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Abu, when I ask whether you Shariah law for Australia, I am asking whether you want Shariah law for Australia. If you could stick what people actually say, rather than inventing your own version to respond to, you wouldn't confuse spot so much and 90% of the disagreements you see on this board would disappear.

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Do you think Shites should be stoned to death Abu?

Do you think Shites are apostates? I don't think you have ever answered this, even though I have asked plenty of times.

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It was spot who asked it this time. You did eventually realise you were responding to him rather than me. Have you forgotten again? His interest was genuine, as is his confusion.

I think you are deliberately adding to his confusion, first by reinforcing his obviously incorrect belief that you do not want Shariah law for Australia, and now by implying it is a 'fact' that you do not follow the Koran and that following the Koran equates to 'implementing it on society'. If it was anyone else you would be immediately pointing out that you do follow the Koran and what following the Koran means to you, but because spot's delusions reflect positively on Islam to most westerners you are reinforcing his delusions.

freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2012 at 8:23pm:


I do not think any vast group of people are apostates. Each one of them is judged according to their beliefs. Some Shi'a are apostates (just as some supposed Sunnis are) and some are not. I am certainly not the arbiter of their predicaments. I pray alongside Shi'a individuals on a daily basis, and never heard anything approaching apostasy from them, and until I did, then their position regarding apostasy does not even register to me.

No doubt you'll now try and wriggle around this, and post 20 other questions. Just accept the answer for what it is for once.

freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2012 at 8:23pm:


Seems you know what Spot thinks better than Spot does... this is something you try and pull off with everyone it seems. You know their minds better than them, and if you just bug them with enough questions, they'll eventually admit it... right? Fd, you're the biggest half-wit I've come across, I swear.

freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2012 at 8:23pm:


Nope... no hidden esoteric meaning, it just is what it is, I do not implement the Qur'an in all its entirety, as neither does any Muslim.

Can you just get over such simple facts like an adult for once? Spare us more of your infantile rants about how you know our minds better than us.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2012 at 9:54pm:



What condition?
That I repeat your nonsense?

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 21^st, 2012 at 10:06pm:



Do we have evidence for why Muslims kill other Muslims -other than what Muslims say?

And who is stupid enough to believe what Muslims say?  I'm with you on that one - taking Muslims at their word is both the correct thing and the Islamophobe thing to do.

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You talk about Shites being 'outside of Islam' all the time, and about them not being Muslims - especially when they do something nasty in the name of Islam. So obviously it does register with you when it is convenient.

Can you elaborate on what would make them an apostate? Falah also made a similar comment - that they would be OK so long as they did not utter 'the heresies'. This was in the context of the discussion with him about which western and shite leaders should face the death penalty. But he would not elaborate either. Is this something you are not allowed to talk about?

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One at a time will do Abu.

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I don't think anyone knows what spot thinks, not even spot.

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Here's a simple question that is actually relevant (ie not a strawman) - do you follow the Koran? Again, the answer seems obvious to me, though I have never asked directly. I only ask because spot thinks you don't and you are going out of your way to reinforce that.

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Abu I have plenty of quotes from you about killing apostates.

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Correct - I believe it says so in the Koran itself.
Abu can't get out of this one.
Luckily he's not a fundamentalist but a moderate.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 21^st, 2012 at 9:27pm:


You see FD - I actually understand what abu is saying. I dont agree with it because i am an atheist but i do understand it. What is bothering the xtians is the comparison because they are the same. Xtians want their religion and way of thinking for the entire world too. Atheists, not having a religion, mostly couldn't care less what others believe as long as they leave them/us alone. Who is leaving us alone? the muslims.

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Not does any xtian follow their bible in its entirety.

I actually would like to discuss this further with you one day Abu but im afraid its impossible in this environment. It looks like I am defending muslims vehemently but what I am actually railing against is the fear campaign of which FD is an obvious victim.

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You mean you cant grasp it.

SOB