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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #285 - Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 7:30am

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Abu I have plenty of quotes from you about killing apostates.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 12:20am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2012 at 11:52pm:

Correct - I believe it says so in the Koran itself.

Your beliefs are misguided.

Produce the supposed verse from the Qur'an stating this. When you realise you can't, please be a man and admit your beliefs are misguided.

No Abu - I want you to find it for me.
It's there somewhere.

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Reply #286 - Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 8:06am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 6:00am:

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 21^st, 2012 at 9:27pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2012 at 8:07pm:

Cool...so you DO want Shar'ia Law brought into Australia...despite all your talk of 'I can't do it' etc....

I want it for the entire world, not specifically Australia.

I think all mankind should live under the shade of Islam.

Just as I'm sure you'd like to see the entire world living under whatever ideals you consider to be the right ones.

That's not what fd is asking though, he's attempting to claim I am going to force it onto people or "introduce it by stealth" or some other nonsense.

You see FD - I actually understand what abu is saying.

Then demonstrate it for us. Do you still think he does not want Shariah law for Australia? Do you still think he does not follow the Koran?

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Who is leaving us alone? the muslims.

They are not leaving us alone. You are merely confusing impotence with benign intent again.

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It looks like I am defending muslims vehemently but what I am actually railing against is the fear campaign of which FD is an obvious victim.

I am just trying to get you to face facts spot. Whatever motives you attribute to other people are no excuse for lying. If you cannot acknowledge what Abu says you are in no position to judge threats, motives etc.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia? Reply #287 - Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 8:28am All seeing all knowing freediver doesnt understand so assigns his own meanings to what ppl say to make them work with his way of seeing things. SOB
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49400 At my desk.	Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia? Reply #288 - Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 8:34am These are pretty simple questions spot. You were more than happy to assign meanings earlier. Do you still think Abu does not want Shariah law for Australia? Do you still think Abu does not follow the Koran?
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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #289 - Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 8:44am

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 8:34am:

These are pretty simple questions spot. You were more than happy to assign meanings earlier.

Do you still think Abu does not want Shariah law for Australia?

Do you still think Abu does not follow the Koran?

That is answered a couple posts up. Are you really that dense you cant understand it? Abu answers it himself. Its right there.

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #290 - Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 12:18pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 6:00am:

I actually would like to discuss this further with you one day Abu but im afraid its impossible in this environment.

You welcome to private message me any time to discuss anything Spot.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 6:00am:

It looks like I am defending muslims vehemently but what I am actually railing against is the fear campaign of which FD is an obvious victim.

Much appreciated Spot. But don't feel you have to defend Islam, fd is not much of a worthy opponent in debate anyway, it's more like keeping a juvenile amused. And prior to Muslims being in this forum, he used to just carry on about other stuff. He pulls the same tactics with anyone he discusses with, he's notorious for it.

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Reply #292 - Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 12:21pm

I was asking what you think Spot. It has been obvious to everyone but you from the beginning. I want to know whether you can read what he says now or whether you are still projecting your 'average non-threatening muslim' onto Abu. Obviously I am not going to just assume you understand, given the 50 or more pages it took to get through to you.

Do you still think Abu does not want Shariah law for Australia?

Do you still think Abu does not follow the Koran?

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #293 - Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 10:41pm

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 7:30am:

No Abu - I want you to find it for me.
It's there somewhere.

No such passage exists in the Qur'an, so it'd be impossible for me to find it for you.

You are a liar and you are misinformed and misguided about Islam.

Islam is judged by the actions it gives rise to. Nobody trusts the words that come out of Islam.
Muslims' dishonesty towards non-Muslims in matters of Islam has been established centuries ago and you are not making any difference to that perception of dishonesty, whatsoever.

Not that you are trying to.

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #294 - Aug 24^th, 2012 at 6:03am

Soren wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 10:41pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 7:30am:

No Abu - I want you to find it for me.
It's there somewhere.

No such passage exists in the Qur'an, so it'd be impossible for me to find it for you.

You are a liar and you are misinformed and misguided about Islam.

Islam is judged by the actions it gives rise to. Nobody trusts the words that come out of Islam.
Muslims' dishonesty towards non-Muslims in matters of Islam has been established centuries ago and you are not making any difference to that perception of dishonesty, whatsoever.

Not that you are trying to.

ALL muslims are judged by a few - yes we know. . .

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #295 - Aug 24^th, 2012 at 7:37am

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 7:30am:

No Abu - I want you to find it for me.
It's there somewhere.

No such passage exists in the Qur'an, so it'd be impossible for me to find it for you.

You are a liar and you are misinformed and misguided about Islam.

Abu - we all know it's there but not in those exact words.
You're the liar.
The Koran condemns those who forsake their Islamic religion for another religion.

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #297 - Aug 24^th, 2012 at 8:11am

Soren wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 10:41pm:

Islam is judged by the actions it gives rise to. Nobody trusts the words that come out of Islam.
Muslims' dishonesty towards non-Muslims in matters of Islam has been established centuries ago and you are not making any difference to that perception of dishonesty, whatsoever.

Not that you are trying to.

Islam and Muslims have always been known specifically for their honesty. That's why some entire nations like Indonesia entered into Islam, was largely due to the honesty and upright character of the Muslim traders they encountered.

You can retrospectively try and re-write history if you like, but I think you know deep down you are distorting it for your own purposes.

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #298 - Aug 24^th, 2012 at 8:12am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 24^th, 2012 at 7:37am:

Abu - we all know it's there but not in those exact words.
You're the liar.
The Koran condemns those who forsake their Islamic religion for another religion.

It does not state it in those words, nor in other words.

Again I ask, if it exists, then please do produce it. Surely you could google it if such a passage did exist? Surely the anti-Islamic hate sites would have an abundance of references to it out there.

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #299 - Aug 24^th, 2012 at 8:15am

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2012 at 8:08am:

Abu why do you keep asking people to quote from the Koran?

I do? Or just people who actually make a claim about the contents of the Qur'an you mean?

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2012 at 8:08am:

You yourself have said quite clearly that the penalty for apostasy is death by stoning.

I don't believe I have. I believe as usual you are just concocting this garbage as you go.

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2012 at 8:08am:

Are you trying to create the impression that this is not the case, without actually saying it? Would it be lying if you actually said it?

I am doing nothing of the kind. All that's transpired here is bobby has claimed something is contained in the Qur'an, I've stated it is not. Nothing to do with what I believe at all.

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