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Reply #15 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 1:25pm

... wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

And why is having children at a "young" age (ie the prime biological window) a bad thing?
Simply because it robs corporrate australia of a decade or 2 wage-slavery, or is there another reason I haven't considered?

I'm pretty sure 15yo is not the prime window for child birth. There is still a significantly higher risk of death in childbirth at that age.

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Reply #16 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 1:33pm

freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

... wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

And why is having children at a "young" age (ie the prime biological window) a bad thing?
Simply because it robs corporrate australia of a decade or 2 wage-slavery, or is there another reason I haven't considered?

I'm pretty sure 15yo is not the prime window for child birth. There is still a significantly higher risk of death in childbirth at that age.

15 is just a number they picked for shock value, it might be on the lower end of ideal, but the best age for child bearing is a lot closer to 15 than it is to 35.

But big corporate has an uncanny knack for convincing us that their best interests are our best interests. Thus, nowadays, someone who has a child at the same age our parents did is seen as "irresponsible". Who needs healthy children when there's profit to be had eh?

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49243 At my desk.	Re: Paying The Baby Bonus To 15 Year Old Mums. Reply #17 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 2:46pm Other than starting to develop child bearing hips, what makes you think reaching the age of 15 makes them ideal in terms of raising healthy children?
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Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: Paying The Baby Bonus To 15 Year Old Mums. Reply #18 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 2:49pm As long as the baby bonus gets means tested so the "in crowd" on corporate welfare doesn't benefit...
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Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: Paying The Baby Bonus To 15 Year Old Mums. Reply #19 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 2:56pm People who should be excluded from reproductive subsidies through means testing... Athletes Anyone with a degree Porn Stars Celebrities Corporate Executives Anyone who has been a contestant in the Big Brother house
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Reply #20 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 2:57pm

freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 2:46pm:

Other than starting to develop child bearing hips, what makes you think reaching the age of 15 makes them ideal in terms of raising healthy children?

This will be interesting. I wonder what he will do @ you being a dick and quoting him wrongly and putting words in his mouth? My guess is he will ignore you completely but maybe he will do something else we shall see.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49243 At my desk.	Re: Paying The Baby Bonus To 15 Year Old Mums. Reply #21 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 3:01pm Are you hoping he will blow up a bus?
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Reply #22 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 3:22pm

freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 2:46pm:

Other than starting to develop child bearing hips, what makes you think reaching the age of 15 makes them ideal in terms of raising healthy children?

An interesting way to put it.
You are of course aware of the qualifications I have made (biologically speaking, 15 being a little young to be ideal, but closer than current average)

Quite simply, the quality of eggs (and sperm, to a lesser extent) declines with age. Is it really a secret that older women have more trouble conceiving/carrying full term and have children with more health issues?

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Biologically, the best outcomes for pregnancy are seen in women in their late teens and early 20s, though the frequency with which these women are becoming mothers is declining in our community.

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/life-choices-for-women-2011...

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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: Paying The Baby Bonus To 15 Year Old Mums. Reply #23 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 3:27pm freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 2:46pm: Other than starting to develop child bearing hips, what makes you think reaching the age of 15 makes them ideal in terms of raising healthy children? Biology?
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26512 Australia	Re: Paying The Baby Bonus To 15 Year Old Mums. Reply #24 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 4:05pm freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 3:01pm: Are you hoping he will blow up a bus? Do ppl blow up your bus often? Is that something i should worry about if i get on a bus you are on? SOB
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49243 At my desk.	Re: Paying The Baby Bonus To 15 Year Old Mums. Reply #25 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 5:03pm No, but you defending people tends to be associated with that sort of thing. Should I self censor now in case he gets angry?
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Reply #26 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 5:21pm

Shane B wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 1:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 9:10am:

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Does the baby bonus encourage some people, to have kids in the first place, that probably shouldn't?. Sad

I'm not so sure it does ... i know people claim that it does, but I've seen no evidence of this .. I've had 2 babies since the policy started, and it never once entered the equation .. i know the shock jocks would have you believe 15 yr olds are having kids for the bonus, but thats a load of crap .... show me ONE 15 yr old who has done that

Obviously you don't get out much. Go have a look around Minto.

lots of pregnant 15yr olds in Minto before the baby bonus ... you cannot prove the bonus has increased teenage pregnancy

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Paying The Baby Bonus To 15 Year Old Mums. Reply #27 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 5:26pm Dont worry - blowing up buses doesn't feature in my plans at the moment. I should warn you though - I'm going to go see the new batman movie, and if recent media hysteria is to be believed, its a near certainty that I will be inspired to shoot up the movie theater as a result.
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26512 Australia	Re: Paying The Baby Bonus To 15 Year Old Mums. Reply #28 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 5:27pm freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 5:03pm: No, but you defending people tends to be associated with that sort of thing. Should I self censor now in case he gets angry? You are doing it again wanker. Who exactly am i "defending"? SOB
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