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Reply #165 - Aug 7^th, 2012 at 5:03pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 9:23am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 8:11am:

I'm still waiting for someone to show us all where Abbott has admitted he intends to introduce a policy called "WorkChoices2"...

So your working on theory that if its called
"Happy Workers" even though it has all the same changes to industrial law & awards it's OK & Abbott is still pure.

Working on this theory had Gillard called the Carbon Tax "Atmospheric Donations" you would have been perfectly fine.

Whilst a clever response in some ways it is also quite pathetic. the poster was clearly saying how people can be quite as silly as to be talking about the return of WorkChoices when no one in the Libs is doing anything of the kind. Sure, the front-bench of the govt is saying that, but that is because they are desperate for a potential electoral battlefield where they arent already dead.

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Reply #166 - Aug 7^th, 2012 at 5:04pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 10:04am:

Verge wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 9:54am:

Sounds like Bobby is just an unhappy worker and just wants to see his employer even more burdened with industrial relations paperwork.

Why doesnt Bobby just go work for his international mover and shaker Nail.

I asked Nail but he's not hiring right now.

Given that by his own admission he is only an employee it is hardly surprising that he isnt hiring. [face palm]

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Reply #167 - Aug 8^th, 2012 at 5:23pm

aquascoot wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 8:31am:

bobby, bobby, bobby.

its simple.
look if an employer tries to screw you over here is the solution.

youre working as a waiter at a coffee shop.
areshole boss cuts your penalty rates
go to vacant shop 50 metres away.
get bank loan and do fit out.
open your coffee shop near his.
work your arse off
undercut him.
send him to the wall.
buy his house
date his daughter
invite him round for christmas dinner and make him do YOUR dishes.

opportunities are open to all in australia.
dont wait for some whiney pommy shop steward to argue your case.
now go and enrol in your baristas course and get motivated.

lol,

*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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Reply #168 - Aug 8^th, 2012 at 6:29pm

gold_medal wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 5:03pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 9:23am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 8:11am:

I'm still waiting for someone to show us all where Abbott has admitted he intends to introduce a policy called "WorkChoices2"...

So your working on theory that if its called
"Happy Workers" even though it has all the same changes to industrial law & awards it's OK & Abbott is still pure.

Working on this theory had Gillard called the Carbon Tax "Atmospheric Donations" you would have been perfectly fine.

Whilst a clever response in some ways it is also quite pathetic. the poster was clearly saying how people can be quite as silly as to be talking about the return of WorkChoices when no one in the Libs is doing anything of the kind. Sure, the front-bench of the govt is saying that, but that is because they are desperate for a potential electoral battlefield where they arent already dead.

quite as silly as to be talking about the return of WorkChoices when no one in the Libs is doing anything of the kind

Really wasn't it Mr Abbnott the other week telling the tourism industry and others about improving productivity (wink wink) Talk about swinging the pendulum back.

Mind you this is a pendulum which has been going to the right for about 3 decades where fair work has only turned it back a few percent.

I would think that turning back that old pendulum towards the employers side more than it already is clearly means some of those pesky working conditions under threat.

Abbnott has always been talking about making dismissals unfair again and workplace flexability etc.

Split shifts, penalty rates Public Holiday rates individual contracts - just what is on the table and what not?

If he were not being devious and dishonest he would be able to tell us what he is talking about.

Your statment is absolutly wrong - all the speculation is comming from what the Liberals have been saying.

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Reply #169 - Aug 8^th, 2012 at 6:40pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 6:29pm:

Really wasn't it Mr Abbnott the other week telling the tourism industry and others about improving productivity (wink wink) Talk about swinging the pendulum back.

So when Labor talks about productivity - it's not Workchoices

But when LIBs talk about productivity it's Workchoices?

Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number

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Reply #170 - Aug 8^th, 2012 at 6:49pm

Doesnt matter who is in government we are going to lose penalty rates and we are going to get those stupid individual contracts eventually. Its going to happen. They are all the same and they are not thinking of us the ppl. Heck most ppl arent thinking of us the ppl. They hear the media and support the 1% for some weird reason.

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Reply #171 - Aug 8^th, 2012 at 6:49pm

Maqqa wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 6:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 6:29pm:

Really wasn't it Mr Abbnott the other week telling the tourism industry and others about improving productivity (wink wink) Talk about swinging the pendulum back.

So when Labor talks about productivity - it's not Workchoices

But when LIBs talk about productivity it's Workchoices?

Tnoy Abbnott
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There’s workplace relations changes over the last few years that are making it harder for you to stay open on Sundays, after hours, on public holidays.

Tnoy Abbnott
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But we won’t stop there

. Workplace relations is very important to people in this sector and we will move the workplace relations pendulum back to the sensible centre. You do need more flexibility in your workplace arrangements. Individual flexibility agreements must be made more workable and we will do that

Deny it all you like but Tnoy is not with you on this one.

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Reply #172 - Aug 8^th, 2012 at 7:47pm

Maqqa wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 6:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 6:29pm:

Really wasn't it Mr Abbnott the other week telling the tourism industry and others about improving productivity (wink wink) Talk about swinging the pendulum back.

So when Labor talks about productivity - it's not Workchoices

But when LIBs talk about productivity it's Workchoices?

What does Labor mean when it talks about productivity?

Just saw on ABC news tonight.
Our jobs in the car industry are going to Thailand -
even for the spare parts -
but - we could never compete with their super low wages.

Therefore is productivity about lowering wages to compete with Thailand?

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Reply #173 - Aug 9^th, 2012 at 10:05am

Dnarever wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 6:29pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 5:03pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 9:23am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 8:11am:

I'm still waiting for someone to show us all where Abbott has admitted he intends to introduce a policy called "WorkChoices2"...

So your working on theory that if its called
"Happy Workers" even though it has all the same changes to industrial law & awards it's OK & Abbott is still pure.

Working on this theory had Gillard called the Carbon Tax "Atmospheric Donations" you would have been perfectly fine.

Whilst a clever response in some ways it is also quite pathetic. the poster was clearly saying how people can be quite as silly as to be talking about the return of WorkChoices when no one in the Libs is doing anything of the kind. Sure, the front-bench of the govt is saying that, but that is because they are desperate for a potential electoral battlefield where they arent already dead.

quite as silly as to be talking about the return of WorkChoices when no one in the Libs is doing anything of the kind

Really wasn't it Mr Abbnott the other week telling the tourism industry and others about improving productivity (wink wink) Talk about swinging the pendulum back.

Mind you this is a pendulum which has been going to the right for about 3 decades where fair work has only turned it back a few percent.

I would think that turning back that old pendulum towards the employers side more than it already is clearly means some of those pesky working conditions under threat.

Abbnott has always been talking about making dismissals unfair again and workplace flexability etc.

Split shifts, penalty rates Public Holiday rates individual contracts - just what is on the table and what not?

If he were not being devious and dishonest he would be able to tell us what he is talking about.

Your statment is absolutly wrong - all the speculation is comming from what the Liberals have been saying.

Your paranoia does seem to be all-consuming. the FairWork act was a very retrograde step that actually wound back KEATING-ERA industrial relations changes. the Act was a pay-back for the unions for their election-winning anti-workchoices campaign.

What is laughable though is listening to people claim that WorkChoices is coming back because Abbott talks of productivity improvements - a problem australia has in spades or of changes to unfair dismissal - which is actually a problem still. You equate any change from Fair Work as workchoices. You really should develop some thinking skills that allow you to define a topic in somthing other than black and white. if you dont, all you guarantee is that you will ALWAYS be wrong and become a joke.

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Re: Tony admits WORKCHOICES round 2.
Reply #174 - Aug 9^th, 2012 at 10:20am

gold_medal wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 10:05am:

Abbott talks of productivity improvements

You continue to ignore the fact Abbott's only solution to these so called Productivity barriers, that we have heard is to abolish penalty rates.
Abbott seems to think if you pay people less they will work harder, didn't seem to work for him, in fact when his pay was cut(ministerial to backbencher) he went on telle to tell us how hard he was doing it, never mind the fact he was still in the top 15% of wage earners.

As long as the Liberals only solution with industrial relations is to curtail collective action by workers, their wages or payrates & their entitlements then WORKCHOICES fits no matter how much you wished it didn't.

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REBELLION is when you turn off the TV & start educating & thinking for yourself.
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Reply #175 - Aug 9^th, 2012 at 11:19am

I make no qualms about stating I thought workchoices was a good idea and I remain thinking it is a good idea.

Since I left university, I have worked with very large corporations with an employment contract.
A contract detailing my obligations backed up by statutory law.

If people's problem with workchoices was that it wasn't an even playing field on both sides - bear in mind the SMALLEST company I have worked for had annual revenue of $850m - the largest has revenue of several hundred BILLION per year.

Hardly even playing field with me.

But it works. I know my set hours, I know my bonus percentage, I know my annual leave entitlement, I know my additional benefits like car allowance.

All agreed in negotiation and signed by both parties.

Exactly what workchoices is trying to do.

Companies liaising directly with their employees on working arrangements in agreements backed up by law.

I know it works because I have lived it for over a decade.

Now to have a man 20-30 years my senior frightened to enter an agreement with a company - which I did when I was 24 years of age - is basically ignorant on his part and appallingly sad in his ability to negotiate.

Workchoices is the modern world. It is no longer the 1970s, those days are gone. And rightly so.

People need to harden up a bit and stop carrying on like a bunch of pansies.

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Reply #176 - Aug 9^th, 2012 at 11:26am

The last thing we want to do is move to an american style workplace relationship.

Workchoices moves in the direction.

The current system is a safety net. A lot of people do what Andrei "claims" (he's really in jail) if they want to in Australia. But have the fairwork safety net if their bargaining position is weak to the point of non existant.

Seems to be working just fine to me.

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Reply #177 - Aug 9^th, 2012 at 11:28am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 10:20am:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 10:05am:

Abbott talks of productivity improvements

You continue to ignore the fact Abbott's only solution to these so called Productivity barriers, that we have heard is to abolish penalty rates.
Abbott seems to think if you pay people less they will work harder, didn't seem to work for him, in fact when his pay was cut(ministerial to backbencher) he went on telle to tell us how hard he was doing it, never mind the fact he was still in the top 15% of wage earners.

As long as the Liberals only solution with industrial relations is to curtail collective action by workers, their wages or payrates & their entitlements then WORKCHOICES fits no matter how much you wished it didn't.

Always good to see you assuming the breadth and extent of a detailed policy like Industrial Relations BEFORE it is released. yes, he has made comments on penalty rates. so what? But the comment that there will be NO workchoices 2 you ignore? Bit selective isnt it?

If you want to speak on a complex topic based on bits and peices that have been said so far at least be honest enough to include ALL of them, not just the ones that confirm you suspicions.

Fair Work is a pathetic retrograde sop to the union movement. Abbott will end up making major changes to bring us back into this century and address the productivity problems that affect the economy. FairWork is a stupid act designed with the 1970s in mind and little interest in anyone other than unions and rights etc. oursourcing overseas and the dying manufacturing sector is not going to be fixed by slogans and demanding rights.

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Reply #178 - Aug 9^th, 2012 at 11:29am

Under the ridiculous legislation you have in Australia, an employee can take 12 months maternity leave and then when they come back request to do 3 days per week to fit in with their lifestyle and we as a company in Australia have to work in with that.

Try explaining that to us here in California that we need to change around our reporting structure so some of our Aussie employees can work part time now....

That legislation has baffled the hell out of us in corporate about how ridiculous it is.

Australia's workplace laws are a fking joke.

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Reply #179 - Aug 9^th, 2012 at 11:34am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 11:29am:

Under the ridiculous legislation you have in Australia, an employee can take 12 months maternity leave and then when they come back request to do 3 days per week to fit in with their lifestyle and we as a company in Australia have to work in with that.

Try explaining that to us here in California that we need to change around our reporting structure so some of our Aussie employees can work part time now....

That legislation has baffled the hell out of us in corporate about how ridiculous it is.

Australia's workplace laws are a fking joke.

Sounds like you have a very inflexible head office.

What you're describing is what makes the quality of life so high in Australia, and all the more reason to keep it. If corporate head office cant setup payroll for someone who works 3 days a week, then they shouldnt (and probably wont) be in business.

Part time is also a great way to retain key start into retirement.

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