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Reply #150 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 5:22am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 3:42pm:

From my experience the white people from developed countries who have converted to Islam always are more volatile and extremist than Muslims born as Muslim in Islamic countries.

I think it may be to make up the gap of not being born a Muslim.

They feel that they need to prove themselves as real.

Abu is a white person from australia so he fits this category.

Me, i was born a Jew in a Jewish country - i do not feel i need to be extreme to prove something, which is why i am moderate.

you may me moderate in religion which remains to be seen but you are nor moderate in your nazism. you are a terrorist. It just goes to prove that religion isnt always the motivation though it is a lot of the time.

Tell me avram, what does a moderate believe? Do you eat fish on friday? Do you eat bacon? Do you poke someone eyes out for nudging you? Oh yeah the "eye for an eye" thing. Thats pretty religious and you definitely go for that one dont you?

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia? Reply #151 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 5:25am Quote: Soren, we've been over this several times before, and I'm sure you're well aware of how ridiculous it is to claim ownership over a piece of land 2000 years after you had a little kingdom there. This may be from the fairytale book anyway and not have any basis in fact. SOB
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Reply #152 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 3:44pm

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 12:32am:

brumbie wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 7:12pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 4:01pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 3:42pm:

Me, i was born a Jew in a Jewish country - i do not feel i need to be extreme to prove something, which is why i am moderate.

Still trying to convince yourself you're not a squatter in someone elses country. Go back to Czech Republic where you belong.

gotta love that reply ...because you're an aboriginal i guess

When I start entering Aboriginal's homes with machine guns, and bulldozing their houses, perhaps you might have a point.

Every single Muslim country in North Africa and the Middle East, all the way to Pakistan, is Muslim due to conquest by Muslim armies. SO the Muslims are not the doe-eyed, innocent Aborigines of the 'Muslim lands', they are the bloody conquerors.

Jews want Israel because it is their homeland, arid, stoney, no resources, surrounded by hostile Arabs - but it is still their homeland.

They could have picked a better patch of real estate if it were only about a somewhere to call home. But it has never been about a patch of land just anywhere. Their entire identity, their 'Dreamtime' centres on Israel and Jerusalem, like no other peoples' identity. A Jew anywhere outside Israel is a Jew in the diaspora.

On the other hand, Islam is pretty much all about thwarting and subjugating the Jews. That the Jews got their homeland back is a massive repudiation of Islam and that's why you are so against it.

Generally, losing anything that was once conquered by Islam is a big sore point for you -see what the Muslims did in East Timor to realise just how alive your resentment is towards non-Muslims who do not want to live under Muslim rule. Islam is a colonising creed and will not suffer any 'post-colonial' detachment lightly - especially not at the had of the Jews. The west can give up its colonies. Islam can't.

Your hostility is not about the territory as such - Israel is barely a third of Tasmania -, it's a about losing Land that had been conquered by Muslim and to add insult, losing it to the Jews. i

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Reply #153 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 3:45pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 5:25am:

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Soren, we've been over this several times before, and I'm sure you're well aware of how ridiculous it is to claim ownership over a piece of land 2000 years after you had a little kingdom there.

This may be from the fairytale book anyway and not have any basis in fact.

SOB

You must also have a very scathing opinion of Aboriginal culture - it is also based on fairy tales and theirs isn't even written down.

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Reply #154 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 10:47pm

Soren wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 3:44pm:

Every single Muslim country in North Africa and the Middle East, all the way to Pakistan, is Muslim due to conquest by Muslim armies.

The ancient Israelites conquered land by force, as did Muslims, that was long ago in an age when conquest was an every day part of survival.

Those land became Muslim lands long ago because their people adopted Islam. Simple as that. For you to try and weasel your way out of the inevitability of the illegitimacy of the Zionist entity through claiming Muslim lands are conquered just absolutely pathetic.

Big Dave wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:41pm:

Jews want Israel because it is their homeland, arid, stoney, no resources, surrounded by hostile Arabs - but it is still their homeland.

I couldn't care less why they want it, it's someone else's home. No matter how good your little tale is, it does not nullify someone else's right to their home.

If I showed up on your doorstep with a beauty of a sob story about how I want you out in the gutter, and me inside your nice warm home, you know full well how you'd greet me. Be honest to yourself and admit to the clear and obvious rights of the Palestinians to respond the same.

Big Dave wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:41pm:

On the other hand, Islam is pretty much all about thwarting and subjugating the Jews. That the Jews got their homeland back is a massive repudiation of Islam and that's why you are so against it.

Yeh yeh poor little Jews, we get it. Then you harp on about how Muslims are always playing the victim. You're one big walking vault of contradictions Soren. You can't even let your fingers touch the keyboard without slipping out some tripe that completely contradicts the garbage you typed a few minutes earlier.

Big Dave wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:41pm:

Generally, losing anything that was once conquered by Islam is a big sore point for you -see what the Muslims did in East Timor to realise just how alive your resentment is towards non-Muslims who do not want to live under Muslim rule. Islam is a colonising creed and will not suffer any 'post-colonial' detachment lightly - especially not at the had of the Jews. The west can give up its colonies. Islam can't.

Good one... Palestinians aren't concerned with having to live in refugee camps on the borders of their homeland, it's all about their supposed innate hatred for Jews. Get off the crack Soren.

Big Dave wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:41pm:

Your hostility is not about the territory as such - Israel is barely a third of Tasmania -, it's a about losing Land that had been conquered by Muslim and to add insult, losing it to the Jews.

Yeh because losing your home is all about how big the border thousands of miles around you is.

Your house is barely a squillonth of the size of Palestine... so get the hell out and make way for some Afghan refugee family.

Put your money where your mouth is... vacate, and let some squatters in.

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia? Reply #155 - Aug 13^th, 2012 at 11:02pm Zionist entity? Our country is called Israel.
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Reply #157 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 2:32am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 11:02pm:

Zionist entity?

Our country is called Israel.

Israel, is a prince with God.

Psalms 83:2
For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:

Ezekiel 35:12
And thou shalt know that I am the LORD, and that I have heard all thy blasphemies which thou hast spoken against the mountains of Israel, saying, They are laid desolate, they are given us to consume.
13 Thus with your mouth ye have boasted against me, and have multiplied your words against me: I have heard them.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #158 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 2:38am

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 10:03am:

freediver wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 8:18am:

Because I have seen how deluded you are about Abu's beliefs. It would be pretty hard to top that.

Lemme guess, because Spot's view does not mirrors yours? As your view is the ultimate truth right?

All others are just not asking enough questions, enough times in enough different ways, to be able to make up their own answers... right?

LOL

That is pretty rich, coming from a ['rightly guided'] moslem!

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Reply #159 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 2:55am

MOTR wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 2:05pm:

Who cares which is worse. We need to be wary of all organised religions and fascist tendencies. I know many Muslims and they are no more barbaric than most other AUstralians, which is not at all.

I'd say many of them are quite happy to be living in a secular society.

All moslems who are residing in non-moslem host nations, have the nature [politically], of 'flags in the wind'.

And when the political 'wind' eventually changes direction, so will the 'allegiance' of those 'nice' moslems!

Then, they will slaughter their former infidel 'friends'.

e.g.
Syria, 2012.

i.e.
Publicly, good moslems residing in non-moslem host nations, studiously [when in the public eye] try to reflect the political environment in which they 'travel'.
i.e.
Today, a good moslem in Australia, may make the claim that he is 'moderate', and tolerant.

But when it suits their purpose [i.e. when Allah provides the 'opportunity'], or when the political environment changes to favour the ISLAMISTS, those 'good' moslems residing in non-moslem host nations, will 'turn in the wind', and will always revert to being Jihadists/ISLAMISTS [i.e. really, good moslems].

The truth is, that all good moslems who live within non-moslem jurisdictions, are not being sincere, candid, honest, in representing ISLAM, to their non-moslem hosts.

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Q.
Who is a moslem ???

A.
Every moslem, IS A MOSLEM.

Google;
Shahada, confession of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."

But >> being << a moslem involves much more than simply declaring the Shahada.

It also involves, the obligation, that the moslem will submit himself to the tenets, the laws, and the 'ideals', which ISLAM promotes.

The ISLAMIC 'ideals' which also include, a shared enmity [hatred!!], and disgust, for all non-moslems.

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"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends.....offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1

If a person chooses to declare; "I am a moslem."
, and if that same person 'intimates' to you [an 'unbeliever'], that he is your moslem friend, >> THAT MOSLEM IS A BARE FACED LIAR <<.

ISLAM's own foundation text [the Koran], declares that truth.

And >> ISLAMIC law [Sharia Law] << makes it very clear, that it is unlawful for a moslem to have a sincere friendship with a, spit, spit, non-moslem.

For a moslem, being a moslem, and being the friend of a non-moslem are mutually EXCLUSIVE circumstances. [ <---- i.e. ISLAMIC law mandates, that those circumstances, in the life of a moslem can never occur together.]

Every moslem worthy of the name knows that that statement is truthful.

And that >> FACT << is proclaimed within ISLAM's most important foundation text, the inerrant, straight from Allah's lips, Koran.

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."

Koran 5.51

n.b.
That Koran 5.51 verse declares, AND SHOUTS TO THE WHOLE WORLD, that Allah himself, directly forbids moslems from making friends, even with the 'people of the book'.

Because ISLAM regards Jews and the Christians as non-moslems - AND, AS THE ENEMIES OF ALLAH, their god.

"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them..."
Koran 3:28

Again, the Koran commands, and ISLAMIC doctrine insists, that it is unlawful for moslems to make friends with unbelievers except to "guard yourselves from them": i.e. to pretend to be the friends of 'unbelievers', so that you can strengthen yourself against them.

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21884 A cat with a view	Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia? Reply #160 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 3:09am freediver wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:53pm: I have even seen Abu try to claim Muslim ownership of Spain. But how could we doubt their claim! Moslems have legitimate grievances, against us all! /sarc off
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Reply #161 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 3:20am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 5:17am:

MOTR wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 2:05pm:

Who cares which is worse. We need to be wary of all organised religions and fascist tendencies. I know many Muslims and they are no more barbaric than most other AUstralians, which is not at all. I'd say many of them are quite happy to be living in a secular society.

Oh boy. you are gunna cop it now from freediver and yadda. They will take you out of context and lie about what you just said and tell you what you think.

Thing is imo it isnt even the religion causing the barbarity its just the environment and the religion is the excuse.

SOB

SPOT,

Everywhere moslems go [into new lands], they bring their 'attitude' with them.

And eventually, their 'attitude' turns into 'hot' warfare, against those who [the moslems claim] are 'oppressing' them, because the natives/hosts won't meekly 'roll over', and be the slaves of the moslems.

But don't blame the moslems!!!!!

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Reply #162 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 3:26am

Yadda wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 3:20am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 5:17am:

MOTR wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 2:05pm:

Who cares which is worse. We need to be wary of all organised religions and fascist tendencies. I know many Muslims and they are no more barbaric than most other AUstralians, which is not at all. I'd say many of them are quite happy to be living in a secular society.

Oh boy. you are gunna cop it now from freediver and yadda. They will take you out of context and lie about what you just said and tell you what you think.

Thing is imo it isnt even the religion causing the barbarity its just the environment and the religion is the excuse.

SOB

SPOT,

Everywhere moslems go [into new lands], they bring their 'attitude' with them.

And eventually, their 'attitude' turns into 'hot' warfare, against those who [the moslems claim] are 'oppressing' them, because the natives/hosts won't meekly 'roll over', and be the slaves of the moslems.

But don't blame the moslems!!!!!

LOL

Hey SPOT,

I forgot.

You don't.

Ever.

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Reply #164 - Aug 14^th, 2012 at 5:17am

Yadda wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 2:38am:

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 10:03am:

freediver wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 8:18am:

Because I have seen how deluded you are about Abu's beliefs. It would be pretty hard to top that.

Lemme guess, because Spot's view does not mirrors yours? As your view is the ultimate truth right?

All others are just not asking enough questions, enough times in enough different ways, to be able to make up their own answers... right?

LOL

That is pretty rich, coming from a ['rightly guided'] moslem!

What is rich? Thats exactly what freediver has been saying.

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