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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #255 - Aug 21^st, 2012 at 6:41am

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 20^th, 2012 at 8:20pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2012 at 8:02pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

I don't think anyone, least of all spot, is in any doubt that as a Muslim of course I'd love to see the entire world living according to Islam.

Abu, you posted this in your very first response in this thread. Do you really think Spot understands? Spot seems to think that you don't follow the Koran and that you don't want Shariah law for Australia.

The important thing fd is that Spot and I know both know what each other means. And we both know it's not what you mean, that is certain.

Spot says I don't follow the Qur'an, meaning I don't implement it on society, this is a statement of fact.

I say I am not intending to force it onto Australian society, this is also a statement of fact.

Everyone (from the normal humanoids anyway) is happy... build a bridge and get over it.

Yup. Exactly.

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #256 - Aug 21^st, 2012 at 6:49am

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No Abu. He means you don't follow the Koran, the same way you criticise Christians for not following the Bible.

No freediver i mean he doesnt implement it on society just like the xtians. Why do you think i keep saying the xtians are more of a threat? It says in the xtian book to stone gays and kill adulterers etc . . . .

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It is perfectly clear to me Abu. It is Spot I am trying to convince. If you don't mind, I may ask you again to make it even clearer, as he is not showing any signs of understanding yet, but I'll give him another chance first. Your earlier refusal to discuss it is what caused his confusion, so I blame you for it.

you seem to think that "understanding" = "agreement".

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #257 - Aug 21^st, 2012 at 8:09am

Abu, do you think that 'following the Koran' literally means extrajudicial killings of gays and apostates?

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

For the umpteenth time, yes I want shari'ah for the entire world, no I am not intending to force it onto any society. Can it be much clearer?

What do you think spot? Could he be any clearer? Do you still think he doesn't want Shariah law for Australia?

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #258 - Aug 21^st, 2012 at 5:49pm

freediver wrote on Aug 21^st, 2012 at 8:09am:

Abu, do you think that 'following the Koran' literally means extrajudicial killings of gays and apostates?

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

For the umpteenth time, yes I want shari'ah for the entire world, no I am not intending to force it onto any society. Can it be much clearer?

What do you think spot? Could he be any clearer? Do you still think he doesn't want Shariah law for Australia?

Abu wants to see women being stoned to death for changing their religion.

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia? Reply #260 - Aug 21^st, 2012 at 7:43pm Bobby. wrote on Aug 21^st, 2012 at 5:49pm: Abu wants to see women being stoned to death for changing their religion. And bobby wants to see women locked up in his cellar and tortured for shoplifting.
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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #261 - Aug 21^st, 2012 at 7:53pm

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 20^th, 2012 at 10:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20^th, 2012 at 9:19pm:

Take a chill pill Abu.
We are talking about adultery & apostasy.
These are religious crimes.

That's your take on it. To me, they're just crimes, like any other. I do not see any religious significance to them, anymore than having a law against murder or theft is a religious crime, because they exist in the ten commandments.

Really, what is and isn't a religious crime? Isn't this just an artificial distinction you're attempting to make, to try and rationalise your belief in certain acts being crimes, yet not others?

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20^th, 2012 at 9:19pm:

Apostasy is just changing your religion -
is that worthy of being buried up to your waste & stoned to death?

Islamic texts do not state "changing your religion", they state "Leaving your religion and abandoning the community" (ie. treason).

I've been accused several times on this very forum of being a treasonous traitor, merely for having changed my religion. Clearly it's not just Muslims who consider this to be a form of treason.

It's not 'merely' at all. It's because you are forever posting anti-Western propaganda.

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #262 - Aug 21^st, 2012 at 8:07pm

coolabu_rashid wrote on Aug 21^st, 2012 at 7:42pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2012 at 12:11am:

Try this Abu...IF Sharia law was introduced into Australia would you be:

a) Happy
b) Sad
c) Angry
d) Uncaring

Of course a.

Cool...so you DO want Shar'ia Law brought into Australia...despite all your talk of 'I can't do it' etc....

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #263 - Aug 21^st, 2012 at 8:57pm

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 21^st, 2012 at 7:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 21^st, 2012 at 5:49pm:

Abu wants to see women being stoned to death for changing their religion.

And bobby wants to see women locked up in his cellar and tortured for shoplifting.

No I don't.
Abu - when will you realise - in the west we don't want your
bronze age Sharia law.

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #264 - Aug 21^st, 2012 at 9:10pm

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 21^st, 2012 at 7:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 21^st, 2012 at 5:49pm:

Abu wants to see women being stoned to death for changing their religion.

And bobby wants to see women locked up in his cellar and tortured for shoplifting.

That is actually what you want isn't it Abu? Or are you saying you would not look?

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #265 - Aug 21^st, 2012 at 9:27pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2012 at 8:07pm:

Cool...so you DO want Shar'ia Law brought into Australia...despite all your talk of 'I can't do it' etc....

I want it for the entire world, not specifically Australia.

I think all mankind should live under the shade of Islam.

Just as I'm sure you'd like to see the entire world living under whatever ideals you consider to be the right ones.

That's not what fd is asking though, he's attempting to claim I am going to force it onto people or "introduce it by stealth" or some other nonsense.

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #266 - Aug 21^st, 2012 at 9:58pm

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 21^st, 2012 at 9:27pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2012 at 8:07pm:

Cool...so you DO want Shar'ia Law brought into Australia...despite all your talk of 'I can't do it' etc....

I want it for the entire world, not specifically Australia.

I think all mankind should live under the shade of Islam.

These poor bastards did live under the 'shade of Islam' until they got on the bus.

As many as 25 Shia Muslims have been forced out of a bus and killed in a sectarian attack in northern Pakistan, officials have told the BBC.The killings took place in a remote and mountainous area about 160km (100 miles) north of the capital Islamabad as the bus was travelling from the city of Rawalpindi to the city of Gilgit.

Wrong Islam. Or wrong shade.

Definitely the wrong bloody bus.

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #267 - Aug 21^st, 2012 at 10:03pm

Living under the 'shade of Islam' (excellent formulation. Almost as good as the 'dark cloud of Islam'):

Pakistan disabled girl arrested for blasphemy
Christians at a church service in minister Shahbaz Bhatti's family village of Khushk Pur in Punjab Christians argue they are often falsely accused of blasphemy

Pakistani police have arrested a mentally disabled 11-year-old girl after a mob accused her of desecrating pages of the Koran.

The mob demanded the Christian girl's arrest and threatened to burn down Christian homes outside the capital Islamabad, local media say.

Officials said the girl could not properly answer police questions.

Her parents have been taken into protective custody following threats and other Christian families have fled.

It is thought that the girl has Down's syndrome.

Paul Bhatti, Pakistan's minister for National Harmony, told the BBC that the girl was known to have a mental disorder and that it seemed "unlikely she purposefully desecrated the Koran".

"From the reports I have seen, she was found carrying a waste bag which also had pages of the Koran," he said.

"This infuriated some local people and a large crowd gathered to demand action against her. The police were initially reluctant to arrest her, but they came under a lot of pressure from a very large crowd, who were threatening to burn down Christian homes."

He said more than 600 people have fled from the Christian neighbourhood.

Rights activists have urged Pakistan to reform its controversial blasphemy laws, under which a person can be jailed for life for desecrating the Koran.

Many of those accused of blasphemy have been killed by violent mobs, while politicians who advocate a change in legislation have also been targeted.

Last year, Shahbaz Bhatti, the minister for minority affairs, was killed after calling for the repeal of the blasphemy law.

His death came just two months after the murder of Punjab Governor Salman Taseer, who also spoke out about the issue.

Who dares to to say that Islam is not a religion of peace? Who dares?

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #268 - Aug 21^st, 2012 at 10:06pm

Soren wrote on Aug 21^st, 2012 at 9:58pm:

These poor bastards did live under the 'shade of Islam' until they got on the bus.

As many as 25 Shia Muslims have been forced out of a bus and killed in a sectarian attack in northern Pakistan, officials have told the BBC.The killings took place in a remote and mountainous area about 160km (100 miles) north of the capital Islamabad as the bus was travelling from the city of Rawalpindi to the city of Gilgit.

Wrong Islam. Or wrong shade.

Definitely the wrong bloody bus.

They lived under America's little lapdog Pakistan. Pakistan is no more a Shari'ah state than the U.S is.

And do we really know why these individuals were killed? Sure the media tells us it's all about sectarian strife, where's the evidence of that?

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #269 - Aug 22^nd, 2012 at 6:13am

freediver wrote on Aug 21^st, 2012 at 8:09am:

Abu, do you think that 'following the Koran' literally means extrajudicial killings of gays and apostates?

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

For the umpteenth time, yes I want shari'ah for the entire world, no I am not intending to force it onto any society. Can it be much clearer?

What do you think spot? Could he be any clearer? Do you still think he doesn't want Shariah law for Australia?

You are joking. You havent understood a thing. You want to go around again? Nope. Go around yourself.

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