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Re: Labor's internal polling numbers
Reply #45 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 8:03pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 7:42pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 2:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 11:12am:

skippy. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 9:05am:

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islands havent sunk overnight

Islands in the pacific ocean are and have been sinking ,cods, I really dont know where you get your information from, but its wrong. Roll Eyes

The islands are sinking because they are coral attols- as they've always done - rise and fall. the sea however is not rising.

I'm glad I'm not arrogant enough to think I know more than the overwhelming majority of the science community. Roll Eyes

In the last century, the overwhelming majority of scientists believed in the 'ether' as well as thinking Einstein was wrong.

Consensus does not equal correctness. it merely increases the probability of being correct without actually offering anything tangible to add to the debate. Scienctific history is littered with examples of 'crackpot theories' that were rejected by their peers and now stand as pillars of their respective discipline.

You can either believe the herd and follow like lemmings off a cliff or you can use your own brain and assess the evidence yourself. The main evidence in existence is the failure of the consensus opinion to ever be accurate in any model, any prediction or in any way show their climate hypotheses to any more than educated guesses.

Sooo.... you think the "ether" theory is correct. You'd better come up with some pretty stunning proof.

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Re: Labor's internal polling numbers
Reply #46 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 8:14pm

john_g wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 5:12pm:

Andrei, I too am sick of the blatant bias and double standard that the vast majority of posters have on here.

That goes for bohe Liberal and Labor and Green supporters. Posters who can judge things objectively from all sides are few and far between.

People who don't think like you are biased.

Got it.

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Reply #47 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 8:24pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 4:34pm:

Nope I just think when you have so many biased people on here they tend to just view one side.

Everything Abbott does is wrong with some of you, and you seem completely happy to ignore some of the other things people do.

If I recall right, you thought it would be funny if that Dobell guy who bangs hookers gets off, just so the Government teeters on for a few more months?
Irrelevant of the fact the poorest workers in Australia were ripped off?

It's about seeing both sides, like I can.

Without getting into any discussion about how many sides you see, I agree that the vast majority of people have fixed ideas about who is Good, Bad & Ugly in Politics & for the vast majority people, those fixed ideas are not likely to change, no matter what happens!

I'm also sure that Abbott is not a complete fool & he does do somethings, where even I would agree with him & I have done so, although rarely.

That said, my opinion of Abbott is quite low, as is my opinion of Julia Gillard and 99% of all Politicians.

So, I suppose it could also be said that I to am biased, as I don't think hardly any of them are worth what they are paid.

In fact, I would go as far as to say, that almost all Politicians, in terms of value to the Public, would struggle to be worth 2 nobs of Goat excreta.

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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Labor's internal polling numbers Reply #48 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 8:34pm Labor should never had cut Rudd off and make out like it never happened and that he was nothing he doesnt even need their love but they treat him like a stranger and that must feel so ruff
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Re: Labor's internal polling numbers
Reply #49 - Aug 4^th, 2012 at 9:04am

Gist wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 8:03pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 7:42pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 2:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 11:12am:

skippy. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 9:05am:

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islands havent sunk overnight

Islands in the pacific ocean are and have been sinking ,cods, I really dont know where you get your information from, but its wrong. Roll Eyes

The islands are sinking because they are coral attols- as they've always done - rise and fall. the sea however is not rising.

I'm glad I'm not arrogant enough to think I know more than the overwhelming majority of the science community. Roll Eyes

In the last century, the overwhelming majority of scientists believed in the 'ether' as well as thinking Einstein was wrong.

Consensus does not equal correctness. it merely increases the probability of being correct without actually offering anything tangible to add to the debate. Scienctific history is littered with examples of 'crackpot theories' that were rejected by their peers and now stand as pillars of their respective discipline.

You can either believe the herd and follow like lemmings off a cliff or you can use your own brain and assess the evidence yourself. The main evidence in existence is the failure of the consensus opinion to ever be accurate in any model, any prediction or in any way show their climate hypotheses to any more than educated guesses.

Sooo.... you think the "ether" theory is correct. You'd better come up with some pretty stunning proof.

How did you get from my post to this stunning inability to understand what was said. The ether theory was a ridiculous one - even then. A high School student could debunk it but it was accepted by physicists in a consensus form. and they were wrong - and obviously so. Concensus is not an alternative to being right.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Labor's internal polling numbers Reply #50 - Aug 4^th, 2012 at 9:28am Looks like Labor are doing as well as your Olympic team. New Zealand has 2 more gold medals than you do.
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gold_medal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3897 Gender:	Re: Labor's internal polling numbers Reply #51 - Aug 4^th, 2012 at 9:33am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 9:28am: Looks like Labor are doing as well as your Olympic team. New Zealand has 2 more gold medals than you do. point? If the measure of a country is olympic gold then we are in trouble, but not as much as the person that thinks it IS a measure worth considering.
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Labor's internal polling numbers Reply #52 - Aug 4^th, 2012 at 9:38am National pride is always worth measuring. Particularly when Aussies have spent the best part of a decade loud mouthing it around London.
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Reply #53 - Aug 4^th, 2012 at 9:45am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 9:38am:

National pride is always worth measuring.

Particularly when Aussies have spent the best part of a decade loud mouthing it around London.

I try and give Aussies a wide berth when Im overseas..most of them are an embarrassment to themselves and Australia so its no wonder the rest of the world cheers when they come unstuck

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Reply #54 - Aug 4^th, 2012 at 9:46am

adelcrow wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 9:45am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 9:38am:

National pride is always worth measuring.

Particularly when Aussies have spent the best part of a decade loud mouthing it around London.

I try and give Aussies a wide berth when Im overseas..most of them are an embarrassment to themselves and Australia so its no wonder the rest of the world cheers when they come unstuck

I would put forward it's probably a very significant reason behind New Zealand's attitude on Australia.

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Re: Labor's internal polling numbers
Reply #55 - Aug 4^th, 2012 at 9:56am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 9:46am:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 9:45am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 9:38am:

National pride is always worth measuring.

Particularly when Aussies have spent the best part of a decade loud mouthing it around London.

I try and give Aussies a wide berth when Im overseas..most of them are an embarrassment to themselves and Australia so its no wonder the rest of the world cheers when they come unstuck

I would put forward it's probably a very significant reason behind New Zealand's attitude on Australia.

The sad thing is its getting worse..

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Re: Labor's internal polling numbers
Reply #56 - Aug 4^th, 2012 at 10:04am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 9:38am:

National pride is always worth measuring.

Particularly when Aussies have spent the best part of a decade loud mouthing it around London.

national pride needs to be measured in more ways than gold medals. in fact, gold medals are a worthless measurement of anything other than an individuals performance. Genuine National pride is an aggregated measure (look it up). Anything else is bread and circuses.

Id rather live in a country of strong economics and harmonious inner relationships than a bankrupt, riven society on the verge of social and economic collapse. A few (or even a lot of) gold medals would never change that.

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Reply #57 - Aug 4^th, 2012 at 10:06am

gold_medal wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 10:04am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 9:38am:

National pride is always worth measuring.

Particularly when Aussies have spent the best part of a decade loud mouthing it around London.

national pride needs to be measured in more ways than gold medals. in fact, gold medals are a worthless measurement of anything other than an individuals performance. Genuine National pride is an aggregated measure (look it up). Anything else is bread and circuses.

Id rather live in a country of strong economics and harmonious inner relationships than a bankrupt, riven society on the verge of social and economic collapse. A few (or even a lot of) gold medals would never change that.

That doesn't change the fact the most Aussies act like dickheads when they leave these shores.

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Re: Labor's internal polling numbers
Reply #58 - Aug 4^th, 2012 at 12:51pm

adelcrow wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 10:06am:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 10:04am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 9:38am:

National pride is always worth measuring.

Particularly when Aussies have spent the best part of a decade loud mouthing it around London.

national pride needs to be measured in more ways than gold medals. in fact, gold medals are a worthless measurement of anything other than an individuals performance. Genuine National pride is an aggregated measure (look it up). Anything else is bread and circuses.

Id rather live in a country of strong economics and harmonious inner relationships than a bankrupt, riven society on the verge of social and economic collapse. A few (or even a lot of) gold medals would never change that.

That doesn't change the fact the most Aussies act like dickheads when they leave these shores.

And if that were even remotely related to the original OP or even the tangential topic it might be a debatable point. For now, it sounds like you wanted a whinge. Well you got on. feel better now?

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Re: Labor's internal polling numbers
Reply #59 - Aug 4^th, 2012 at 6:33pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 9:04am:

Gist wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 8:03pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 7:42pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 2:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 11:12am:

skippy. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 9:05am:

Quote:

islands havent sunk overnight

Islands in the pacific ocean are and have been sinking ,cods, I really dont know where you get your information from, but its wrong. Roll Eyes

The islands are sinking because they are coral attols- as they've always done - rise and fall. the sea however is not rising.

I'm glad I'm not arrogant enough to think I know more than the overwhelming majority of the science community. Roll Eyes

In the last century, the overwhelming majority of scientists believed in the 'ether' as well as thinking Einstein was wrong.

Consensus does not equal correctness. it merely increases the probability of being correct without actually offering anything tangible to add to the debate. Scienctific history is littered with examples of 'crackpot theories' that were rejected by their peers and now stand as pillars of their respective discipline.

You can either believe the herd and follow like lemmings off a cliff or you can use your own brain and assess the evidence yourself. The main evidence in existence is the failure of the consensus opinion to ever be accurate in any model, any prediction or in any way show their climate hypotheses to any more than educated guesses.

Sooo.... you think the "ether" theory is correct. You'd better come up with some pretty stunning proof.

How did you get from my post to this stunning inability to understand what was said. The ether theory was a ridiculous one - even then. A high School student could debunk it but it was accepted by physicists in a consensus form. and they were wrong - and obviously so. Concensus is not an alternative to being right.

Well let me explain it to you given as you're so slow.

It's an alternative theory. And according to YOU, we can't throw out alternative theories no matter HOW many people debunk them. After all, that's a consensus position. So YOU are stuck with believing the ether theory despite it being ridiculous. Therefore you believe in the ether theory.

As far as I'm concerned, that's a pretty stupid thing for you to believe in really, but there you are.

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