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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26500 Australia	Re: Tony admits WORKCHOICES round 2. Reply #285 - Aug 28^th, 2012 at 8:35am SOB
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Reply #286 - Aug 28^th, 2012 at 9:31am

Its only people ideologically driven by Meritocracy that want workchoices...that is Gillard & Howard. Abbott does not appear to be ideologically committed to social Darwinist economics - I think that is why the globalists want him out...

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Re: Tony admits WORKCHOICES round 2.
Reply #287 - Aug 28^th, 2012 at 11:54pm

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The Liberals’ WorkChoices
Under WorkChoices, Australian workers faced the following cuts to their rights: Sad

Protection from being sacked unfairly was stripped away from more than three million workers.
Employers had the power to put workers onto AWA individual contracts that cut the award pay and conditions of employees.
The award safety net was effectively abolished and there were changes to the way minimum wages to drive down the pay of low income workers. Sad

Young workers, women and casuals were the most vulnerable to WorkChoices and ended up being its worst victims.

More than a million low paid workers suffered real pay cuts of up to $90 a week from WorkChoices’ changes to minimum wages.

Thousands of workers were pushed onto AWA individual contracts and: Sad

70% lost shift loadings
68% lost annual leave loadings
65% lost penalty rates
49% lost overtime loadings.
25% no longer had public holidays.

Thanks Crook for reminding us all of what to expect when Tony gets in.

Our only hope is to vote Green to stop him in the senate.

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Re: Tony admits WORKCHOICES round 2.
Reply #288 - Aug 29^th, 2012 at 7:43am

gold_medal wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 3:36pm:

I said it at the time (1993) that honesty and transparency in election would die. THe libs put forward a comprehensive plan and suite of policies well before the election and were comprehensively punished for it by an electorate that was dumb. And there's the rub. voters actually are dumb and parties have to manage that stupidity carefully. keating was a spectacularly good politician. It takes quite a genius to campaign so savagely and effectively against your own preferred position (GST). Keating lied, misrepresented and took advantage of his opponent in a brilliantly effective way. But he was still a liar and an epic hypocrite. And the people rewarded him for it.

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It takes quite a genius to campaign so savagely and effectively against your own preferred position (GST). Keating lied, misrepresented and took advantage of his opponent in a brilliantly effective way. But he was still a liar

You seem to forget that it was Labor and Keating who in the end scuttled their own consumption tax. They did this because they found no fair way to impliment it.

Labor and Keating opposed the Hewson GST because it had the same flaws as their own.

Labor looked seriously at a consumption tax and in the end over turned the decision. Why would you think that holding a consistant position is dishonest.

Even Beasly made the error of originally not opposing the Howard GST. The original position was to have a look at it and see if they could support it.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 103100 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Tony admits WORKCHOICES round 2. Reply #289 - Aug 29^th, 2012 at 7:30pm Gold/Longweekend Quote: keating was a spectacularly good politician I agree - look at him in action:
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Re: Tony admits WORKCHOICES round 2.
Reply #290 - Aug 29^th, 2012 at 8:28pm

aquascoot wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 8:12am:

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The Liberals’ WorkChoices
Under WorkChoices, Australian workers faced the following cuts to their rights: Sad

Protection from being sacked unfairly was stripped away from more than three million workers.
Employers had the power to put workers onto AWA individual contracts that cut the award pay and conditions of employees.
The award safety net was effectively abolished and there were changes to the way minimum wages to drive down the pay of low income workers. Sad

Young workers, women and casuals were the most vulnerable to WorkChoices and ended up being its worst victims.

More than a million low paid workers suffered real pay cuts of up to $90 a week from WorkChoices’ changes to minimum wages.

Thousands of workers were pushed onto AWA individual contracts and: Sad

70% lost shift loadings
68% lost annual leave loadings
65% lost penalty rates
49% lost overtime loadings.
25% no longer had public holidays.

crook are you sure those figures are right, they sound a bit high, where can i go to verify that. if those figures are true.
(did 65 % really lose penalty rates) than i understand your concerns.
i thought one of the things about workchoices was that you could not, as an employer, give people a worse deal than they were already on during negotiations ????

No that is incorrect. Originally one of the most attractive features of workchoices to employers is that there was no fairness test. At the point where the Howard government were in a heap of trouble they put the fairness test back to try and save the election (too little too late).

Thousands of employers were fined.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 103100 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Tony admits WORKCHOICES round 2. Reply #291 - Aug 29^th, 2012 at 9:34pm Quote: At the point where the Howard government were in a heap of trouble they put the fairness test back. How sneaky is that? Vote Green to stop Abbott doing it too.
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