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Reply #15 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 9:56am

skippy. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 9:05am:

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islands havent sunk overnight

Islands in the pacific ocean are and have been sinking ,cods, I really dont know where you get your information from, but its wrong. Roll Eyes

If they are "sinking" that would be caused by local geology, if they are being eroded by the ocean then that is a continuation of that that has been continuing for millennia, I'm not disagreeing with the concept of rising sea levels as I am not qualified to do so, however to put the blame entirely on those levels is flawed. Coastlines around every continent were and are continually changing due to tidal erosion and to a lesser extent rising sea levels.

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Reply #16 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 10:17am

Guildford wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 9:56am:

skippy. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 9:05am:

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islands havent sunk overnight

Islands in the pacific ocean are and have been sinking ,cods, I really dont know where you get your information from, but its wrong. Roll Eyes

If they are "sinking" that would be caused by local geology, if they are being eroded by the ocean then that is a continuation of that that has been continuing for millennia, I'm not disagreeing with the concept of rising sea levels as I am not qualified to do so, however to put the blame entirely on those levels is flawed. Coastlines around every continent were and are continually changing due to tidal erosion and to a lesser extent rising sea levels.

ABSOLUTELY 100 % CORRECT GUILDFORD.

the sinking islands in the maldives are due to deep subsidence and nothing to do with rising ocean levels.
i think the latest data is that ocean levels have risen about 4 cm in the last 50 years. that would not put any island under. really, you cant have rising ocean levels in one ocean and not in another. that would be a very strange stretch of newtons laws of physics.

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Reply #17 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 10:30am

cods wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 4:34am:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2012 at 6:24pm:

I hope your going to enjoy Abbotts gift to the nation..a long long long recession.

they will inherit a mess and well you know it if all this is true and it does happen.. in my mind it will be JOB loses..everywhere we go jobs are going..this govt had ploughed millions into the car industry and for what good.. seems like they did no forward thinking.as far as just last Jan they ploughed more in..telling us they were saving jobs.. what a lie a devastating lie to all those with the axe hanging over their heads and not much more for those that are still there they would all be thinking.. HOW LONG HAVE WE GOT..

your job may well be safe I dont know where you work.. but believe me its cruel what is happening in a country that we keep getting told is fantastic ahs the world best economy...over and over... yeah tell that to the families that have nowhere to turn..

I do not say Abbott will turn all that around but by golly the Libs didnt start this avalanche and its time some of you lefties began to admit that..

it wont be Abbotts gift it will be the remnants from the Labor Green alliance.

I dont recall the word RECESSION being used once when Howard was in.. then rudd and gillard did their level best to start one.. and well as you can see they achieved it..THANKS VERY MUCH.

I can't believe you wrote this Cods,
OK now's your chance to tell us all why you think this way.
But I,m betting you can't or won't, lets face it you are a rusted on there's no other reason anybody would believe this rubbish.

Rudd and Gillard tried to give us a recession,that's pathetic.

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Reply #18 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 10:37am

aquascoot wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 10:17am:

Guildford wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 9:56am:

skippy. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 9:05am:

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islands havent sunk overnight

Islands in the pacific ocean are and have been sinking ,cods, I really dont know where you get your information from, but its wrong. Roll Eyes

If they are "sinking" that would be caused by local geology, if they are being eroded by the ocean then that is a continuation of that that has been continuing for millennia, I'm not disagreeing with the concept of rising sea levels as I am not qualified to do so, however to put the blame entirely on those levels is flawed. Coastlines around every continent were and are continually changing due to tidal erosion and to a lesser extent rising sea levels.

ABSOLUTELY 100 % CORRECT GUILDFORD.

the sinking islands in the maldives are due to deep subsidence and nothing to do with rising ocean levels.
i think the latest data is that ocean levels have risen about 4 cm in the last 50 years. that would not put any island under. really, you cant have rising ocean levels in one ocean and not in another. that would be a very strange stretch of newtons laws of physics.

Umm... without disagreeing about your statement about the Maldives (I've no idea on that), the bit about ocean levels and Newton's laws needs some expansion. Levels are at all times different between different oceans. This is a phenomenon we know as "tides".

Moreover I believe there is an ongoing difference in the mean sea level between (for instance) the Pacific and Atlantic oceans, something that had to be allowed for when building the Panama Canal. Not much - about 20cm - but it does exist.

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Re: Labor's internal polling numbers
Reply #19 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 11:12am

skippy. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 9:05am:

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islands havent sunk overnight

Islands in the pacific ocean are and have been sinking ,cods, I really dont know where you get your information from, but its wrong. Roll Eyes

The islands are sinking because they are coral attols- as they've always done - rise and fall. the sea however is not rising.

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Reply #20 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 11:41am

cods wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 4:34am:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2012 at 6:24pm:

I hope your going to enjoy Abbotts gift to the nation..a long long long recession.

they will inherit a mess and well you know it if all this is true and it does happen.. in my mind it will be JOB loses..everywhere we go jobs are going..this govt had ploughed millions into the car industry and for what good.. seems like they did no forward thinking.as far as just last Jan they ploughed more in..telling us they were saving jobs.. what a lie a devastating lie to all those with the axe hanging over their heads and not much more for those that are still there they would all be thinking.. HOW LONG HAVE WE GOT..

your job may well be safe I dont know where you work.. but believe me its cruel what is happening in a country that we keep getting told is fantastic ahs the world best economy...over and over... yeah tell that to the families that have nowhere to turn..

I do not say Abbott will turn all that around but by golly the Libs didnt start this avalanche and its time some of you lefties began to admit that..

it wont be Abbotts gift it will be the remnants from the Labor Green alliance.

I dont recall the word RECESSION being used once when Howard was in.. then rudd and gillard did their level best to start one.. and well as you can see they achieved it..THANKS VERY MUCH.

I basically agree cods, but you can't underestimate the impact of the lie itself. Most people I've spoken to are just as angry, some even more so, about the lie itself, as they are about the tax in general.

Gillard just cannot be trusted. Whether or not you believe that climate change us real is not the point here.people are just fed up wither perpetual lying. Of course many of her failed policies, like border patrol and the carbon tax themselves are to blame for Labor's dire polling.

It's not that they've failed to gain votes from the swingers like me, but they've even lost a fair amount of their hardcore base.

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Reply #21 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 11:48am

john_g wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 11:41am:

cods wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 4:34am:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2012 at 6:24pm:

I hope your going to enjoy Abbotts gift to the nation..a long long long recession.

they will inherit a mess and well you know it if all this is true and it does happen.. in my mind it will be JOB loses..everywhere we go jobs are going..this govt had ploughed millions into the car industry and for what good.. seems like they did no forward thinking.as far as just last Jan they ploughed more in..telling us they were saving jobs.. what a lie a devastating lie to all those with the axe hanging over their heads and not much more for those that are still there they would all be thinking.. HOW LONG HAVE WE GOT..

your job may well be safe I dont know where you work.. but believe me its cruel what is happening in a country that we keep getting told is fantastic ahs the world best economy...over and over... yeah tell that to the families that have nowhere to turn..

I do not say Abbott will turn all that around but by golly the Libs didnt start this avalanche and its time some of you lefties began to admit that..

it wont be Abbotts gift it will be the remnants from the Labor Green alliance.

I dont recall the word RECESSION being used once when Howard was in.. then rudd and gillard did their level best to start one.. and well as you can see they achieved it..THANKS VERY MUCH.

I basically agree cods, but you can't underestimate the impact of the lie itself. Most people I've spoken to are just as angry, some even more so, about the lie itself, as they are about the tax in general.

Gillard just cannot be trusted. Whether or not you believe that climate change us real is not the point here.people are just fed up wither perpetual lying. Of course many of her failed policies, like border patrol and the carbon tax themselves are to blame for Labor's dire polling.

It's not that they've failed to gain votes from the swingers like me, but they've even lost a fair amount of their hardcore base.

So how is NZ?

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Re: Labor's internal polling numbers
Reply #22 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 11:49am

john_g wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 11:41am:

cods wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 4:34am:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2012 at 6:24pm:

I hope your going to enjoy Abbotts gift to the nation..a long long long recession.

they will inherit a mess and well you know it if all this is true and it does happen.. in my mind it will be JOB loses..everywhere we go jobs are going..this govt had ploughed millions into the car industry and for what good.. seems like they did no forward thinking.as far as just last Jan they ploughed more in..telling us they were saving jobs.. what a lie a devastating lie to all those with the axe hanging over their heads and not much more for those that are still there they would all be thinking.. HOW LONG HAVE WE GOT..

your job may well be safe I dont know where you work.. but believe me its cruel what is happening in a country that we keep getting told is fantastic ahs the world best economy...over and over... yeah tell that to the families that have nowhere to turn..

I do not say Abbott will turn all that around but by golly the Libs didnt start this avalanche and its time some of you lefties began to admit that..

it wont be Abbotts gift it will be the remnants from the Labor Green alliance.

I dont recall the word RECESSION being used once when Howard was in.. then rudd and gillard did their level best to start one.. and well as you can see they achieved it..THANKS VERY MUCH.

I basically agree cods, but you can't underestimate the impact of the lie itself. Most people I've spoken to are just as angry, some even more so, about the lie itself, as they are about the tax in general.

Gillard just cannot be trusted. Whether or not you believe that climate change us real is not the point here.people are just fed up wither perpetual lying. Of course many of her failed policies, like border patrol and the carbon tax themselves are to blame for Labor's dire polling.

It's not that they've failed to gain votes from the swingers like me, but they've even lost a fair amount of their hardcore base.

you're really that angry about a politician lieing? why? where did you grow up in a tent in the middle of the great sandy desert? politicians have been lieing to their constituents for centuries ..every single PM or world leader has lied about something or other (by the way, its not a lie, its a broken promise, but thats another issue) ... at least Gillard had a sound reason for changing her mind ...

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Reply #23 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 12:22pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 11:49am:

john_g wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 11:41am:

cods wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 4:34am:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2012 at 6:24pm:

I hope your going to enjoy Abbotts gift to the nation..a long long long recession.

they will inherit a mess and well you know it if all this is true and it does happen.. in my mind it will be JOB loses..everywhere we go jobs are going..this govt had ploughed millions into the car industry and for what good.. seems like they did no forward thinking.as far as just last Jan they ploughed more in..telling us they were saving jobs.. what a lie a devastating lie to all those with the axe hanging over their heads and not much more for those that are still there they would all be thinking.. HOW LONG HAVE WE GOT..

your job may well be safe I dont know where you work.. but believe me its cruel what is happening in a country that we keep getting told is fantastic ahs the world best economy...over and over... yeah tell that to the families that have nowhere to turn..

I do not say Abbott will turn all that around but by golly the Libs didnt start this avalanche and its time some of you lefties began to admit that..

it wont be Abbotts gift it will be the remnants from the Labor Green alliance.

I dont recall the word RECESSION being used once when Howard was in.. then rudd and gillard did their level best to start one.. and well as you can see they achieved it..THANKS VERY MUCH.

I basically agree cods, but you can't underestimate the impact of the lie itself. Most people I've spoken to are just as angry, some even more so, about the lie itself, as they are about the tax in general.

Gillard just cannot be trusted. Whether or not you believe that climate change us real is not the point here.people are just fed up wither perpetual lying. Of course many of her failed policies, like border patrol and the carbon tax themselves are to blame for Labor's dire polling.

It's not that they've failed to gain votes from the swingers like me, but they've even lost a fair amount of their hardcore base.

you're really that angry about a politician lieing? why? where did you grow up in a tent in the middle of the great sandy desert? politicians have been lieing to their constituents for centuries ..every single PM or world leader has lied about something or other (by the way, its not a lie, its a broken promise, but thats another issue) ... at least Gillard had a sound reason for changing her mind ...

Yes, it was a lie.

So, do you follow the logic of "two wrongs make a right"? Just because others may do it, it doesn't make it right, and no other PM to my memory has made a lie of such a magnitude.

Sound reason for changing her mind? You mean self-interest and power at any cost?

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Reply #24 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 12:24pm

Gist wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 11:48am:

john_g wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 11:41am:

cods wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 4:34am:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2012 at 6:24pm:

I hope your going to enjoy Abbotts gift to the nation..a long long long recession.

they will inherit a mess and well you know it if all this is true and it does happen.. in my mind it will be JOB loses..everywhere we go jobs are going..this govt had ploughed millions into the car industry and for what good.. seems like they did no forward thinking.as far as just last Jan they ploughed more in..telling us they were saving jobs.. what a lie a devastating lie to all those with the axe hanging over their heads and not much more for those that are still there they would all be thinking.. HOW LONG HAVE WE GOT..

your job may well be safe I dont know where you work.. but believe me its cruel what is happening in a country that we keep getting told is fantastic ahs the world best economy...over and over... yeah tell that to the families that have nowhere to turn..

I do not say Abbott will turn all that around but by golly the Libs didnt start this avalanche and its time some of you lefties began to admit that..

it wont be Abbotts gift it will be the remnants from the Labor Green alliance.

I dont recall the word RECESSION being used once when Howard was in.. then rudd and gillard did their level best to start one.. and well as you can see they achieved it..THANKS VERY MUCH.

I basically agree cods, but you can't underestimate the impact of the lie itself. Most people I've spoken to are just as angry, some even more so, about the lie itself, as they are about the tax in general.

Gillard just cannot be trusted. Whether or not you believe that climate change us real is not the point here.people are just fed up wither perpetual lying. Of course many of her failed policies, like border patrol and the carbon tax themselves are to blame for Labor's dire polling.

It's not that they've failed to gain votes from the swingers like me, but they've even lost a fair amount of their hardcore base.

So how is NZ?

Pretty nice, from my experience. I haven't been there since I was 27, though, 14 years ago.

Why do you ask?

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Reply #25 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 12:34pm

john_g wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 12:22pm:

You mean self-interest and power at any cost?

Do you numb nuts actually understand that politics is about power?
Do you really think Abbott was sitting back saying"Well if I can be of use just let me know"
He was negotiating as aggressively as anyone.
1 Billion dollars worth of our money to a hospital at the arse end of the world thats lucky to service 30,000 people.

You know WHY he didn't get the nod, because everyone knew he was a lying prick.
Our elected representatives are charged with forming a government that will last the term, they did this.
It's not Gillard's fault Tony is as transparent as glass.

Oh & would you be accusing Abbott of power for powers sake had they gone with him, no of course not, your hypocrisy noes no bounds.

The next election is getting close, how about forgetting about Gillard & promoting your mans ideas & how he will achieve them?
Oh again that's right he has none & you fools don't care.

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Reply #26 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 12:38pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 12:34pm:

john_g wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 12:22pm:

You mean self-interest and power at any cost?

Do you numb nuts actually understand that politics is about power?
Do you really think Abbott was sitting back saying"Well if I can be of use just let me know"
He was negotiating as aggressively as anyone.
1 Billion dollars worth of our money to a hospital at the arse end of the world thats lucky to service 30,000 people.

You know WHY he didn't get the nod, because everyone knew he was a lying prick.
Our elected representatives are charged with forming a government that will last the term, they did this.
It's not Gillard's fault Tony is as transparent as glass.

Oh & would you be accusing Abbott of power for powers sake had they gone with him, no of course not, your hypocrisy noes no bounds.

The next election is getting close, how about forgetting about Gillard & promoting your mans ideas & how he will achieve them?
Oh again that's right he has none & you fools don't care.

I know all of this, and how many times do I need to say that I don't like either.

If Abbott were in, I would probably be saying the same things about him. But he isn't, Gillard is, and she lied, and I am not putting up with that.

It's not that I want Abbott in, it's that I want her out. You of all people, smithy, I thought would understand that it's not always either/or.

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Reply #27 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 1:11pm

john_g wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 12:38pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 12:34pm:

john_g wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 12:22pm:

You mean self-interest and power at any cost?

Do you numb nuts actually understand that politics is about power?
Do you really think Abbott was sitting back saying"Well if I can be of use just let me know"
He was negotiating as aggressively as anyone.
1 Billion dollars worth of our money to a hospital at the arse end of the world thats lucky to service 30,000 people.

You know WHY he didn't get the nod, because everyone knew he was a lying prick.
Our elected representatives are charged with forming a government that will last the term, they did this.
It's not Gillard's fault Tony is as transparent as glass.

Oh & would you be accusing Abbott of power for powers sake had they gone with him, no of course not, your hypocrisy noes no bounds.

The next election is getting close, how about forgetting about Gillard & promoting your mans ideas & how he will achieve them?
Oh again that's right he has none & you fools don't care.

I know all of this, and how many times do I need to say that I don't like either.

If Abbott were in, I would probably be saying the same things about him. But he isn't, Gillard is, and she lied, and I am not putting up with that.

It's not that I want Abbott in, it's that I want her out. You of all people, smithy, I thought would understand that it's not always either/or.

In a 2 party state John it is very much a case of either or.
All this hand wringing over lies is a weak diversion but seems it strong enough to distract most simple minded Aussies.

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Reply #28 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 1:16pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 12:34pm:

john_g wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 12:22pm:

You mean self-interest and power at any cost?

Do you numb nuts actually understand that politics is about power?
Do you really think Abbott was sitting back saying"Well if I can be of use just let me know"
He was negotiating as aggressively as anyone.
1 Billion dollars worth of our money to a hospital at the arse end of the world thats lucky to service 30,000 people.

You know WHY he didn't get the nod, because everyone knew he was a lying prick.
Our elected representatives are charged with forming a government that will last the term, they did this.
It's not Gillard's fault Tony is as transparent as glass.

Oh & would you be accusing Abbott of power for powers sake had they gone with him, no of course not, your hypocrisy noes no bounds.

The next election is getting close, how about forgetting about Gillard & promoting your mans ideas & how he will achieve them?
Oh again that's right he has none & you fools don't care.

Gillard sold all her promises and all her principles for power. do we really have to applaud that? yes, pollies seek power, but not all of them would sell their soul for it. Trouble is, Gillard would sell OURS for it as well.

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Reply #29 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 1:18pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 1:11pm:

john_g wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 12:38pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 12:34pm:

john_g wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 12:22pm:

You mean self-interest and power at any cost?

Do you numb nuts actually understand that politics is about power?
Do you really think Abbott was sitting back saying"Well if I can be of use just let me know"
He was negotiating as aggressively as anyone.
1 Billion dollars worth of our money to a hospital at the arse end of the world thats lucky to service 30,000 people.

You know WHY he didn't get the nod, because everyone knew he was a lying prick.
Our elected representatives are charged with forming a government that will last the term, they did this.
It's not Gillard's fault Tony is as transparent as glass.

Oh & would you be accusing Abbott of power for powers sake had they gone with him, no of course not, your hypocrisy noes no bounds.

The next election is getting close, how about forgetting about Gillard & promoting your mans ideas & how he will achieve them?
Oh again that's right he has none & you fools don't care.

I know all of this, and how many times do I need to say that I don't like either.

If Abbott were in, I would probably be saying the same things about him. But he isn't, Gillard is, and she lied, and I am not putting up with that.

It's not that I want Abbott in, it's that I want her out. You of all people, smithy, I thought would understand that it's not always either/or.

In a 2 party state John it is very much a case of either or.
All this hand wringing over lies is a weak diversion but seems it strong enough to distract most simple minded Aussies.

That's because most people keep voting for the two parties.

I don't like being lied to, regardless of which of the two parties does it. I just want Gillard and Labor gone.

Of course that means a Coalition government, and I don't have high hopes at all for this Opposition, but I'll give Abbott a go any day over Gillard. Lesser of two evils, or perhaps more 'unknown of two evils.

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