Big Dave wrote on Aug 20^th, 2012 at 5:26am:


Shari'ah has not been implemented in any part of the world since the early 20th. century when it was abolished at the end of the Ottoman Caliphate.

And FYI, the countries with the highest crime rates (murders and other crimes) are mostly Christian-majority countries.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 20^th, 2012 at 7:15am:


Why was the Ottoman caliphate abolished abu, were they defeated and did Ataturk see that Islam was only holding them back?

Iran did not have sharia law prior to the Islamic revolution,The Shah made muslims trim their beards and outlawed Islamic clothing.
The Islamic republic of Iran has sharia law, they execute apostates and hang gays along with stoning to death for adultery.

Afghanistan did not have sharia law before the Taliban took over.
Apostates are executed, gays are executed,all the usual Islamic human rights abuses.

Aceh a part of Indonesia brought back stoning to death in 2009, great progress from Islam there eh Abu.
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abu_rashid wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 6:59pm:


Your comment on promoting and making propaganda for sharia implies to me that you will sneak it in any way you can so that comment indicates to me you will use deception rather than force.

Yes 2% of out population are muslims and many are already asking for sharia law even Ikebal Patel from the Australian federation of Islamic councils has asked for sharia law to be considered.

Did the hindu ever ask us to change any of our laws Abu?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 20^th, 2012 at 1:48pm:


Spoken like a true Islamic apologist there spot,
Executing people for leaving Islam is not a religious thing it is a civilisation thing
Executing gays is not a religious thing it is a civilisation thing.
Stoning to death for adultery has nothing to do with religion, it is a civilised thing.
Executing people for blasphemy is not a religious thing it is a civilised thing.

3 Saudis have joined the atheist forum in the last fortnight,we have ex muslim posters from Iraq,Iran,Turkey,Jordan,Indonesia even a Palestinian atheist  and they all say Islam is the problem.

http://www.atheistforums.com

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 20^th, 2012 at 2:47pm:



So what is a christian country spot?
Is a secular country that has separation of church and state along with no requirement for religion considered a christian country in your opinion?

A Saudi atheist on the atheist froum says his gay friend had his head chopped off for being gay,Mohammad was pretty clear on what to do with gays so how can you say religion is not the cause for the death penalty for homosexuality in Islam and it is just an excuse when every Islamic scholar says death is prescribed for homosexuality?

You claim to have lived in Malaysia yet seem ignorant of the fact deputy PM Anwar Ibrahim was jailed for sodomy.

The Saudis routinely execute people for witchcraft, The Saudi constitution does say Gods book and the sunnah of his prophet are the country's constitution.

If it is civilisation that prevents witch burnings and executing gays are you finally conceding that Islamic countries that have the death penalty for apostasy-blasphemy-adultery-homosexuality and witchcraft are uncivilised?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 20^th, 2012 at 3:40pm:


The American constitution says there is no official religion or any requirement for religion, there is no mention of god/jesus or satan in it or the bill of rights so explain to us all how they are christian and not secular?

I have never heard of gays being frightened of christians , apart from you.

Many muslim countries have many parts of sharia law in the governance of their countries Abu. Saudi Arabia is a prime example .Abu wants sharia for Australia. So basically all gay people would be as good as dead, women are second class citizens, people from other religons are second class citizens, religon is the centrepiece that government is built around. Australia would turn into a crap heap. Wake up! Sharia offers conflict and turmoil. Anybody who can't see that is drongo. I should calm down though because it will never happen and is a waste of time even thinking about. Everybody has a silly dream.

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Think about it Spot. We are trying to establish a functioning democracy. Muslims like Abu are fundamentally opposed to democracy, freedom etc, and will kill people to get their way. Ask him about it if you don't believe me. It matters a great deal. Both wars would be over by now if not for that. Afghanistan and Iraq would have a functioning democracy. Our soldiers would be back home. All the people, including non-Muslims, would be able to have a say in government. Both sides would be happy. The people who oppose that outcome are the ones who want the war to continue. It matters.

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Spot can you give any examples of Christian extremists who went to the lengths that the Taliban and Al Quaida are going to in order to block democracy, human rights etc? The reason you cannot is the fundamental difference between Islam and other religions. These people oppose to death what you loosely refer to as civilisation and have so far been successful in preventing it from happening in much of the middle east. It matters. It is absurdly hypocritical of you to insist that Christianity is the biggest threat to western civilisation then turn around and try to claim that religion is not the cause of the problems in the middle east. It is just another example of how you think it is more important to argue that religions are equal rather than that they are bad. You are the proverbial useful idiot when it comes to Islam. You are afraid to criticise Islam in case it makes other religions look good in comparison. You take it to the extreme of deliberately lying about Abu.

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And because the religion is fundamentally different to Islam in how it instructs them to handle the situation. Progessive social movements are almost universal across all religions, except Islam. No other religion calls it's followers to  establish a state the way Islam does. Abu will even tell you this himself, if you are prepared to face facts. There are plenty of things he would be willing to tell you, if you didn;t run and hide every time he started talking about Islam.

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Spot expects us to take his vague generalisations about religion more seriously, even though he is so obviously fooled by Abu.

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You still have not comprehended the difference here Spot. Islam is a militant political movement. You would feel like an idiot making this comparison between nazism and other religions, yet Islam has many parallels with Nazism that other religions do not. If you were capable of facing reality when it comes to Muslims you would have realised this by now, which is why I try so hard to get you to read what Abu actually posts rather than what you want him to post. Abu will willingly tell you a lot of this. He doesn't always spend pages and pages giving excuses for not answering like he did in this thread.

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Yes Spot. It was Christian countries and Christians themselves that lead the changes.