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Re: Tony admits WORKCHOICES round 2.
Reply #105 - Aug 5^th, 2012 at 8:08am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 8:00am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 7:55am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 7:46am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 7:09am:

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What's wrong with changing something that clearly is not working?

Nothing - it's just that those changes are secret.
Why doesn't he come clean & tell us?

Answer:
he wants to bring back even more harsh laws against employees
& he would lose votes if he told the truth.

What "secrets"? Those were Shorten's words, not Abbott's. Lets face it, Shorten isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer so I don't know why you're putting so much faith in what that moron says.

If you are going to put Abbnott and Shorten in the same sentance it is difficult to justify insulting Shortan's inteligence when you have put dumber right there next to him..

Abbott is a Rhodes Scholar, Shorten is an ex-Union hack. Abbott doesn't blindly follow, whereas Shorten adopts his boss' view despite having no freaking idea what it is. Yeah, Shorten is definitely the dumbest politician by a long shot. Shorten wins Gold, Silver and Bronze in that event. I'll take Abbott over Shorten as PM any day.

Abbott does whatever the ultra right wing power brokers of his faction tell him to do or he's out on his arse.
Remind me again of all the ground breaking policy changes Abbott made in all the years he was a senior minister in the Howard govt and what he did to further this country in all those years that he had a golden opportunity to do so.
Personally I cant think of anything unless we include trashing the public health system and lying about massive cuts at elections.

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Re: Tony admits WORKCHOICES round 2.
Reply #106 - Aug 5^th, 2012 at 8:51am

adelcrow wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 8:08am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 8:00am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 7:55am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 7:46am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 7:09am:

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What's wrong with changing something that clearly is not working?

Nothing - it's just that those changes are secret.
Why doesn't he come clean & tell us?

Answer:
he wants to bring back even more harsh laws against employees
& he would lose votes if he told the truth.

What "secrets"? Those were Shorten's words, not Abbott's. Lets face it, Shorten isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer so I don't know why you're putting so much faith in what that moron says.

If you are going to put Abbnott and Shorten in the same sentance it is difficult to justify insulting Shortan's inteligence when you have put dumber right there next to him..

Abbott is a Rhodes Scholar, Shorten is an ex-Union hack. Abbott doesn't blindly follow, whereas Shorten adopts his boss' view despite having no freaking idea what it is. Yeah, Shorten is definitely the dumbest politician by a long shot. Shorten wins Gold, Silver and Bronze in that event. I'll take Abbott over Shorten as PM any day.

Abbott does whatever the ultra right wing power brokers of his faction tell him to do or he's out on his arse.
Remind me again of all the ground breaking policy changes Abbott made in all the years he was a senior minister in the Howard govt and what he did to further this country in all those years that he had a golden opportunity to do so.
Personally I cant think of anything unless we include trashing the public health system and lying about massive cuts at elections.

i'm not sure thats right, i think abbott is more a big spending, big taxing dlp type bloke.
i seem to remeber he was very luke warm on workchoices and frankly , i cant see him risking power (which he seems very red hot on) on something that has no political gain for him.

also as i said, if you think kevin fixed health with his "takeover of funding" (a thought bubble) think again.
there are now ARMIES of state beaureacrats that wander the corridoors of public hospitals getting patients to sign medicare vouchers, cajoling gp's into writing referal for public patients so that costs can be shifted onto the feds. it will blow the fed bidget for sure (though it will employ at lot of clerks0.
no tony was a good health minister.

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Re: Tony admits WORKCHOICES round 2.
Reply #107 - Aug 5^th, 2012 at 9:01am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 7:04am:

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Nice selective quoting there. You missed this bit...

"TONY ABBOTT, OPPOSITION LEADER (July, 2010): The legislation will not change and WorkChoices is dead, buried, cremated."

So please enlighten us - where does he mention bringing back WorkChoices or a new version of it?

He doesn't use that word - silly -
he wouldn't dare use that word -
he uses a euphemism - changes.

Intelligent people can see through the charade.

I had a laugh when I read that. 'intelligent' people dont read into other peoples comments things that arent there. Intelligent people listen to a persons other comments on a topic just in case they mis-interpreted one comment. Intelligent people let logic and analysis rule over ideology.

ergo... you are not making an intelligent comment.

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Reply #108 - Aug 5^th, 2012 at 9:03am

adelcrow wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 8:08am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 8:00am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 7:55am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 7:46am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 7:09am:

Quote:

What's wrong with changing something that clearly is not working?

Nothing - it's just that those changes are secret.
Why doesn't he come clean & tell us?

Answer:
he wants to bring back even more harsh laws against employees
& he would lose votes if he told the truth.

What "secrets"? Those were Shorten's words, not Abbott's. Lets face it, Shorten isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer so I don't know why you're putting so much faith in what that moron says.

If you are going to put Abbnott and Shorten in the same sentance it is difficult to justify insulting Shortan's inteligence when you have put dumber right there next to him..

Abbott is a Rhodes Scholar, Shorten is an ex-Union hack. Abbott doesn't blindly follow, whereas Shorten adopts his boss' view despite having no freaking idea what it is. Yeah, Shorten is definitely the dumbest politician by a long shot. Shorten wins Gold, Silver and Bronze in that event. I'll take Abbott over Shorten as PM any day.

Abbott does whatever the ultra right wing power brokers of his faction tell him to do or he's out on his arse.
Remind me again of all the ground breaking policy changes Abbott made in all the years he was a senior minister in the Howard govt and what he did to further this country in all those years that he had a golden opportunity to do so.
Personally I cant think of anything unless we include trashing the public health system and lying about massive cuts at elections.

Whatever you have been eating and drinking, it clearly doesnt agree with you. Bitterness and anger seems to be the content of your posts and pretty much nothing else. Even fact seems to elude you. It is one think to be partisan. It is another to be an embittered old fool. Your choice...

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Re: Tony admits WORKCHOICES round 2.
Reply #109 - Aug 5^th, 2012 at 9:30am

gold_medal wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 9:03am:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 8:08am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 8:00am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 7:55am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 7:46am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 7:09am:

Quote:

What's wrong with changing something that clearly is not working?

Nothing - it's just that those changes are secret.
Why doesn't he come clean & tell us?

Answer:
he wants to bring back even more harsh laws against employees
& he would lose votes if he told the truth.

What "secrets"? Those were Shorten's words, not Abbott's. Lets face it, Shorten isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer so I don't know why you're putting so much faith in what that moron says.

If you are going to put Abbnott and Shorten in the same sentance it is difficult to justify insulting Shortan's inteligence when you have put dumber right there next to him..

Abbott is a Rhodes Scholar, Shorten is an ex-Union hack. Abbott doesn't blindly follow, whereas Shorten adopts his boss' view despite having no freaking idea what it is. Yeah, Shorten is definitely the dumbest politician by a long shot. Shorten wins Gold, Silver and Bronze in that event. I'll take Abbott over Shorten as PM any day.

Abbott does whatever the ultra right wing power brokers of his faction tell him to do or he's out on his arse.
Remind me again of all the ground breaking policy changes Abbott made in all the years he was a senior minister in the Howard govt and what he did to further this country in all those years that he had a golden opportunity to do so.
Personally I cant think of anything unless we include trashing the public health system and lying about massive cuts at elections.

Whatever you have been eating and drinking, it clearly doesnt agree with you. Bitterness and anger seems to be the content of your posts and pretty much nothing else. Even fact seems to elude you. It is one think to be partisan. It is another to be an embittered old fool. Your choice...

Your well thought out counter arguments are a thing to behold Grin

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Re: Tony admits WORKCHOICES round 2.
Reply #110 - Aug 5^th, 2012 at 11:25am

Adel,
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Abbott does whatever the ultra right wing power brokers of his faction tell him to do or he's out on his arse.
Remind me again of all the ground breaking policy changes Abbott made in all the years he was a senior minister in the Howard govt and what he did to further this country in all those years that he had a golden opportunity to do so.
Personally I cant think of anything unless we include
trashing the public health system and lying about massive cuts at elections.

Hi Adel,
Hear hear - well said - welcome to my team.

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Re: Tony admits WORKCHOICES round 2.
Reply #111 - Aug 5^th, 2012 at 11:26am

gold_medal wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 9:01am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 7:04am:

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Nice selective quoting there. You missed this bit...

"TONY ABBOTT, OPPOSITION LEADER (July, 2010): The legislation will not change and WorkChoices is dead, buried, cremated."

So please enlighten us - where does he mention bringing back WorkChoices or a new version of it?

He doesn't use that word - silly -
he wouldn't dare use that word -
he uses a euphemism - changes.

Intelligent people can see through the charade.

I had a laugh when I read that. 'intelligent' people dont read into other peoples comments things that arent there. Intelligent people listen to a persons other comments on a topic just in case they mis-interpreted one comment. Intelligent people let logic and analysis rule over ideology.

ergo... you are not making an intelligent comment.

Hi Gold (Longweekend),
Intelligent people can read between the lines.
You can't but I can see Phony Tony.

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Re: Tony admits WORKCHOICES round 2.
Reply #113 - Aug 5^th, 2012 at 1:01pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 11:50am:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 2:12pm:

Abbott has promised he will repeal the illegal unconstitutional carbon tax...

what else will he do apart from flogging off the remaining publicly owned assets ??

what is the libbos vision for the future ??

Abbott thinks we can burn coal forever..Abbott has a magic pudding made of coal Grin

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Reply #114 - Aug 5^th, 2012 at 1:59pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 11:50am:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 2:12pm:

Abbott has promised he will repeal the illegal unconstitutional carbon tax...

what else will he do apart from flogging off the remaining publicly owned assets ??

what is the libbos vision for the future ??

Hi Nail,
I have already answered that question a few pages ago:

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- Workchoices
- No Vision for the future
- Luddite mentality
- keeping everyone in the dark and in the past
- Zero career prospects for people
- Low education standards
- Casualization of the work force with crap job prospects
- Making lame excuses to do nothing
- Free trade agreements decimating manufacturing and losing jobs
- Manufacture absolutely nothing and focus on digging crap out of the ground or planting seeds
- Set fire to coal mentality at any cost
- Destroy the environment without worrying about the consequences
- Do not promote excellence
- Worship rich corporations and keep the majority enslaved to them
- Dumb down the population and the media
- Sell off public assets and privatise everything and then charge the punters more for services
- A health care system based on the US health care system which murders its own citizens
- Waste tax payers money on useless sporting events and creating jobs for your own family members

as well as:

- The Liberals stand for the rights of the rich people to get richer.
- They stand for the exploitation of working class people in dingy unsafe factories.
- They believe in the "trickle down" effect where if you reward rich people the money will reach the poor as well.
- The Liberals stand for individual rights & not for the rights of society or a nation.
- The Liberals believe in a born to rule mentality.
- This means that if you are born poor then you shouldn't have the same rights to a top education or health care as a rich person.
- The Liberals believe in a shopkeeper mentality which came from Margaret Thatcher.
- A true Liberal always has a copy of one her books by his or her bedside

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Re: Tony admits WORKCHOICES round 2.
Reply #115 - Aug 5^th, 2012 at 2:27pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 9:03am:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 8:08am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 8:00am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 7:55am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 7:46am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 7:09am:

Quote:

What's wrong with changing something that clearly is not working?

Nothing - it's just that those changes are secret.
Why doesn't he come clean & tell us?

Answer:
he wants to bring back even more harsh laws against employees
& he would lose votes if he told the truth.

What "secrets"? Those were Shorten's words, not Abbott's. Lets face it, Shorten isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer so I don't know why you're putting so much faith in what that moron says.

If you are going to put Abbnott and Shorten in the same sentance it is difficult to justify insulting Shortan's inteligence when you have put dumber right there next to him..

Abbott is a Rhodes Scholar, Shorten is an ex-Union hack. Abbott doesn't blindly follow, whereas Shorten adopts his boss' view despite having no freaking idea what it is. Yeah, Shorten is definitely the dumbest politician by a long shot. Shorten wins Gold, Silver and Bronze in that event. I'll take Abbott over Shorten as PM any day.

Abbott does whatever the ultra right wing power brokers of his faction tell him to do or he's out on his arse.
Remind me again of all the ground breaking policy changes Abbott made in all the years he was a senior minister in the Howard govt and what he did to further this country in all those years that he had a golden opportunity to do so.
Personally I cant think of anything unless we include trashing the public health system and lying about massive cuts at elections.

Whatever you have been eating and drinking, it clearly doesnt agree with you. Bitterness and anger seems to be the content of your posts and pretty much nothing else. Even fact seems to elude you. It is one think to be partisan. It is another to be an embittered old fool. Your choice...

not sure what you are going on about but in both the labor and liberal government, the leaders do what the power brokers tell them to do ... for an example of what happens when they don't you only have to go as far back as Rudd ... ousted during his prime ... a popular PM only one year into his first term ... ohh, and don't think the libs are any different ...there is a lot happening behind the scenes there as well, but they seem to be better at keeping it private ...

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Re: Tony admits WORKCHOICES round 2.
Reply #116 - Aug 5^th, 2012 at 2:40pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 1:17pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 12:52pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 12:40pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 12:27pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 9:00am:

Wow you lefties can be paranoid dunces! There is no Workchoices. There is the possibility of some industrial relations legisltaion changes just as every government has done every time. Or are you trying to say that Fiarwork is so good it needs no changes? Is that why they had a review which was the best example of a government-intiated review in that all the panel could do is say the FW was doing what was intended, not whther it was any good or not.

Get over it. Industrial relations changes are part of life and always will be.

dream on sunshine !!

It won't be called Workchoices. It will be called something else so they can get away with their lies of not reinstating it Sad

It's the same rust just with a different coat of paint covering it Sad

Another leftie trait: blatant hypocrisy. Leftie labor promises no carbon tax and then gives one. and now complain about the breach of a liberal promise that hasnt even happened.

Do you realise just how silly and pathetic you are? Why dont you come back and complain if workchoices IS reinstated. Of course the problem is that will require integrity to determine if it is workchoices rather than just a few industrial legislation changes.

Integrity: yet another attribute lefties talk about, long for yet have none of.

A few industrial legislation changes - my arse it will be !!

Get your nose out of The Australian newspaper mate because you're starting to sound like a disciple !!

well you could aways step out of loser-leftie-land and actually present FACTUAL policies from Abbott and debate them because at the moment all you are doing is repeating make-believe and fairy-stories and being silly enough to believe them to be the truth. Abbott will kill all the children under 2!!! And I know it is true because I read it on a website. The UN is planning to install Abbott as dictator-for-life. Its true because stormfront says so.

Get a fact and debate that. And by the sounds of it, you might want to pick up a life at the same time.

Well if Abbott actually had the guts to release some policies instead of motherhood statements we might be able to.
I've been wanting to see these policies and understand their implementation and ramifications for a while now, only to be told I'm not entitled to an informed vote, shut up you'll see them 3 weeks before the election and be grateful for that.

Abbott's gutless, he won't release detail, he won't have them costed, he believes he will cruise into office. Angry

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Re: Tony admits WORKCHOICES round 2.
Reply #117 - Aug 5^th, 2012 at 2:48pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 8:00am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 7:55am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 7:46am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 7:09am:

Quote:

What's wrong with changing something that clearly is not working?

Nothing - it's just that those changes are secret.
Why doesn't he come clean & tell us?

Answer:
he wants to bring back even more harsh laws against employees
& he would lose votes if he told the truth.

What "secrets"? Those were Shorten's words, not Abbott's. Lets face it, Shorten isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer so I don't know why you're putting so much faith in what that moron says.

If you are going to put Abbnott and Shorten in the same sentance it is difficult to justify insulting Shortan's inteligence when you have put dumber right there next to him..

Abbott is a Rhodes Scholar, Shorten is an ex-Union hack. Abbott doesn't blindly follow, whereas Shorten adopts his boss' view despite having no freaking idea what it is. Yeah, Shorten is definitely the dumbest politician by a long shot. Shorten wins Gold, Silver and Bronze in that event. I'll take Abbott over Shorten as PM any day.

A lot of the best educated people I know are really dumb. Education standard is more a measure of parental wealth than anything else. Abbnott is not particularly bright - never has been.

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Reply #118 - Aug 5^th, 2012 at 2:52pm

Smithy,
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Well if Abbott actually had the guts to release some policies instead of motherhood statements we might be able to.
I've been wanting to see these policies and understand their implementation and ramifications for a while now, only to be told I'm not entitled to an informed vote, shut up you'll see them 3 weeks before the election and be grateful for that.

Abbott's gutless, he won't release detail, he won't have them costed, he believes he will cruise into office.

In politics - it's called - " making yourself a small target "

Remember when Hewson released Fightback?

Keating had a field day in parliament making fun of it at every spare moment.
That was the last time that the Libbos will ever release their policies for scrutiny.

Tony can avoid saying Workchoices round 2.
He can just say - ohh I'll make a couple of little changes
& people like Longweekend & most voters will believe him.

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Reply #119 - Aug 5^th, 2012 at 3:02pm

adelcrow wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 9:30am: