking about taking sides in a war automatically considered an act of genocide by a whole tribe of people, many of whom were not even involved? What Muhammed did was genocide. What the Jews did is completely reasonable, given Muhammed's previous hostility towards them and the other two tribes he had already gotten rid of.

Muhammed was a genocidal maniac. Islam compels you to support that. And you wonder why groups like ISIS are so popular among Muslims. It is not poverty. It is no socio-economic factors. It is not alienation. It is following Muhammed's example.

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For people who had just joined in an attempted genocide - in a complete betrayal of the state they pledged loyalty to - that is entirely reasonable.

This is no different to a Nazi complaining about Jews betraying some kind of oath of loyalty to Nazi Germany. You cannot seriously expect people to believe the Jews owed any loyalty to what Muhammed had become.

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Reply #20 - Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 12:07am

freediver wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:47pm:

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It is not. An attempted genocide is an attempted genocide - irrespective of how incompetent they were

Even if they are incompetent to the point of not actually attempting genocide? And since when is talking about taking sides in a war automatically considered an act of genocide by a whole tribe of people, many of whom were not even involved? What Muhammed did was genocide. What the Jews did is completely reasonable, given Muhammed's previous hostility towards them and the other two tribes he had already gotten rid of.

Muhammed was a genocidal maniac. Islam compels you to support that. And you wonder why groups like ISIS are so popular among Muslims. It is not poverty. It is no socio-economic factors. It is not alienation. It is following Muhammed's example..

Here’s FD trying to talk a Muslim into becoming a genocidal maniac.

Keep at him, FD. He’ll crack in the end.

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Reply #21 - Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 12:35am

Karnal wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 12:07am:

Here’s FD trying to talk a Muslim into becoming a genocidal maniac.

Keep at him, FD. He’ll crack in the end.

I think I get it, I was baffled by karnals 11 or so posts a day of repetitive static and a seemingly 24/7 presence and now I know, she is the voice over guy.

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Reply #22 - Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 12:53am

Datalife wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 12:35am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 12:07am:

Here’s FD trying to talk a Muslim into becoming a genocidal maniac.

Keep at him, FD. He’ll crack in the end.

I think I get it, I was baffled by karnals 11 or so posts a day of repetitive static and a seemingly 24/7 presence and now I know, she is the voice over guy.

No no, I’m Richard Mercer on Love Song Dedications.

So good to have you here.

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Re: all the jewish tribes were treacherous
Reply #23 - Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 12:56am

Karnal wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 12:53am:

Datalife wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 12:35am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 12:07am:

Here’s FD trying to talk a Muslim into becoming a genocidal maniac.

Keep at him, FD. He’ll crack in the end.

I think I get it, I was baffled by karnals 11 or so posts a day of repetitive static and a seemingly 24/7 presence and now I know, she is the voice over guy.

No no, I’m Richard Mercer on Love Song Dedications.

So good to have you here.

Why thank you but at one in the morning i am off to bed.
Keep up the patrols and maintain the borders. Islam must be defended.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: all the jewish tribes were treacherous Reply #24 - Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 1:22pm freediver wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:47pm: And you wonder why groups like ISIS are so popular among Muslims. Its not, and thats the whole point.
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Reply #25 - Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 1:35pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 1:22pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:47pm:

And you wonder why groups like ISIS are so popular among Muslims.

Its not, and thats the whole point.

It is, and FD has the words of Abu, Falah, Malik, Lestat and yourself to prove it. That's five Muslims.

They might not have said they support ISIL in so many words, but we know what they think.

They're Muslims.

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Adamant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1892 Brisbane	Re: all the jewish tribes were treacherous Reply #26 - Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 2:09pm polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 1:22pm: freediver wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:47pm: And you wonder why groups like ISIS are so popular among Muslims. Its not, and thats the whole point. Good job your not Moroccan Gandalf, they don't seem to agree with you.
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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 96389	Re: all the jewish tribes were treacherous Reply #27 - Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 3:49pm That's right. Abu, Falah, Malik, Lestat, Gandalf - and Morocco. ISIS is supported by all Muslims. It has to be. Mo tortured that Jew for his gold.
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Re: all the jewish tribes were treacherous
Reply #28 - Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 1:10pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 1:22pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:47pm:

And you wonder why groups like ISIS are so popular among Muslims.

Its not, and thats the whole point.

How many Islamic causes are you aware of that are drawing more Australian Muslims to travel (or attempt to travel) half way round the world to give their direct support? Now name a single one that Muslims risk their lives in any number to support.

ISIS is at the top of the list when it comes to Muslims demonstrating where they stand.

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They might not have said they support ISIL in so many words, but we know what they think.

Actually I expect that there is much to ISIS' behaviour that they would object to. Either that or blame it on western propaganda and refuse to believe it. After all, they are mainstream Muslims. They support a slightly less barbaric version of Islam (unless the Islamic state is under threat, of course).

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: all the jewish tribes were treacherous Reply #29 - Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 2:42pm freediver wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 1:10pm: ISIS is at the top of the list when it comes to Muslims demonstrating where they stand. What a load of crap. There are a gazillion times more muslims fighting ISIS than there are joining them.
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