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Re: Labor's internal polling numbers
Reply #30 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 1:19pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 1:16pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 12:34pm:

john_g wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 12:22pm:

You mean self-interest and power at any cost?

Do you numb nuts actually understand that politics is about power?
Do you really think Abbott was sitting back saying"Well if I can be of use just let me know"
He was negotiating as aggressively as anyone.
1 Billion dollars worth of our money to a hospital at the arse end of the world thats lucky to service 30,000 people.

You know WHY he didn't get the nod, because everyone knew he was a lying prick.
Our elected representatives are charged with forming a government that will last the term, they did this.
It's not Gillard's fault Tony is as transparent as glass.

Oh & would you be accusing Abbott of power for powers sake had they gone with him, no of course not, your hypocrisy noes no bounds.

The next election is getting close, how about forgetting about Gillard & promoting your mans ideas & how he will achieve them?
Oh again that's right he has none & you fools don't care.

Gillard sold all her promises and all her principles for power. do we really have to applaud that? yes, pollies seek power, but not all of them would sell their soul for it. Trouble is, Gillard would sell OURS for it as well.

I don't know if there's even a limit on what this evil sociopath would do for power.

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Reply #31 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 1:25pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 1:16pm:

Gillard sold all her promises and all her principles for power. do we really have to applaud that? yes, pollies seek power, but not all of them would sell their soul for it. Trouble is, Gillard would sell OURS for it as well.

Other than the CT what else has she sold you out on?

john_g wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 1:19pm:

I don't know if there's even a limit on what this evil sociopath would do for power.

Yeah nothing like hyperbole to keep the home fires burning.

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Reply #32 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 1:29pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 1:25pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 1:16pm:

Gillard sold all her promises and all her principles for power. do we really have to applaud that? yes, pollies seek power, but not all of them would sell their soul for it. Trouble is, Gillard would sell OURS for it as well.

Other than the CT what else has she sold you out on?

john_g wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 1:19pm:

I don't know if there's even a limit on what this evil sociopath would do for power.

Yeah nothing like hyperbole to keep the home fires burning.

you want more

and the CT is not a small white lie is it?

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Reply #33 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 1:35pm

Maqqa wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 1:29pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 1:25pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 1:16pm:

Gillard sold all her promises and all her principles for power. do we really have to applaud that? yes, pollies seek power, but not all of them would sell their soul for it. Trouble is, Gillard would sell OURS for it as well.

Other than the CT what else has she sold you out on?

john_g wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 1:19pm:

I don't know if there's even a limit on what this evil sociopath would do for power.

Yeah nothing like hyperbole to keep the home fires burning.

you want more

and the CT is not a small white lie is it?

Yes longy saying she sold out everything, other than CT I really cant think of anything else, expand my mind or admit you've got nothing.

Small/White, Massive/Black big deal we could even go Core/Non Core, maybe that's how Labor should have handled it,
"Well it was a non core promise"

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REBELLION is when you turn off the TV & start educating & thinking for yourself.
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Re: Labor's internal polling numbers
Reply #34 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 2:33pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 11:12am:

skippy. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 9:05am:

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islands havent sunk overnight

Islands in the pacific ocean are and have been sinking ,cods, I really dont know where you get your information from, but its wrong. Roll Eyes

The islands are sinking because they are coral attols- as they've always done - rise and fall. the sea however is not rising.

I'm glad I'm not arrogant enough to think I know more than the overwhelming majority of the science community. Roll Eyes

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Reply #35 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 2:45pm

skippy. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 2:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 11:12am:

skippy. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 9:05am:

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islands havent sunk overnight

Islands in the pacific ocean are and have been sinking ,cods, I really dont know where you get your information from, but its wrong. Roll Eyes

The islands are sinking because they are coral attols- as they've always done - rise and fall. the sea however is not rising.

I'm glad I'm not arrogant enough to think I know more than the overwhelming majority of the science community. Roll Eyes

I beg to differ.

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Reply #36 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 3:50pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 2:45pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 2:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 11:12am:

skippy. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 9:05am:

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islands havent sunk overnight

Islands in the pacific ocean are and have been sinking ,cods, I really dont know where you get your information from, but its wrong. Roll Eyes

The islands are sinking because they are coral attols- as they've always done - rise and fall. the sea however is not rising.

I'm glad I'm not arrogant enough to think I know more than the overwhelming majority of the science community. Roll Eyes

Maybe you are,andria, but I wouldn't try and say I knew more than a scientific expert, like long weekend is saying.

I beg to differ.

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Reply #37 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 3:54pm

Maqqa wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 1:29pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 1:25pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 1:16pm:

Gillard sold all her promises and all her principles for power. do we really have to applaud that? yes, pollies seek power, but not all of them would sell their soul for it. Trouble is, Gillard would sell OURS for it as well.

Other than the CT what else has she sold you out on?

john_g wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 1:19pm:

I don't know if there's even a limit on what this evil sociopath would do for power.

Yeah nothing like hyperbole to keep the home fires burning.

you want more

and the CT is not a small white lie is it?

Abbott said it was the best way to tackle climate change and carbon pollution..was he lying?

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Re: Labor's internal polling numbers
Reply #38 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 4:13pm

adelcrow wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 3:54pm:

Maqqa wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 1:29pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 1:25pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 1:16pm:

Gillard sold all her promises and all her principles for power. do we really have to applaud that? yes, pollies seek power, but not all of them would sell their soul for it. Trouble is, Gillard would sell OURS for it as well.

Other than the CT what else has she sold you out on?

john_g wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 1:19pm:

I don't know if there's even a limit on what this evil sociopath would do for power.

Yeah nothing like hyperbole to keep the home fires burning.

you want more

and the CT is not a small white lie is it?

Abbott said it was the best way to tackle climate change and carbon pollution..was he lying?

Was Julia Gillard lying when she said there would be no carbon tax under a Government she leads?
Or does she not lead this Government?

Was Nicola Roxon lying when she said plans to remove the private health rebate was mere Liberal scaremongering?
Or was she unaware Wayne Swan had plans then to remove it for millions of Australians?

It's all about perspective isn't it?

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Labor's internal polling numbers Reply #39 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 4:28pm I see, in Andrei's world it is ok to lie because in his mind someone else did.
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Re: Labor's internal polling numbers
Reply #40 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 4:34pm

Nope I just think when you have so many biased people on here they tend to just view one side.

Everything Abbott does is wrong with some of you, and you seem completely happy to ignore some of the other things people do.

If I recall right, you thought it would be funny if that Dobell guy who bangs hookers gets off, just so the Government teeters on for a few more months?
Irrelevant of the fact the poorest workers in Australia were ripped off?

It's about seeing both sides, like I can.

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john_g Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1549 Gender:	Re: Labor's internal polling numbers Reply #41 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 5:12pm Andrei, I too am sick of the blatant bias and double standard that the vast majority of posters have on here. That goes for bohe Liberal and Labor and Green supporters. Posters who can judge things objectively from all sides are few and far between.
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Reply #42 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 5:43pm

john_g wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 5:12pm:

Andrei, I too am sick of the blatant bias and double standard that the vast majority of posters have on here.

That goes for bohe Liberal and Labor and Green supporters. Posters who can judge things objectively from all sides are few and far between.

You must get a clear view from NZ. All those tall mountains and crisp, clean air. Can you see Russia from there?

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Reply #43 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 6:01pm

Gist wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 5:43pm:

john_g wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 5:12pm:

Andrei, I too am sick of the blatant bias and double standard that the vast majority of posters have on here.

That goes for bohe Liberal and Labor and Green supporters. Posters who can judge things objectively from all sides are few and far between.

You must get a clear view from NZ. All those tall mountains and crisp, clean air. Can you see Russia from there?

i wonder if he see Andrei in the Fitzroy internet cafe he uses after someone drops a dollar in his hat after a rendition of "Daydream Believer"?

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Re: Labor's internal polling numbers
Reply #44 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 7:42pm

skippy. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 2:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 11:12am:

skippy. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 9:05am:

Quote:

islands havent sunk overnight

Islands in the pacific ocean are and have been sinking ,cods, I really dont know where you get your information from, but its wrong. Roll Eyes

The islands are sinking because they are coral attols- as they've always done - rise and fall. the sea however is not rising.

I'm glad I'm not arrogant enough to think I know more than the overwhelming majority of the science community. Roll Eyes

In the last century, the overwhelming majority of scientists believed in the 'ether' as well as thinking Einstein was wrong.

Consensus does not equal correctness. it merely increases the probability of being correct without actually offering anything tangible to add to the debate. Scienctific history is littered with examples of 'crackpot theories' that were rejected by their peers and now stand as pillars of their respective discipline.

You can either believe the herd and follow like lemmings off a cliff or you can use your own brain and assess the evidence yourself. The main evidence in existence is the failure of the consensus opinion to ever be accurate in any model, any prediction or in any way show their climate hypotheses to any more than educated guesses.

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