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Re: Labor's internal polling numbers
Reply #60 - Aug 4th, 2012 at 6:54pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:38am:
National pride is always worth measuring.


Like $40 million of taxpayer money for every gold medal earned over the last 20 years?

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$40 million: it’s how much each gold medal costs us
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How much support  — financial, medical, coaching, training  — would you need to reach the pinnacle of your profession? If you are an athlete in Australia, then about $40 million. That is a conservative estimate of what each Olympic gold medal in the last 20 years has cost Australian taxpayers.

Tamsyn Lewis may be fed up with running against all those alleged drug cheats. But let’s spare a thought for the countless athletes around the world who will never get to compete at the Olympics and never have the chance to complain that it isn’t fair. The “level” playing field in sport is as shonky as China’s promise to allow media freedom.

Sport, especially at the elite level, is not fair, has never been fair and will never be fair. Global inequality is mirrored in the medal tally rankings. Elite sport long ago moved away from the amateur athlete, training in their spare time with a non-professional coach. It is now an industry, with athletes merely being the sharp point of a massive sporting-industrial-medical complex that trains, tests, tweaks and manipulates the athlete almost to death. And this of course requires a lot of money. If you are from a poor nation then your only hope is to be lucky enough to get noticed by a rich one, then you can sell out your country of origin and sign up for them.

At a global level there is a simple reason why African athletes perform well at track events, but not field events or swimming (no, its not just genetics) — it is because running requires very little in the way of material resources. Conversely, a single Olympic quality pole for pole vaulting costs at least US$500 (typically a vaulter would have a dozen poles which break quickly), to say nothing of the bar, uprights, pit, bags and run up track. Similarly, the capital investment and maintenance cost of an Olympic standard 50 metre pool is beyond the means of many countries, while our swimmers got a pool specifically built with bio-mechanical testing equipment embedded at a cost of $17 million.

Drugs do make a difference in sporting performance, but the difference is marginal if you are not already at the pinnacle of your sport. Of course, in the case of Tamsyn Lewis, who is 1.6 seconds off the world pace in the 400m, drugs might just help her claw a second or two from her time. But, she would not have even scraped into the Olympics if she had not been an Australian elite athlete  — with all the support that entails.

So the next time an elite athlete whines about it not being “fair”, ask them how many years of assistance they have got from the Australian public purse, how many coaches, physios and sports scientists helped them, how often they get special high altitude training at Thredbo, how many times their technique has been mapped and analysed at the AIS to micro-manage it. Let’s remember the other athletes, the ones not lucky enough to be born in a wealthy country obsessed with sporting success.
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Re: Labor's internal polling numbers
Reply #61 - Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:04pm
 
Gist wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 6:33pm:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:04am:
Gist wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 8:03pm:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 7:42pm:
skippy. wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 2:33pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 11:12am:
skippy. wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 9:05am:
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islands havent sunk overnight

Islands in the pacific ocean are and have been sinking ,cods, I really dont know where you get your information from, but its wrong. Roll Eyes


The islands are sinking because they are coral attols- as they've always done - rise and fall. the sea however is not rising.

I'm glad I'm not arrogant enough to think I know more than the overwhelming majority of the science community. Roll Eyes


In the last century, the overwhelming majority of scientists believed in the 'ether' as well as thinking Einstein was wrong.

Consensus does not equal correctness. it merely increases the probability of being correct without actually offering anything tangible to add to the debate. Scienctific history is littered with examples of 'crackpot theories' that were rejected by their peers and now stand as pillars of their respective discipline.

You can either believe the herd and follow like lemmings off a cliff or you can use your own brain and assess the evidence yourself. The main evidence in existence is the failure of the consensus opinion to ever be accurate in any model, any prediction or in any way show their climate hypotheses to any more than educated guesses.


Sooo.... you think the "ether" theory is correct. You'd better come up with some pretty stunning proof.


How did you get from my post to this stunning inability to understand what was said. The ether theory was a ridiculous one - even then. A high School student could debunk it but it was accepted by physicists in a consensus form. and they were wrong - and obviously so. Concensus is not an alternative to being right.


Well let me explain it to you given as you're so slow.

It's an alternative theory. And according to YOU, we can't throw out alternative theories no matter HOW many people debunk them. After all, that's a consensus position. So YOU are stuck with believing the ether theory despite it being ridiculous. Therefore you believe in the ether theory.

As far as I'm concerned, that's a pretty stupid thing for you to believe in really, but there you are.


Dont get a job trying to argue a position thru logic and fact. This post of yours is an embarrassment to your clearly limited ability to think.
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Re: Labor's internal polling numbers
Reply #62 - Aug 5th, 2012 at 10:08am
 
gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:04pm:
Gist wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 6:33pm:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:04am:
Gist wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 8:03pm:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 7:42pm:
skippy. wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 2:33pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 11:12am:
skippy. wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 9:05am:
Quote:
islands havent sunk overnight

Islands in the pacific ocean are and have been sinking ,cods, I really dont know where you get your information from, but its wrong. Roll Eyes


The islands are sinking because they are coral attols- as they've always done - rise and fall. the sea however is not rising.

I'm glad I'm not arrogant enough to think I know more than the overwhelming majority of the science community. Roll Eyes


In the last century, the overwhelming majority of scientists believed in the 'ether' as well as thinking Einstein was wrong.

Consensus does not equal correctness. it merely increases the probability of being correct without actually offering anything tangible to add to the debate. Scienctific history is littered with examples of 'crackpot theories' that were rejected by their peers and now stand as pillars of their respective discipline.

You can either believe the herd and follow like lemmings off a cliff or you can use your own brain and assess the evidence yourself. The main evidence in existence is the failure of the consensus opinion to ever be accurate in any model, any prediction or in any way show their climate hypotheses to any more than educated guesses.


Sooo.... you think the "ether" theory is correct. You'd better come up with some pretty stunning proof.


How did you get from my post to this stunning inability to understand what was said. The ether theory was a ridiculous one - even then. A high School student could debunk it but it was accepted by physicists in a consensus form. and they were wrong - and obviously so. Concensus is not an alternative to being right.


Well let me explain it to you given as you're so slow.

It's an alternative theory. And according to YOU, we can't throw out alternative theories no matter HOW many people debunk them. After all, that's a consensus position. So YOU are stuck with believing the ether theory despite it being ridiculous. Therefore you believe in the ether theory.

As far as I'm concerned, that's a pretty stupid thing for you to believe in really, but there you are.


Dont get a job trying to argue a position thru logic and fact. This post of yours is an embarrassment to your clearly limited ability to think.


Ah, so you acknowledge your position is a stupid, indefensible one? Well done then, you've made progress.
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Re: Labor's internal polling numbers
Reply #63 - Aug 5th, 2012 at 11:22am
 
Gist wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 10:08am:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:04pm:
Gist wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 6:33pm:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:04am:
Gist wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 8:03pm:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 7:42pm:
skippy. wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 2:33pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 11:12am:
skippy. wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 9:05am:
Quote:
islands havent sunk overnight

Islands in the pacific ocean are and have been sinking ,cods, I really dont know where you get your information from, but its wrong. Roll Eyes


The islands are sinking because they are coral attols- as they've always done - rise and fall. the sea however is not rising.

I'm glad I'm not arrogant enough to think I know more than the overwhelming majority of the science community. Roll Eyes


In the last century, the overwhelming majority of scientists believed in the 'ether' as well as thinking Einstein was wrong.

Consensus does not equal correctness. it merely increases the probability of being correct without actually offering anything tangible to add to the debate. Scienctific history is littered with examples of 'crackpot theories' that were rejected by their peers and now stand as pillars of their respective discipline.

You can either believe the herd and follow like lemmings off a cliff or you can use your own brain and assess the evidence yourself. The main evidence in existence is the failure of the consensus opinion to ever be accurate in any model, any prediction or in any way show their climate hypotheses to any more than educated guesses.


Sooo.... you think the "ether" theory is correct. You'd better come up with some pretty stunning proof.


How did you get from my post to this stunning inability to understand what was said. The ether theory was a ridiculous one - even then. A high School student could debunk it but it was accepted by physicists in a consensus form. and they were wrong - and obviously so. Concensus is not an alternative to being right.


Well let me explain it to you given as you're so slow.

It's an alternative theory. And according to YOU, we can't throw out alternative theories no matter HOW many people debunk them. After all, that's a consensus position. So YOU are stuck with believing the ether theory despite it being ridiculous. Therefore you believe in the ether theory.

As far as I'm concerned, that's a pretty stupid thing for you to believe in really, but there you are.


Dont get a job trying to argue a position thru logic and fact. This post of yours is an embarrassment to your clearly limited ability to think.


Ah, so you acknowledge your position is a stupid, indefensible one? Well done then, you've made progress.


Having a conversation with bananaman is a waste of time...we've all learnt over the years that abuse is the only tool in his bag.
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Re: Labor's internal polling numbers
Reply #64 - Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:17pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 11:22am:
Gist wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 10:08am:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:04pm:
Gist wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 6:33pm:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:04am:
Gist wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 8:03pm:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 7:42pm:
skippy. wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 2:33pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 11:12am:
skippy. wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 9:05am:
Quote:
islands havent sunk overnight

Islands in the pacific ocean are and have been sinking ,cods, I really dont know where you get your information from, but its wrong. Roll Eyes


The islands are sinking because they are coral attols- as they've always done - rise and fall. the sea however is not rising.

I'm glad I'm not arrogant enough to think I know more than the overwhelming majority of the science community. Roll Eyes


In the last century, the overwhelming majority of scientists believed in the 'ether' as well as thinking Einstein was wrong.

Consensus does not equal correctness. it merely increases the probability of being correct without actually offering anything tangible to add to the debate. Scienctific history is littered with examples of 'crackpot theories' that were rejected by their peers and now stand as pillars of their respective discipline.

You can either believe the herd and follow like lemmings off a cliff or you can use your own brain and assess the evidence yourself. The main evidence in existence is the failure of the consensus opinion to ever be accurate in any model, any prediction or in any way show their climate hypotheses to any more than educated guesses.


Sooo.... you think the "ether" theory is correct. You'd better come up with some pretty stunning proof.


How did you get from my post to this stunning inability to understand what was said. The ether theory was a ridiculous one - even then. A high School student could debunk it but it was accepted by physicists in a consensus form. and they were wrong - and obviously so. Concensus is not an alternative to being right.


Well let me explain it to you given as you're so slow.

It's an alternative theory. And according to YOU, we can't throw out alternative theories no matter HOW many people debunk them. After all, that's a consensus position. So YOU are stuck with believing the ether theory despite it being ridiculous. Therefore you believe in the ether theory.

As far as I'm concerned, that's a pretty stupid thing for you to believe in really, but there you are.


Dont get a job trying to argue a position thru logic and fact. This post of yours is an embarrassment to your clearly limited ability to think.


Ah, so you acknowledge your position is a stupid, indefensible one? Well done then, you've made progress.


Having a conversation with bananaman is a waste of time...we've all learnt over the years that abuse is the only tool in his bag.


Watching both of you slither around avoiding any argument and misinterpreting as much as possible, I understand why you dont debate with people. You clearly lack the understanding of how to make a coherent credible argument.
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Re: Labor's internal polling numbers
Reply #65 - Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:18pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:17pm:
adelcrow wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 11:22am:
Gist wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 10:08am:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:04pm:
Gist wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 6:33pm:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:04am:
Gist wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 8:03pm:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 7:42pm:
skippy. wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 2:33pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 11:12am:
skippy. wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 9:05am:
Quote:
islands havent sunk overnight

Islands in the pacific ocean are and have been sinking ,cods, I really dont know where you get your information from, but its wrong. Roll Eyes


The islands are sinking because they are coral attols- as they've always done - rise and fall. the sea however is not rising.

I'm glad I'm not arrogant enough to think I know more than the overwhelming majority of the science community. Roll Eyes


In the last century, the overwhelming majority of scientists believed in the 'ether' as well as thinking Einstein was wrong.

Consensus does not equal correctness. it merely increases the probability of being correct without actually offering anything tangible to add to the debate. Scienctific history is littered with examples of 'crackpot theories' that were rejected by their peers and now stand as pillars of their respective discipline.

You can either believe the herd and follow like lemmings off a cliff or you can use your own brain and assess the evidence yourself. The main evidence in existence is the failure of the consensus opinion to ever be accurate in any model, any prediction or in any way show their climate hypotheses to any more than educated guesses.


Sooo.... you think the "ether" theory is correct. You'd better come up with some pretty stunning proof.


How did you get from my post to this stunning inability to understand what was said. The ether theory was a ridiculous one - even then. A high School student could debunk it but it was accepted by physicists in a consensus form. and they were wrong - and obviously so. Concensus is not an alternative to being right.


Well let me explain it to you given as you're so slow.

It's an alternative theory. And according to YOU, we can't throw out alternative theories no matter HOW many people debunk them. After all, that's a consensus position. So YOU are stuck with believing the ether theory despite it being ridiculous. Therefore you believe in the ether theory.

As far as I'm concerned, that's a pretty stupid thing for you to believe in really, but there you are.


Dont get a job trying to argue a position thru logic and fact. This post of yours is an embarrassment to your clearly limited ability to think.


Ah, so you acknowledge your position is a stupid, indefensible one? Well done then, you've made progress.


Having a conversation with bananaman is a waste of time...we've all learnt over the years that abuse is the only tool in his bag.


Watching both of you slither around avoiding any argument and misinterpreting as much as possible, I understand why you dont debate with people. You clearly lack the understanding of how to make a coherent credible argument.


I havent seen you put any arguments forward yet
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Re: Labor's internal polling numbers
Reply #66 - Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:40pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:18pm:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:17pm:
adelcrow wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 11:22am:
Gist wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 10:08am:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:04pm:
Gist wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 6:33pm:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:04am:
Gist wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 8:03pm:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 7:42pm:
skippy. wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 2:33pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 11:12am:
skippy. wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 9:05am:
Quote:
islands havent sunk overnight

Islands in the pacific ocean are and have been sinking ,cods, I really dont know where you get your information from, but its wrong. Roll Eyes


The islands are sinking because they are coral attols- as they've always done - rise and fall. the sea however is not rising.

I'm glad I'm not arrogant enough to think I know more than the overwhelming majority of the science community. Roll Eyes


In the last century, the overwhelming majority of scientists believed in the 'ether' as well as thinking Einstein was wrong.

Consensus does not equal correctness. it merely increases the probability of being correct without actually offering anything tangible to add to the debate. Scienctific history is littered with examples of 'crackpot theories' that were rejected by their peers and now stand as pillars of their respective discipline.

You can either believe the herd and follow like lemmings off a cliff or you can use your own brain and assess the evidence yourself. The main evidence in existence is the failure of the consensus opinion to ever be accurate in any model, any prediction or in any way show their climate hypotheses to any more than educated guesses.


Sooo.... you think the "ether" theory is correct. You'd better come up with some pretty stunning proof.


How did you get from my post to this stunning inability to understand what was said. The ether theory was a ridiculous one - even then. A high School student could debunk it but it was accepted by physicists in a consensus form. and they were wrong - and obviously so. Concensus is not an alternative to being right.


Well let me explain it to you given as you're so slow.

It's an alternative theory. And according to YOU, we can't throw out alternative theories no matter HOW many people debunk them. After all, that's a consensus position. So YOU are stuck with believing the ether theory despite it being ridiculous. Therefore you believe in the ether theory.

As far as I'm concerned, that's a pretty stupid thing for you to believe in really, but there you are.


Dont get a job trying to argue a position thru logic and fact. This post of yours is an embarrassment to your clearly limited ability to think.


Ah, so you acknowledge your position is a stupid, indefensible one? Well done then, you've made progress.


Having a conversation with bananaman is a waste of time...we've all learnt over the years that abuse is the only tool in his bag.


Watching both of you slither around avoiding any argument and misinterpreting as much as possible, I understand why you dont debate with people. You clearly lack the understanding of how to make a coherent credible argument.


I havent seen you put any arguments forward yet


My argument was on the inherent weakness of 'consensus' as evidence. AS usual, it was lost in the rush of abuse by people who didnt understand the thrust of the argument.
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Re: Labor's internal polling numbers
Reply #67 - Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:54pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:40pm:
adelcrow wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:18pm:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:17pm:
adelcrow wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 11:22am:
Gist wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 10:08am:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:04pm:
Gist wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 6:33pm:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:04am:
Gist wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 8:03pm:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 7:42pm:
skippy. wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 2:33pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 11:12am:
skippy. wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 9:05am:
Quote:
islands havent sunk overnight

Islands in the pacific ocean are and have been sinking ,cods, I really dont know where you get your information from, but its wrong. Roll Eyes


The islands are sinking because they are coral attols- as they've always done - rise and fall. the sea however is not rising.

I'm glad I'm not arrogant enough to think I know more than the overwhelming majority of the science community. Roll Eyes


In the last century, the overwhelming majority of scientists believed in the 'ether' as well as thinking Einstein was wrong.

Consensus does not equal correctness. it merely increases the probability of being correct without actually offering anything tangible to add to the debate. Scienctific history is littered with examples of 'crackpot theories' that were rejected by their peers and now stand as pillars of their respective discipline.

You can either believe the herd and follow like lemmings off a cliff or you can use your own brain and assess the evidence yourself. The main evidence in existence is the failure of the consensus opinion to ever be accurate in any model, any prediction or in any way show their climate hypotheses to any more than educated guesses.


Sooo.... you think the "ether" theory is correct. You'd better come up with some pretty stunning proof.


How did you get from my post to this stunning inability to understand what was said. The ether theory was a ridiculous one - even then. A high School student could debunk it but it was accepted by physicists in a consensus form. and they were wrong - and obviously so. Concensus is not an alternative to being right.


Well let me explain it to you given as you're so slow.

It's an alternative theory. And according to YOU, we can't throw out alternative theories no matter HOW many people debunk them. After all, that's a consensus position. So YOU are stuck with believing the ether theory despite it being ridiculous. Therefore you believe in the ether theory.

As far as I'm concerned, that's a pretty stupid thing for you to believe in really, but there you are.


Dont get a job trying to argue a position thru logic and fact. This post of yours is an embarrassment to your clearly limited ability to think.


Ah, so you acknowledge your position is a stupid, indefensible one? Well done then, you've made progress.


Having a conversation with bananaman is a waste of time...we've all learnt over the years that abuse is the only tool in his bag.


Watching both of you slither around avoiding any argument and misinterpreting as much as possible, I understand why you dont debate with people. You clearly lack the understanding of how to make a coherent credible argument.


I havent seen you put any arguments forward yet


My argument was on the inherent weakness of 'consensus' as evidence. AS usual, it was lost in the rush of abuse by people who didnt understand the thrust of the argument.


The only abuse I've seen is from you. The only arguments I've seen haven't been from you. Let us know when you manage to think of one.

Maybe you could borrow one or something? Go out on the street, ask passers by. You never know your luck in the big city.
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Reply #68 - Aug 5th, 2012 at 4:13pm
 
This is an argument...

In the last century, the overwhelming majority of scientists believed in the 'ether' as well as thinking Einstein was wrong.

Consensus does not equal correctness. it merely increases the probability of being correct without actually offering anything tangible to add to the debate. Scienctific history is littered with examples of 'crackpot theories' that were rejected by their peers and now stand as pillars of their respective discipline.

You can either believe the herd and follow like lemmings off a cliff or you can use your own brain and assess the evidence yourself. The main evidence in existence is the failure of the consensus opinion to ever be accurate in any model, any prediction or in any way show their climate hypotheses to any more than educated guesses.


Now try and see if you can even understand it.
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Reply #69 - Aug 5th, 2012 at 6:04pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 4:13pm:
This is an argument...

In the last century, the overwhelming majority of scientists believed in the 'ether' as well as thinking Einstein was wrong.

Consensus does not equal correctness. it merely increases the probability of being correct without actually offering anything tangible to add to the debate. Scienctific history is littered with examples of 'crackpot theories' that were rejected by their peers and now stand as pillars of their respective discipline.

You can either believe the herd and follow like lemmings off a cliff or you can use your own brain and assess the evidence yourself. The main evidence in existence is the failure of the consensus opinion to ever be accurate in any model, any prediction or in any way show their climate hypotheses to any more than educated guesses.


Now try and see if you can even understand it.


Yeah, saw that rubbish. And this was my argument in response:

Gist wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 6:33pm:
Well let me explain it to you given as you're so slow.

It's an alternative theory. And according to YOU, we can't throw out alternative theories no matter HOW many people debunk them. After all, that's a consensus position. So YOU are stuck with believing the ether theory despite it being ridiculous. Therefore you believe in the ether theory.

As far as I'm concerned, that's a pretty stupid thing for you to believe in really, but there you are.


To which your reply was abuse which is hardly surprising from you. Maybe this time you could actually try reading it? I know it's hard and you have to sound the words out and everything but you really should try occasionally.
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Reply #70 - Aug 6th, 2012 at 2:05pm
 
Gist wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 6:04pm:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 4:13pm:
This is an argument...

In the last century, the overwhelming majority of scientists believed in the 'ether' as well as thinking Einstein was wrong.

Consensus does not equal correctness. it merely increases the probability of being correct without actually offering anything tangible to add to the debate. Scienctific history is littered with examples of 'crackpot theories' that were rejected by their peers and now stand as pillars of their respective discipline.

You can either believe the herd and follow like lemmings off a cliff or you can use your own brain and assess the evidence yourself. The main evidence in existence is the failure of the consensus opinion to ever be accurate in any model, any prediction or in any way show their climate hypotheses to any more than educated guesses.


Now try and see if you can even understand it.


Yeah, saw that rubbish. And this was my argument in response:

Gist wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 6:33pm:
Well let me explain it to you given as you're so slow.

It's an alternative theory. And according to YOU, we can't throw out alternative theories no matter HOW many people debunk them. After all, that's a consensus position. So YOU are stuck with believing the ether theory despite it being ridiculous. Therefore you believe in the ether theory.

As far as I'm concerned, that's a pretty stupid thing for you to believe in really, but there you are.


To which your reply was abuse which is hardly surprising from you. Maybe this time you could actually try reading it? I know it's hard and you have to sound the words out and everything but you really should try occasionally.


The illogic you used to come up with my support for the ether theory is what demonstrates your own problems. its pretty pointless debating with someone who just redefines, reinterprets or flat-out lies in response.
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Reply #71 - Aug 6th, 2012 at 3:04pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:04pm:
Dont get a job trying to argue a position thru logic and fact. This post of yours is an embarrassment to your clearly limited ability to think.


Gist wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 10:08am:
Ah, so you acknowledge your position is a stupid, indefensible one? Well done then, you've made progress.


gold_medal wrote on Aug 6th, 2012 at 2:05pm:
The illogic you used to come up with my support for the ether theory is what demonstrates your own problems. its pretty pointless debating with someone who just redefines, reinterprets or flat-out lies in response.


To which Gist of course says:
Ah, so you acknowledge your position is a stupid, indefensible one? Well done then, you've made progress.

FWIW, a smart man would have stopped the first time around the loop. And then there's you...

Let us know if you ever manage to find someone who can give you a basis for debate. Try and find a smart one though.
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Re: Labor's internal polling numbers
Reply #72 - Aug 6th, 2012 at 4:06pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Aug 6th, 2012 at 2:05pm:
Gist wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 6:04pm:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 4:13pm:
This is an argument...

In the last century, the overwhelming majority of scientists believed in the 'ether' as well as thinking Einstein was wrong.

Consensus does not equal correctness. it merely increases the probability of being correct without actually offering anything tangible to add to the debate. Scienctific history is littered with examples of 'crackpot theories' that were rejected by their peers and now stand as pillars of their respective discipline.

You can either believe the herd and follow like lemmings off a cliff or you can use your own brain and assess the evidence yourself. The main evidence in existence is the failure of the consensus opinion to ever be accurate in any model, any prediction or in any way show their climate hypotheses to any more than educated guesses.


Now try and see if you can even understand it.


Yeah, saw that rubbish. And this was my argument in response:

Gist wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 6:33pm:
Well let me explain it to you given as you're so slow.

It's an alternative theory. And according to YOU, we can't throw out alternative theories no matter HOW many people debunk them. After all, that's a consensus position. So YOU are stuck with believing the ether theory despite it being ridiculous. Therefore you believe in the ether theory.

As far as I'm concerned, that's a pretty stupid thing for you to believe in really, but there you are.


To which your reply was abuse which is hardly surprising from you. Maybe this time you could actually try reading it? I know it's hard and you have to sound the words out and everything but you really should try occasionally.


The illogic you used to come up with my support for the ether theory is what demonstrates your own problems. its pretty pointless debating with someone who just redefines, reinterprets or flat-out lies in response.

I know what you mean. We have a poster by the name of long weekend and he tells lies in every post he makes, very annoying, but most of us just laugh at him.  Cheesy
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Reply #73 - Aug 6th, 2012 at 9:30pm
 
Not a single seat in any of those four states? HA! So well deserved, too. They shoulsn't have a single seat left in the whole country.
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Re: Labor's internal polling numbers
Reply #74 - Aug 7th, 2012 at 5:12pm
 
Gist wrote on Aug 6th, 2012 at 3:04pm:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:04pm:
Dont get a job trying to argue a position thru logic and fact. This post of yours is an embarrassment to your clearly limited ability to think.


Gist wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 10:08am:
Ah, so you acknowledge your position is a stupid, indefensible one? Well done then, you've made progress.


gold_medal wrote on Aug 6th, 2012 at 2:05pm:
The illogic you used to come up with my support for the ether theory is what demonstrates your own problems. its pretty pointless debating with someone who just redefines, reinterprets or flat-out lies in response.


To which Gist of course says:
Ah, so you acknowledge your position is a stupid, indefensible one? Well done then, you've made progress.

FWIW, a smart man would have stopped the first time around the loop. And then there's you...

Let us know if you ever manage to find someone who can give you a basis for debate. Try and find a smart one though.


it takes a form of mental illness to read the words 'I dont believe in the ether theory' and come up with 'I beleive in the ether theory'.  perhaps prevailing isnt the only posters whose medication needs some help.

I assume you are unemployed (and unemployable?) based on the amount and times you post as well as the infantile content you vomit onto the screen.
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