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Reply #30 - Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 6:51pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 2:42pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 1:10pm:

ISIS is at the top of the list when it comes to Muslims demonstrating where they stand.

What a load of crap. There are a gazillion times more muslims fighting ISIS than there are joining them.

How many Australian Muslims are fighting on each side?

If so many more Muslims are fighting against than for them, on top of all the assistance from non-Muslims, why does ISIS still exist?

Are there any Muslims fighting against ISIS as purely a matter of principle rather than out of self defense?

How does the actions of ISIS differ from the actions of Muhammed in defending his Islamic state against treacherous people who assist or talk about assisting outside forces in attacking?

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Re: all the jewish tribes were treacherous
Reply #31 - Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 8:05pm

freediver wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 6:51pm:

How many Australian Muslims are fighting on each side?

If so many more Muslims are fighting against than for them, on top of all the assistance from non-Muslims, why does ISIS still exist?

Are there any Muslims fighting against ISIS as purely a matter of principle rather than out of self defense?

How does the actions of ISIS differ from the actions of Muhammed in defending his Islamic state against treacherous people who assist or talk about assisting outside forces in attacking?

A very round about way of saying "yes, my statement that 'ISIS is at the top of the list when it comes to Muslims demonstrating where they stand' - was full of crap", but I'll accept it nonetheless.

Have you been taking debating lessons from Baron?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: all the jewish tribes were treacherous
Reply #32 - Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 8:18pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 2:42pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 1:10pm:

ISIS is at the top of the list when it comes to Muslims demonstrating where they stand.

What a load of crap. There are a gazillion times more muslims fighting ISIS than there are joining them.

With the help of the western dictator nations who hate the muslim and only want their oil for free. Eh Gandalf!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: all the jewish tribes were treacherous
Reply #33 - Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 8:28pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 8:05pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 6:51pm:

How many Australian Muslims are fighting on each side?

If so many more Muslims are fighting against than for them, on top of all the assistance from non-Muslims, why does ISIS still exist?

Are there any Muslims fighting against ISIS as purely a matter of principle rather than out of self defense?

How does the actions of ISIS differ from the actions of Muhammed in defending his Islamic state against treacherous people who assist or talk about assisting outside forces in attacking?

A very round about way of saying "yes, my statement that 'ISIS is at the top of the list when it comes to Muslims demonstrating where they stand' - was full of crap", but I'll accept it nonetheless.

Have you been taking debating lessons from Baron?

Many Muslims supporting ISIS have flown half way round the world to literally stare death in the face, in support of ISIS. Even more have tried. On the other hand we have some press releases and a BBQ where Muslims stared kafir sycophants in the face.

You are the one who brought up the issue of Muslims demonstrating where they stand. When it comes to that, ISIS is on top of the list. When the extremists see 'good' Muslims such as yourself justifying the genocide of those Jews because some of them merely talked about fighting against the original Islamic state, how do you think they interpret those weasel words?

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Reply #34 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 10:10am

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 4:43pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 2:48pm:

Crap. There was no actual fighting until Muhammed laid siege to the Jewish tribe.

Umm the city was under attack by the Quraysh. Also the Sealed Nectar, which Baron always used to love to reference, describes specific attacks by the Qurayza against the muslims during the siege.

In any case, all that really matters is that the Qurayza secretly met with the Quraysh to arrange the opening up of a second front, on order for the Quraysh to perform a genocide and destroy the muslim state. The deal only fell through over a disagreement about hostages (each side would take hostages from the other as insurance). That alone is a capital offense in just about everyone's book.

So tough titties traitors Cool

Does this sound like treachery, if yes from which side?

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Umar expelled the jews and christians from Hijaz.
When Allah's messenger conquered Khaibar, he wanted to expel the jews from it as its land had become the property of Allah,his apostle and the muslims.

Allah's messenger intended to expel the jews but they requested to let them stay there on the condition that they would do the labor and get half of the fruits.

Allah's messenger told them,we will let you stay on thus condition,as long as we wish.
So the jews kept living there until Umar forced them to piss off.
sunnah.com/bukhari/41/19

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49371 At my desk.	Re: all the jewish tribes were treacherous Reply #35 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 11:36am Thank you Baron for demonstrating again the great mercy of Muhammed.
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Re: all the jewish tribes were treacherous
Reply #36 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 1:21pm

freediver wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 8:28pm:

Many Muslims supporting ISIS have flown half way round the world to literally stare death in the face, in support of ISIS. Even more have tried. On the other hand we have some press releases and a BBQ where Muslims stared kafir sycophants in the face.

Whats this FD? - muslims must make the same illegal trip overseas to engage in the same head hacking against ISIS to prove how loyal they are to our freeedoms?

I think the BBQ - in addition to mosques all over the country opening their doors to non-muslims and showing their charity and goodwill during this Eid festival is a nice touch.

But of course theres no pleasing some people.

freediver wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 8:28pm:

You are the one who brought up the issue of Muslims demonstrating where they stand. When it comes to that, ISIS is on top of the list.

No they are not - unless you think the only demonstration that counts is travelling overseas to join a fight. There are close to half a million muslims who "demonstrate" where they stand by living peaceful, coexisting and law abiding lives - just like every other Australian that you don't scrutinise over how they are 'demonstrating where they stand'.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #37 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 1:32pm

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Whats this FD? - muslims must make the same illegal trip overseas to engage in the same head hacking against ISIS to prove how loyal they are to our freeedoms?

I congratulate you on another superb effort of reinterpretation Gandalf.

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No they are not - unless you think the only demonstration that counts is travelling overseas to join a fight.

I did not say it is the only thing on the list. I said it was at the top. What speaks louder than flying half way round the world to risk your life in a minor war that has nothing to do with you, other than the religious link? A BBQ? A carefully worded press release? Eating corn flakes for breakfast?

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There are close to half a million muslims who "demonstrate" where they stand by living peaceful, coexisting and law abiding lives

What does that actually demonstrate Gandalf? That most Muslims don't want to seek out death?

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just like every other Australian that you don't scrutinise over how they are 'demonstrating where they stand'

Most Australians do not stand in ideological support of genocide. Most Australians do not speak the words freedom of speech like it is having your teeth pulled. Being a majority in a democracy, we demonstrate where we stand on a regular basis, and we are not shy about arguing over our differences in public, just in case anyone isn't sure. It is the demonstration by many Muslims in many different ways that they oppose Australian values that makes us scrutinise them. This is entirely justified. Insisting you are a 'normal' person or group of people, while refusing to talk about all the ways in which you are not normal, is not going to reassure anyone.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96387	Re: all the jewish tribes were treacherous Reply #38 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 2:33pm Credit where credit’s due, FD. I can see that you admire G’s reinterpreting. Don’t worry though. I’m sure that if you work hard and apply yourself, you too can be an excellent reinterpreter. Gud is great!
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Re: all the jewish tribes were treacherous
Reply #39 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 3:52pm

freediver wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 1:32pm:

I congratulate you on another superb effort of reinterpretation Gandalf.

It really can't be interpreted any other way. But please help me - give me a few examples of what would "speak louder" as a demonstration of people's rejection of intolerance and violence. Apparently things like successfully integrating as peaceful and law abiding citizens doesn't count. Even though this is no more and no less that what mainstream non-muslims do - and who we don't criticise for "not doing enough" to display their freedom loving credentials.

freediver wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 1:32pm:

What does that actually demonstrate Gandalf? That most Muslims don't want to seek out death?

It demonstrates they are just like everyone else - and therefore there is no logical justification for demanding they constantly jump up and down proving their loyalty.

freediver wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 1:32pm:

Most Australians do not stand in ideological support of genocide.

Most muslims don't either.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #40 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 5:01pm

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It really can't be interpreted any other way. But please help me - give me a few examples of what would "speak louder" as a demonstration of people's rejection of intolerance and violence.

Going over there to fight against them would speak just as loud, but this is not suggesting I think Muslims must do this. It is interesting though that more Australian Muslims are fighting for ISIS than are in our defense force. I have suggested what I think is lacking. It is the basics - like Muslims embracing freedom of speech instead of pretending to, but then siding against freedom of speech at every opportunity. It is working with the police instead of against them in rounding up would-be jihadis here in Australia and those funding them. It is admitting that what Muhammed did was a ghastly act of genocide, rather than proclaiming to the extremists that slaughtering people en-masse if they refuse to support your Islamic state is a noble example to follow. This is what they must do. Of course, this is not going to happen, because Islam is in the way.

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Apparently things like successfully integrating as peaceful and law abiding citizens doesn't count.

It doesn't demonstrate anything, and I would hardly call it successful if they are busy chipping away at the core values of the host society.

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It demonstrates they are just like everyone else

Up until they are challenged in any significant way. Abu spun the same BS. He 'fitted in'. He ate corn flakes for breakfast. But he also wants shariah law and would destroy our freedom and democracy if ever given a chance.

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Most muslims don't either.

You support Muhammed's genocide. How do you think the 'bad' Muslims interpret your support for Jew slaughtering?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: all the jewish tribes were treacherous Reply #41 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 7:32pm freediver wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 5:01pm: It is interesting though that more Australian Muslims are fighting for ISIS than are in our defense force. Wrong. There are 98 muslims in the ADF, and an estimated 60 fighting for jihadists in Syria (most of them not even with ISIS)
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Reply #42 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 7:35pm

freediver wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 5:01pm:

siding against freedom of speech at every opportunity

freediver wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 5:01pm:

working with the police instead of against them

freediver wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 5:01pm:

busy chipping away at the core values of the host society.

blah blah blah....

get back to me when you have some actual facts for this crap

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49371 At my desk.	Re: all the jewish tribes were treacherous Reply #43 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 7:46pm Do you agree with the genocide comment, or did you omit it by accident from the list?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: all the jewish tribes were treacherous Reply #44 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 7:49pm Actually I was thinking of starting a new thread on that - as it raises an interesting point. But please don't be distracted in finding your evidence for all those sinister doings by Australian muslims.
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